What band should be in PA?
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Topic: What band should be in PA?
Posted By: Boi_da_boi_124
Subject: What band should be in PA?
Date Posted: May 23 2023 at 20:13
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What prog-related, prog-esque, or overlooked prog bands/artists should have a place in PA? My picks: John Coltrane(Jazz/Rock Fusion) Gary Numan(Prog-Related) Grateful Dead(Psychedelic/Space Rock or Prog-Related) |
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 23 2023 at 20:48
| The Grateful Dead, The Tubes and XTC. GD for space/psych and the others for prog related or crossover. It won't happen for any of them though. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 23 2023 at 21:55
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Beach Boys ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 23 2023 at 22:25
Two and three absolutely. But when did ever Coltrane fuse his jazz with anything rock? Well, I know his music more than well enough to answer that myself: Never. -While Miles took notes and listened to what his younger bandmembers and girlfriends were into (around the time of Coltrane's untimely passing) and added funk & rock grooves into his gradually more electrified jazz. -Post his 1965-album A Love Supreme, Coltrane spent the two last years of his life going even further out into the spiritual side of avant-garde/free jazz. Always sticking to the acoustic standard jazz "instrument park". The story of jazzfusion had hardly begun in 1967. And while he (as many of the 1960's jazz greats) inspired many outside of the jazz field, he's merely a footnote in the "makings of" this particular story.
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Boi_da_boi_124 wrote:Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 23 2023 at 22:38
Yes, after I've finally gotten around to dig into their music post Pet Sounds (which by all means is relevant in this context, but I was never the biggest fan), I now understand what all the fuzz is about. I kind of love them by now. Apart from their near-masterpiece Surf's Up, I find most of their albums to be quite patchy. But I could say the same about The Beatles really. And Beach Boys feels just as relevant for Prog-Related as them.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 00:31
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Only a personal opinion: DEVO - influential to some Avant bands like Cardiacs IMO ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 04:52
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Pere Ubu ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 05:29
Seconded . . . ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 05:35
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Chick Corea for his solo work. Yes RTF and Elektric Band are in PA. However, if Davis, Shorter, and Hancock have a place on PA so should Chick. Oh, and Freak Kitchen also. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 05:50
Quicksilver Messenger Service. Changó ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 05:52
Progressive and psychedelic Jazz, maybe?   One could say that McCoy Tyner could have some rock in his 70's album. Ditto for Alice.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 05:53
| The Martin Barre Band. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 06:23
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Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 06:28
| I've often wondered why Angel is not represented on this site. Based on their first two albums, I would think they'd have a place here somewhere. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 07:03
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I thought you were going to feature Edward (The Mad Shirt Grinder) Nicky Hopkins brought quite a progressive slant to the original quartet.
Albums like What About Me and Comin' Thru are also fairly proggy at times... and their best-known album Happy Trails is probably the least "proggy" - though even Maiden Moon & Calvary are quite interesting (as in something else but Diddley-jamming) And QMS have got the best series of album artwork  =============== I'd also like to see Paul Kantner's three albums (Empires Strikes Back, Sun Fighter and Baron Von Tollbooth & The Chrome Nun) with Grace Slick (and Freiberg) on PA, someday . That's about as prog as Jefferson Airplane got (instead of Hot Tune) Grace Slick's first two solo albums are really good and proggy (Man Hole is awesome, Dreams is still good) . .
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Boi_da_boi_124
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 08:44
| I personally never cared for The Beach Boys but they do definitely deserve a spot in PA. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 10:08
Great suggestions by everyone.  I'd like to see Paul Kantner (Baron von Tollbooth) and Grace Slick (The Chrome Nun) on Prog Archives too, alongside Jefferson Starship and Quicksilver Messenger Service - in my Dreams!
