Thoughts? 

Pretty much, yeah.

They occupy a similar space to Melody's Echo Chamber, in which - yes - there's a lot of psych and neo-psych in the sound, but there's just often just as much of a pop and indie sensibility, as well as an alt-rock slant. Still, great band! 

Edit: granted, Melody's Echo Chamber doesn't do the noise rock stuff, but yeah 

I've never been the biggest fan really. I've heard various bits from most of their career and they've always been extremely hit or miss for me. Mostly miss actually. But that's got little to no relevance in this context. To my ears TFL got an undeniable progressive edge to the Psychedelic Rock they make on the three albums I've heard by them in full (which is in fact Yoshimi, The Soft Bulletin and Embryonic). My favorite song by them is actually their stunning take on - or interpretation of Grateful Dead's live epic Dark Star. My only complaint is that it should have lasted much longer:

Admittedly I only listened to about one out of the thirty hours of "kraut/psych-on-steroids tracks" (which I was previously completly unaware of). What I've heard so far was progressive on another level than I already knew by them + quite intriguing and really awesome. I listened the most to the six hour long track though. If their earlier discography isn't enough (which I think it is), this undoubtly qualifies them for inclusion imo. Not only for Prog Related, but for Psychedelic/Space Rock - their natural place on PA... Actually skratch the imo part: Having heard 1/6th of Strobo Trip alone (I'm currently at 1:14, as I've been actively listening while I'm writing. Still amazing) objectively qualifies them for PA.

their side project electric wurms (steven and wayne)

even did a cover of "Heart of the Sunrise"

They covered the entire Court of the Crimson King, Dark Side of the Moon

and, c`mon isnt these albums more prog than 90% Inside Out/ K-Scope Bands:

Embryonic, The Terror, Zaireeka, Soft Bulletin, Yoshimi, American Head, Oszy Mlody, Kings Mouth, Clouds Taste Metallic ect ect ect ?!?!?!?

Seems the Americans can deceide what is or what is not prog

Always liked what I've heard of The Flaming Lips, but I've never associated them with prog rock. I'd catalog them under indie rock or pop rock, with some psychedelic influences. However, I may not know them good enough, so I'm on a learning curve. But the arguments that they are prog have to be better than this:

zeb1981 wrote: they are prog

This is a statement that you let follow by information that they, or a side project, covered prog music, which - honestly - doesn't say anything about their own music.

Then you state they are more prog than their label stablemates, of which non is present here in the PA database. So, more prog than zero prog doesn't say much either.

I'd be happy to be convinced... For the moment, I'm not.

Then why not XTC and Flaming Lips?

Let's not split hairs. Let this be THE place for progressive rock.

I love Progarchives but this needs fixing...

^ those bands are prog related and Flaming Lips is not

In fact i'd love to get rid of prog related altogether

It dilutes from the true prog experience

Talking Heads and Oingo Boingo shouldn't be here at all

Beatles, Sabbath are proto-prog

I've found nothing about Flaming Lips to warrant their inclusion

Experimental indie pop doesn't make prog

I'm not sure I have ever heard one of their songs, just wayyyyy too much other music to listen to....Aren't they some kind of pop music band??

Oh gosh, NO! They are anything but just a 'pop band'! They are very experimental, and for me, one of the best bands of the last 25+ years (and I am a die-hard prog fan from Genesis, Crimson, Gong, Canterbury, to Twelfth Night, Pendragon, IQ, Riverside, Lifesigns etc etc).

Seeing as you've never listened to anything from them, may I suggest, 'When We Die, When We're High', 'Mother Please Don't Be Sad' (Floydish vibe) and 'Brother Eye' from their latest 'American Head' album. Also, 'All We Have Is Now' and 'Approaching Pavonis Mons by Balloon (Utopia Planitia) from the 'Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots' album..... for starters... but then both albums are absolutely brilliant throughout :) 

(and like any great music, give 'em a few listens) 

If you do give them a shot, 'd be interested in your thoughts after listening to them.

cheers.