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 10:37
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Avalon Rising. Not well known but definitely Prog Folk. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 10:52
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These two ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 11:10
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Action. A German band with only one self-titled album released in 1972. Green Cathedral. A US band with singer Lynnette Shelley of The Red Masque with one album ("Winter's Veil") released in 2017.   -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 11:38
That album was added to the Jefferson Airplane site. I agree that's a great album and better than most JA albums proper. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32524" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32524 -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 11:50
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Chetarca ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 11:56
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OMG....just put them all in so these threads can be closed once and for all......Then we can start seeing threads of bands that should be kicked out of PA. -------------   
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Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 11:58
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Boris Boris Ichiko Aoba Boris |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 12:00
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Pere Ubu Boards Of Canada Firefly Burning Pixvae Stolen Babies Us, Today ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 13:14
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I feel bad saying “should be” because I could have pushed for these to be included, but I figure if it was “meant to be”, then discussion would have gone the right way, people would have been convinced, and they would have been added. Sometimes it comes to suggesting at the right time, and definitely making the right arguments to the right people, suggesting the right material and suggesting to the right category. Some of these have been suggested and I very much supported but discussion just didn't develop and in the case of Stereolab, I have at length at various times expressed my concern about the addition. When another favourite of mine, Pram, was included (perhaps in part due to my enthusiasm for the act) which I also expressed concerns about including despite putting it in the greater Prog spectrum myself, I then knew that Stereolab might be more seriously considered. Some of these it's mostly for one album. So rather than saying these SHOULD be in PA, I consider all of these to be on the Prog spectrum or on the edge of the Prog spectrum (some much more peripheral than others and it sows depend on the release). The Quicksilver Messenger Service Niechęć Phew Fishmans (for Long Season) Natural Snow Building (listen to Daughters of Darkness) Boards of Canada Chelsea Wolfe Extradition Exuma Yo La Tenga Nina Hagen Band (Naturtrane is so great) Bruno Pernadas Pere Ubu The Velvet Underground Nico Lula Côrtes e Zé Ramalho (for Paêbirú) Egisto Macchi Ennio Morricone Janko Niiloivic Stereolab Xiu Xiu Aphex Twin Jarboe Broadcast Flaming Lips Donovan Donald Byrd for Electric Byrd on JRF (I along with the Byrd down for even suggesting this many years ago by someone who “discovered” it years later. Weird. But the Sun Ra for Languidity etc. Nick Drake (enough of a Prog folk relation imo) Air (for 10, OO HZ Legends especially) Portishead (kind of, Third has a Krautrock influence). Cream (as Proto Prog- a much more controversial one than most that I have suggested, and spent along time arguing for this) The Necks Uboa Dr John, The Night Tripper (Gris-Gris – suggest to fans of Beefheart) So many more.... Please excuse me if I made mistakes and some of these are in PA already. I will evaluate things (music and arguments) for Prog Related and Proto-Prog, and take that duty seriously, but on a more personal level, I generally ceased to care what is or isn't included in PA many years ago (something to consider for my own personal and shared lists). So much of what I like is on the periphery of Prog and so much that is art and progressive music I love, I don't consider to be Prog ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 15:34
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The Velvet Underground (for the invention of Art Rock - Proto Prog) Machine (I suggested them some 12 years ago for Crossover or Eclectic; maybe Heavy would be better) ------------- 
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Posted By: VultureCulture07
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 16:08
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Trillion, cause why not. A pretty solid American Heavy Prog band. Reminds the listener of New England and they are on this site. ------------- https://llamakoifish.wixsite.com/goosestavsrecordrevi" rel="nofollow - My Link I make content here... Sometimes |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 17:51
How about the Residents. 
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 17:51
They are already in PA, but not as The Martin Barre Band....just as Martin Barre http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9456" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9456
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 17:53
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While I'm here..... LIVING COLOUR!!!!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 24 2023 at 23:52
Hey
I agree with all the names I know here - which is about 90% of them.
Some feel more obvious than others, but that's beside the point. I'd add http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130791" rel="nofollow - RACHEL'S ! and
based on the rules for inclusion these qualify with several albums.
Although some of them are - like Morricone and Byrd etc... more known
for non-prog: These legends of jazz all dabbled in elecrified fusion on at least one album - many of them more - during the 1970's: Sun Ra Herbie Mann Ahmad Jamal Bobby Hutcherson Yusef Lateef Barney Wilen Jeremy Steig (for most of his career, really) Don Cherry George Benson Chico Hamilton (he also made his own kind of jazz rock fusion as early as in 1964-1965-1966) (the already mentioned) Pharoah Sanders -also some no-brainers for jazz rock fusion: Azteca Baird Hersey and the Year of the Ear Blue Morning The Bridge Band X (no not a spelling mistake, Band X) Bazaar (Indo/Raga) Casiopea The Dave Pike Set Farlocco The Fourth Way The Full Moon Band (just prog or prog folk really) Gabor Szabo (also essential for those Chico Hamilton records) Hans Dulfer The Headhunters Heavy Joker ... oh god. I'm only at H in the alphabet...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 02:31
Or maybe suggest some of these bands, see what happens, and not just complain of their absence on PA. If suggested, some of them will be cleared and added. But still, they have to be suggested for evaluation.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 02:33
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There is a lot of stuff that I like that isn't here that would be interesting to see reviewed. I would put a shout out for Love as fronted by the brilliant Arthur Lee. Forever Changes is a classic album and very influential. What about punk bands? The Stranglers are talked about a lot and were as progressive as any band around that time imo.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 02:35
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 02:39
ok, my bad then. You can still create discussion around these bands, post some listening links, some of them might end up under evaluation.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 02:55
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 03:05
Just try again, it works most of the time. I get weird messages as well
 , doing everything again works fine, I've never had a problem posting a link, a video maybe, but second time attempt always works. |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 06:39
Here's a little something: |
Posted By: Matte
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 07:54
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Alice Cooper The band "Alice Cooper" started with two psychedelic albums, "Pretties for You" and "Easy Action".
Then they released "Love it to Death", "Killer", "Schools Out", "Billion Dollar Babies" and "Muscle of Love" where all styles of music were allowed; Garage rock, pop, ballads, musical, rock, hard rock, progressive rock and a variety of other music styles. Nothing was off limits and all instruments were allowed.
Starting with "Welcome to my Nightmare", Alice Cooper was no longer the name of the band but of the artist. But he continued to release records that had a concept and a great musical variety.
When the 80s came, the progressive elements largely disappeared and the music became more streamlined (apart from, for example, the record "Dada" which was a return to the 70s style).
But considering AC's influence on the theatrical, conceptual and unpredictable in music, it goes without saying that they/he should have a place here on the progarchives.
If bands like Budgie, Triumph and Journey fit in here, AC has to too, I think.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 08:15
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^ Yeah, I second Alice Cooper. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 09:32
I guess you didn't read my emoticons, did you? Wasn't being serious (even if Alice is included in Carlos S' solo entry). Yeah, Pharoah as well. Sonny Liston Smith and a few more... I you want some really cool Tyner album with fusion nearing jazz-rock, then I'd suggest albums between 72 and 77 Sahara, Extensions Song For My Lady Song For The New World Atlantis Fly With The Wind Focal Point ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 09:32
All these three bands are under prog-related. If you think Alice Cooper deserves to be under prog-related, just make a strong case for it, that's all. |
Posted By: rik wilson
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 13:15
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I suggest adding: New York Rock Ensemble Illusion ( from Baltimore) Goodthunder Stories (Traveling Underground) Sensational Alex Harvey Band ( Impossible Dream) Ursa Major Donovan Small Faces (Ogden's Nut Gone Flake)
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 13:20
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Mercyful Fate & King Diamond! ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 17:39
| Did anyone mention PIL yet? |
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: May 25 2023 at 22:40
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Boston. I'd say definitely more prog-related, in most of aspects, than bands such as Journey or Supertramp (which I like anyway). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trevorrabin/?chartstyle=basic10" rel="nofollow">  <a href="http://steveer.ic.cz" rel="nofollow" |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 26 2023 at 01:46
I'dd like to see Goddo as Prog Related 
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 26 2023 at 02:16
I did, and I read them as you weren't serious about your John
Coltrane genre-suggestions. Not that you were joking about McCoy Tyner
and Alice Coltrane as well.