I'm currently listening to the songs posted on page 1. Yea for sure a ton of CAN influence (btw CAN fooking rulez in my book!!). But what I'm hearing is just a lot of psych music, which in itself is not progressive to me, at least not enough to be listed here as a prog band.

I'm not part of any team that makes these decisions, just my opinion. I'm not a big fan of psych music, I love Pink Floyd, but really don't care for Piper and Saucer much at all for example.

This 
 

Sorry, but your question sound more like a reproach than a "genuine" one. 

The rational answer is suggest the artist, see what happens. 

OK. 

Navigate the site a bit and the forum, get used to it all. 

And I really didn't expect people to accuse me of complaining- or people to diss me for being a long term member and not having their level of site knowledge either! I expected it to be a site where fellow prog fans are cordial, helpful and don't judge people without any real reason to do so. 

So I asked a legitimate question and don't have adequate site knowledge.... does that really mean I should be subjected to flippant comments?

Oingo should not be here, that's for sure. However, there area few  other bands who don't belong before I'd go excluding Talking Heads, though.
 

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I find it amusing, people in here call them POP, well, dont lie, you have only heard "Do you Realize" or another song by them over-played. Thats like saying ELP isnt PROG at all based on ANY Greg Lake ballad.....

DO yer research before posting comments !

I second this. 

I'm pleased to report that Lips side-project https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12610" rel="nofollow -

GREAT to see so many people who have actually listened to the band agree they are one of the most important prog/psych/avant garde band of the last 20+ years. They have AT LEAST 5-6 albums that easily qualify for several sub-genres on prog archives. It's a big miss to not have them listed. 

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^ It's not one EP, but 30 hours of music! I've listened to the Strobo Trip EP's 6 Hour Song / I Found a Star on the Ground in full (but not the full 24 hour long). Have you? That's about eight-nine albums (in length) material in one (out of the two) release, and my favorite six hours of music I've heard by the band. 360 minutes of fully fledged, brainmelting Psych/Spacerock (which we label Krautrock if it's from Germany) which alone more than qualifies. Your personal take on a lot of Krautrock (and other genres) as not prog or whatever - is too subjective or just non-representative and shouldn't be taken into consideration imo.

SteveG wrote: Embryonic and The Terror are pure prog to me. The rest is power pop.

People write the strangest things here. What on earth does the rest of The Flaming Lips discography have in common with Cheap Trick, Big Star and The Rasberries?

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I'd vote for The Flaming Lips under Prog Related too, on the grounds that the closely-related band Mercury Rev are already here under Prog Related - not that my vote counts for anything here. 

Do You Realize The Flaming Lips have been suggested for inclusion here more than any other band? 

-I asked if you had listened to the 6 hour long track. You can listen to as little as you like, but you're not entitled to an opinion to what you haven't listened to.

^ I only discuss a band at a time and never claimed that any genre or category should be «all inclusive». That would be weird. Just as weird as some of the takes you have on Krautrock, Postrock and some of the bands that are already represented here - in those sub genres.

-There's similar genre-labeling on RYM in regards in regards to many bands/artists that are also on PA - and which I think have a natural place here. There was no need to copy and paste those tags, as I've already seen them. As long as you don't listen I'm not interested in your uninformed opinion. Obviously.

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Interesting, I would think someone like Funkadelic would be suggested more..

siLLy puPPy wrote: Believe it or not, everyone is not aware of RYM.

You brought RYM into this discussion. I didn't

siLLy puPPy wrote: I heard you loud and clear and i disagree with you.

But you can't disagree if you don't know what you are discussing. You're opinion is invalid.

It's all getting a bit unnecessarily heated so I have an idea. How about they just get added to the database :) There is clearly A LOT of support for them being here. Crossover, related or whatever label is most appropriate. 