I
own them all actually. All pretty incredible. McCoy's got the strongest
1970's discography in jazz that I'm aware of. When I listen to them,
it's sort of easy to hear that they're 70's and not 60's jazz. So
although he sticks to to a "purer" for of jazz, there's something about
the spirited energy and drive that resembles his jazz rock fusion
contemporaries. I could also add some personal favorites: Expansions Time For Tyner Sama Layuca Asante Enlightenment (live) Horizon
(from 1980. Perhaps the closest he got ever got to progressive/fusion.
The added violinist John Blake that makes me think of Magma at times. -and Cosmos, which is basically Asante + an album worth of extra material... -I find every single album listed here more interesting and thrilling than his "hit-album" The Real McCoy. It you haven't heard this one yet, you're in for a treat: |
Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: May 26 2023 at 06:46
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The Stranglers The Tubes XTC Tuxedomoon
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Posted By: Wuthering
Date Posted: May 26 2023 at 08:29
| Recently departed keyboard maestro Don Shinn (influence on both Keith Emerson and Jon Lord), brought out two great jazz fusion albums in 1969 (Temples with Prophets and Departures) and carried on as a 'keyboard for hire' in both prog and non-prog projects. Don was also known for 'keyboard abuse', as was Keith. |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: May 26 2023 at 15:19
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XTC !!! ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: May 26 2023 at 15:44
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This is reputedly the proggiest Alice Cooper: |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 00:43
| I assumed XTC were already on PA! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 04:04
MMMhhhh!!!... I still have that Horizons album in vinyl Not a big fan of Layuca (too Latino for me, if memory serves) Love Asante's expanded edition too And yes, I find Real McCoy somewhat lesser than all those 70's albums. . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 04:16
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Greatful Dead isnt on PA? I'm surprised. Not even on Proto-prog or Prog-related? ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 07:41
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Fleet Foxes - songs like Third of May/Odaigahara pretty cool better then new Yes 😁🎶😏
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 07:53
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^The new benchmark for determining whether a band should be on PA: "Are they cooler than the new Yes?"
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 08:01
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 08:42
That would include nearly any band -lyrically you can’t get much more insipid 😝
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 09:32
Posted By: Boi_da_boi_124
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 12:26
| I have been listening to Alice Coltrane's solo stuff, and it isn't isn't the most rocky, but her spirituality exhibited in her music is progressive enough to earn her a place in 'Jazz-Rock Fusion'. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 27 2023 at 22:21
Should have said better - when I see reviewers giving 4 stars to this new album - the same amount of stars as Fragile or Ctte or Relayer or even more than Tales or GFTO I must say stop the insanity - this is a bad joke. Or a review on a learning curve- or the new benchmark- give them a trophy for still making music.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 01:25
If my memory is not misguiding me, they were ... long ago. -------------
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 01:31
True, TYE and CTTE are 9 star albums then.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 02:05
The same can be said of McCoy Tyner, Pharoah Sanders & Lonnie Listen Smith's respective œuvres. Revisionism now has them all coined as "spiritual jazz" - a term that was never used (not even created) back then. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 06:16
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Loreena McKennitt |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 06:25
Really? Then why were they removed?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 06:30
I don't remember XTC being on PA.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 06:31
Not likely they were once in. According to M@X, it's extremely difficult to remove a band once they're in TMK, only this doom-metal band singing in Latin was removed. (forgot its name) ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 06:33
I remember Sonata Arctica was briefly on PA. Also removed.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 07:03
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Hi, Until such a time as the definition of "progressive music" is better defined with substantial thoughts and ideas instead of fan defined preferences (guitar solo ... blue guitar ... spinning organ ... must have keyboards thing ... etc) ... then the music will not go very far beyond just another song in the FM lists ... though they will never play APP, TFTO, CTTE or some things that are a far better definition of the genre, than the bizarre, non-educated current definition ... not that you have a degree in music (they would mostly vote it all down as street crap anyway ... and college music departments still do!), but a clear understanding of the music, and WHERE/HOW it comes about ... something that the current definition ignores and thinks that lyrics about Greek Myths are good fire for your bbq! Honestly, I find The Grateful Dead not being listed sad. They don't fit the mold but they started something that fit ... the long cuts, which Europe took to right away, since they had a history of classical music, a lot of the better known pieces being long cuts and symphonies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Golden Earring did a long version of a Byrds song in the same vein, and Keith (instead) decided that classical music was more important for his two major groups. We can't even give him credit for composition, and think of TARKUS as just another song, because of the bad definition, when the score (in DD's hands) and fingers (Rachel's) show something that not even Rick Wakeman has done right, sticking instead to different themes on different instruments as an "example" of what "progressive " is which helped define the stupid idea of "keyboards" (instead of keyboard) as some sort of standard for what progressive had to be.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 07:15
what bad definition are you talking about? Because if you don't tell us, all you wrote here makes little sense. Some people love to complain what bands/artists are missing from PA. Have they suggested any artist/band. probably not, but it's fun to complain I guess.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 28 2023 at 13:10
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 29 2023 at 13:04
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As some have mentioned.....XTC, and probably solo Chick Corea and Quicksilver. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 29 2023 at 13:54
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XTC
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 29 2023 at 16:02
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Einstürzende Neubauten. (And I, as well, do find it incomprehensible that the Grateful Dead are not prog related.) |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 29 2023 at 16:36
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Alice Cooper, if only for this single song: ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: fredyair
Date Posted: May 29 2023 at 21:38
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The french duo Air. A interesting mix of ambient, electronic, avant-garde, prog, rock, pop, all at once. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csxOgTlq8e0&list=PLUEMihO9lT79Rl5DlaHtUt0KHEkyCwerX ------------- Long live Progresive music! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 01:57
Must have been something erroneous 'tween my ears. A bit of factchecking led me to http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40260" rel="nofollow - this thread .
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 02:08
Make a case for prog-related. I see this band is appreciated and beloved by many.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 05:53
Don't get me wrong, I like me some Bossa Nova and I'm the artisan for Carlos Santana's presence on PA, etc.... I should really relisten to Layuca, cause I'm not that sure abiout the Latino thing anymore... it's been decades since last listen. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 06:28
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What bands should not be in PA is probably a better question. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 06:30
start a thread , or maybe not...joke aside, there are a few bands that if suggested today, would not make it on PA. For example Rhapsody and all its incarnations.
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Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 09:42
| Current 93 |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 13:31
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Current 93 is in PA. That 90s run of Thunder Perfect Mind, Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre, All the Pretty Little Horses, and Horsey are all in my collection and I think great. Thunder Perfect Mind is my personal favourite. I still have not heard a lot of Current 93. If a City Is Set Upon a Hill was a fine album from last year. Erm, unless you are responding to the two posts just before yours and you think Current 93 should not be included in The Prog archive. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: altered_beast
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 19:25
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Tears for Fears (Prog Related) My favorite Progressive Pop act of all time. Their debut album “The Hurting” has a lot of hints of King Crimson influences. Has plenty of complex and artistic moments and an interesting concept album. “Seeds of Love“ is mostly a Jazz Rock album. Reminds me a bit of Steely Dan at times but more Progressive sounding. “Songs from the Big Chair” is their commercially successful album. Always surprises me just how good it is when listening to it again. Quite a few experimental moments and some Jazzy moments. “The Tipping Point” was my favorite album last year. And Prog Report raved over it. Yes it always stirs controversy when this band is mentioned in Prog Archives. Mixing Pop with Prog can be polarizing to some people. I always wondered if Talk Talk would have ever changed their sound if it were not for Tears for Fears and the high standard they set. I always liked them more than 10cc, ELO, and Supertramp. Yes even more than Roxy Music which is an enormous compliment. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 30 2023 at 20:50