Logan wrote: I may be missing context, but the quoting plus code appears a little muddled, but just a point, while what is deemed Krautrock from Germany may not be considered Prog, when its listed as an element in terms of style/genre and/or influence for (thinking particularly about ones not in Germany), I don't know of cases where that does not refer to the kinds of music we consider Krautrock at PA. Bands like Can, Neu!, Harmonia, Cluster, Kraftwerk, Faust.... Non-German bands that often get the Kraut label (either partially or primarily) but aren't progressive include Portishead, Stereolab, The Oscillation, The Dwarfs of East Agouza, Gnod, Föllakzoid, Nisennenmondai, Gnoomes, Eternal Tapestry, Soccer96, Cave, 10 000 Russos, Death In Vegas, Lüger, 退格 Backspace, Jacco Gardner, Zombie Zombie, K-X-P, Les Big Byrd, Turzi, LNZNDRF, Moon Relay, Pharaoh Overlord, Dvanov, Kungens män, Karstof, Veik, Hyperculte, Flowers Must Die, Flaurel, Sei Still, Brokenchord etc. I could go on with hundreds of more artists. Why are these artists NOT progressive? Because they utilize basic electronic dance music, punk, pop and other non-prog genres such as country as the main musical flavor and then they embellish it with secondary sound effects that are inspired by 70s German Krautrock. I could add hundreds of post-punk bands from the 70s on that alone simply added kraut aspects to punk and called it post-punk. It has been long established on this site that post-punk that simply adds kraut ingredients isn't progressive enough to be on this site. The music itself that forms the basis HAS to be progressive as in the case of Cardiacs. In fact i know very few outside of this site who would even consider Can, Neu! or Faust to be prog. They are more often thought of as experimental rock. Progressive Kraut would be Amon Duul II, Kraan, Popol Vuh, Between etc. But because they were an essential part of the original scene i'm OK with them here but i don't extend that sentiment to newer bands. As for an album with the primary tags of neo-psychedelia, experimental rock, experimental, post-rock and secondary tags being krautrock, ambient, noise rock, jam band, spoken word, noise, drone, post-rock, electronic, space rock revival, psychedelic rock, not only does that scream that I should listen to the album based on my interests, but that it might well be considerable for Prog Archives addition. Definitely worth investigating but it's a case by case basis. I tend to reject bands that are primarily pop or monotonous droning with absolutely nothing else going on. The category wasn't designed to be comprehensive. It was designed to highlight the 70s German scene and extremely worthy candidates that followed. We have two yes votes for the Flaming Lips in Prog Related now, by the way. That's where i see them fitting in best here but crossover would work for me too. If this was a paid gig i'd certainly check out the six hour EP that everyone loves so much. Reactions to The Flaming Lips have been kind of weird and I think quite ignorant since I have seen at the time of Embryonic being released that The Flaming Lips has "nothing" to do with Prog. Nothing? Really? No relations whatsoever? That's actually my favorite album by the F.L. It definitely has minor prog creds but it is still based in a neo-psychedelia / noise pop song structure. Neo-psychedelia is applied to tons of pop bands with psychedelic overtones such as Ween, Animal Collective, Spiritualized, XTC, Panda Bear, Tame Impala, Beach House, MGMT, of Montreal, Beck, Deerhunter, Mazzy Star etc. The term alone says nothing about the main musical ingredients but rather the frosting that is applied to an already baked cake. Many of these bands i love the hell outa but do i want them to be on PA? Hell no! Bands like Mercury Rev who are here actually have prog elements including post-rock. And yes i like M.R. too! There is a murky middle ground where pop slowly cedes into prog. Where any particular person draws the line is subjective. There are many bands that fall into this arena. The Grateful Dead has been mentioned many times. I vote we are a bit conservative in the PSIKE world and limit newer candidates to either obvious prog or clear and irrefutable connections to the farthest out trips of the original 70s German scene. PS Mercury Rev is cool.

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Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: The Flaming Lips now have the requisite 3 yes votes from the admins so will be added to the database under Prog Related.

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Yeaaaah!!! :) What a great start to 2024! 'Do you realize' how happy you've made me? ;)

I was immediately told no, and the thread closed, on the basis that they had already been reviewed many years prior, i.e. before these albums were released.

Nice to see on a different day the random pot luck of an admin works in our favour ;-)

Surprising addition.

I'm copasetic with that. 

Meanwhile, the rest of us are getting our dictionaries out. 

Why isn't Hunter S Thompson considered a children's book author?

Nice The Prisoner reference in your status, by the way!

Can't argue with that