| ^ always think that alongside Tears for Fears and Talk Talk that China Crisis also deserve a mention. The big 3 of 80's creative pop music perhaps. They were never heavy enough for my taste although the 80's was primarily a synthetic decade when it came to commercially successful bands. Then Guns N Roses came along... |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 10:54
Mark Hollis (and his group) were estranged by their own sound from the get go. Their change of sound was completely their own. Or rather they changed their sound before their debut, and gradually got back to what they initially had set themselves out for. Hollis was fascinated by the use of silence, and John Coltrane, Miles Davis (with Gil Evans in particular) and composers such as John Cage. He never wanted his pop stardom. This is from an unpublished 1984-inteview with Mark Hollis (around the time when It's My Life was just released): Alright. Talk Talk. Did it use to be a guitar-less band? MH: Yes. That’s right. With just three of you? MH: Yeah. it was just vocals, keyboards, bass, and drums. Why the change? MH: Well, you see the original premise for that was–I’m sure you won’t see a direct comparison–but you know like with John Coltrane, when he’s in his quartet? Uh-huh. MH: That was the initial idea for that actual lineup, so that it was like, you know, a bass that could be sort of melodic at some points and could be rhythmic at other points. And then keyboards and drums and the vocals to actually state the melody. The other thing about it, you see, was, being a lineup like that it was an easy one to actually increase upon because it immediately made everything sort of keyboard-orientated. -a little further out in the interview they start talking about his older brother Ed Hollis... MH: So maybe when I was ten he started playing me Traffic stuff, you know, and the Doors and all that sort of thing, the Floyd and everything. And then he’d say ‘Well, start listening to this,’ and it would be all this early blues stuff like Howlin’ Wolf and that, early Hooker and stuff. It’s nice to have someone turn you on to that stuff. MH: Then he’d sort of go, ‘Well, now start listening to this,’ and it’d be like Coltrane and Ornette Coleman, you know, and then he’d go ‘Listen to this’ and it’d be like Carl Orff and, you know, Shostakovich. People who were sort of quite intense. This has just been like that all the way down the line, you know. You could say he’s like a mentor to me in a way ‘cause he’s just always trying to give me new ideas in terms of things I should be listening to basically. Btw: I love Tears For Fears, but I don't think Talk Talk were looking for inspiration from their contemporaries.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 11:08
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^ Is the full interview available somewhere? |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 11:20
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 16:43
I get "server not found" unfortunately. But I could repair it. It's https://earofnewt.com/2022/02/04/its-my-life-and-its-my-unpublished-1984-interview-with-mark-hollis-of-talk-talk/" rel="nofollow - https://earofnewt.com/2022/02/04/its-my-life-and-its-my-unpublished-1984-interview-with-mark-hollis-of-talk-talk/ There was a colon missing in your link. Thanks anyway, nice read!
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Posted By: altered_beast
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 20:38
| Agreed. Along with XTC, China Crisis was also next on my mind for 80’s Prog-Pop not on Prog Archives. China Crisis was amazing. And it got even more interesting when former Steely Dans Walter Becker joined on keyboards. Both Tears for Fears and China Crisis have been played on Progressive Rock radio stations that I have listened to. I also like early albums from OMD and Simple Minds but unfortunately they didn’t stay the way they started with Prog influences and strong experimental elements going much more commercial. |
Posted By: altered_beast
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 20:43
| That’s what I love about Talk Talk. I’m really into a lot of Jazz and have been for decades. The Jazz influences really stand out. They incorporate Jazz influences in a way that reminds me of Pink Floyd at times. Trying to interpret improvisation and sound from using different instruments. Brass to electric. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 31 2023 at 23:43
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 01 2023 at 03:15
You may not be the only one... I just spotted that in a side remark in the Springsteen thread Greg told Lorenzo "you missed a colon"... Probably worth an entry in the bugs and issue thread or however it's called.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: June 01 2023 at 09:52
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Two very important argentinian bands from the 70's that should be here: -Pescado Rabioso with the great Luis Alberto Spinetta. The 1973 album "Artaud" is a milestone in latinamerican prog. -Color Humano, lead by Edelmiro Molinari (ex Almendra). ------------- 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 01 2023 at 10:01
Have they ever been suggested? If not, here's your chance.
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: June 01 2023 at 12:29
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^ I think I stumbled once on a very old thread suggesting Pescado. Here's a classic mini-suite from their last album, Artaud. Kind of "electro-acoustic" prog: |
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: June 01 2023 at 19:40
Yeah, honestly, a lot of power/symphonic metal bands wouldn't make it if they were suggested today ------------- Take me down, to the underground Won't you take me down, to the underground Why oh why, there is no light And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd |