The Big Three of pre-'80s Hard Rock / Heavy Metal
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Topic: The Big Three of pre-'80s Hard Rock / Heavy Metal
Posted By: David_D
Subject: The Big Three of pre-'80s Hard Rock / Heavy Metal
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:28
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The Big Three of the pre-'80s Hard Rock / Heavy Metal? That would in my view, and alphabetical order, definitely be Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin, but anyway, what are your favourite pre-'80s albums of theirs? My are (in chronological order): Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Master of Reality - Vol. 4 Deep Purple - Deep Purple - In Rock - Fireball - Made in Japan Led Zeppelin - II - IV - Houses of the Holy ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:30
| what about making it Big 4 and have Uriah Heep in here as well? |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:37
The same, with Uriah Heep making it a Big 4, and possibly Jethro Tull, who were voted the best Heavy Metal band - beating Metallica - at the Grammy Awards. 
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:39
no thanks ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Cristi wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:43
because Uriah Heep is not a relevant band for early heavy music, or why?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:50
quality over quantity  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 08:55
that's not even funny. Uriah Heep is one of the best bands around, having released essential albums in every decade since their inception in 1969-70, still making great music even today, in fact they released an album this year. I can't believe you belittle them in this manner.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 09:14
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just follow the OP, please ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 09:37
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Rush Deep Purple Aerosmith |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 09:51
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Purple, Sabbath & Zep were always considered the big 3 when I was growing up Black Sabbath 1a. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 1b. Sabotage 3. Black Sabbath (debut) Deep Purple 1. Made In Japan 2. Machine Head 3. In Rock Led Zeppelin 1. IV 2. Physical Graffiti 3. III ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 09:53
 ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 09:59
Anyway, if it should be Big Four, I would consider The Who as the best candidate. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 10:02
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I think BS, DP and LZ is a very fair big three, especially for the Prog Related lounge in which this topic resides -- it's the same three of which I would have thought of first. As a general classic "proggy" band list with at least three albums I like considerably, then I would include Atomic Rooster (but I would not expect it). I'm not that into Deep Purple generally, but do like the 60s stuff (even if a little too much covering imo, though I like those). With the oft called masterpiece Child in Time, I way prefer the earlier It's a Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling and the Vince Wallace renditions. I'm choosing my favourite albums from the three regardless of if they are the best examples of hard rock/ heavy metal from the bands (to be more insightful and relevant is way above my pay grade), and I'm not doing lives, otherwise The Song Remains the Same would be listed. With Black Sabbath my preferences tend to be chronological: - Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Master of Reality Deep Purple is aboiut the 60s for me - Deep Purple - Shades of Deep Purple - The Book of Taliesyn With Led Zeppelin, I love so much but Houses and Physical Graf to me are most loved. While in Through the Out Door often gets rated low, I love it, especially for "Carouselambra". In the words of Willie Dixon, and later sung by Jim Morrison, I guess I'm a Back Door Man, at least when it comes to some albums. I don't rate the fourth as highly as a great many, although I adore "Four Sticks", and like all of the B side really very much. "Rock and Roll" especially lowers the value of that album for me. - Houses of the Holy - Physical Graffiti - In Through the Out Door - II - I - III - IV - Presence ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 10:03
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If we also include metal, I'd say Judas Priest deserve a place here. I never deem Led Zeppelins as metal, BTW. They are quite something, but still hard rock IMO. Deep Purple have some metallic edge, yet they are also hard rock in essence. Black Sabbath should definitely be here. I'm not sure about Iron Maiden... They have a couple of 70s stuff, but their prime was in the 80s. I pretty much dislike JP, but if metal is also the case in this thread, they gotta be here. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 10:04
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Atomic Rooster or Budgie would have been my next ones on the list after those 3. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 10:08
Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin & Stained Class are certainly worthy of mention. Priest & Maiden I certainly consider the second wave after Sab/Zep/Purp. Rooster & Budgie were the same proto era. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 10:11
The Who were less influential in the world of hard 'n' heavy music than the others mentioned here. They have influenced punk and alternative music a lot more.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 10:31
definitely, also Blue Oyster Cult, UFO, Scorpions and Rainbow.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 11:02
fair enough and interesting too
 ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 12:23
Anyway, I might have got an idea for another thread. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 12:47
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Black Sabbath: too morbid, doomy and gloomy Deep Purple: 1. Deepest Purple: The Very Best of 2. Made in Japan 3. Concerto for Group and Orchestra Led Zeppelin: 1: In Through the Out Door 2. Physical Graffiti 3. Houses of the Holy
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 11 2023 at 14:13
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If we're talking pre-80s heavy rock/metal that influenced the NWoBHM movement, frankly at this point I'd give as much credit to Judas Priest, the Scorpions and even Boston as I would Sabbath, Zep, or Rush. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 08:55
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Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Master of Reality - Vol. 4 - Sabotage - Black Sabbath Deep Purple - Machine Head - In Rock - Fireball - Made in Japan Led Zeppelin - I - II - III - IV - Houses of the Holy - Physical Graffiti Uriah Heep- Salisbury - Look At Yourself - Demons and Wizards - The Magician's Birthday
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:07
Top 4 from the Big 4 1970: Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YztzNyDGcpc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YztzNyDGcpc 1970: Black Sabbath - Paranoid - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo2VF3ux4qcZ6b7vL7SVhBEK_NAbKzsoD" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo2VF3ux4qcZ6b7vL7SVhBEK_NAbKzsoD  1980: Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo 1990: Black Sabbath - Tyr - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647iZ1sSoaU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647iZ1sSoaU 1968: Deep Purple - Shades of Deep Purple - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3sqPIGGwHg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3sqPIGGwHg 1968: Deep Purple - The Book of Taliesyn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-5gqAE42A" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-5gqAE42A 1969: Deep Purple - Deep Purple - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_5ry5DDjpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_5ry5DDjpg 1969: Deep Purple - Concerto for Group & Orchestra - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnA1IMnLZr4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnA1IMnLZr4" rel="nofollow - v=gnA1IMnLZr4 1969: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1rJohGD9LA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1rJohGD9LA 1969: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2bxOJX-E3M" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2bxOJX-E3M 1973: Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97FpOlzPqFM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97FpOlzPqFM 1975: Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6I31ev1GM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6I31ev1GM 1971: Uriah Heep - Salisbury - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mlPnV1Ke8o" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mlPnV1Ke8o 1971: Uriah Heep - Look at Yourself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5K6L2OPj4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5K6L2OPj4 1972: Uriah Heep - Demons and Wizards - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjTHfKjNI7g" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjTHfKjNI7g 1972: Uriah Heep - The Magician's Birthday - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQOTaasHwWM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQOTaasHwWM |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 16 2023 at 04:06
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I wonder if Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are quite as popular around here as I imagined. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 16 2023 at 04:55
It's not all doom and gloom though, like this song for instance, which is better than Alright. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 16 2023 at 18:06
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Hi, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, go back at least a couple of years BEFORE Black Sabbath, so I would not count them (BS) in this thing, yet, though BS added a "heavy-ness" to the mold that became irresistible and still moves along, now known as "metal" ... or most of it as "crap" as I like to say for fun. Copies of more copies with lyrics supposedly determining the value of the band doing the same high school material as all others. But there were some interesting things at the time (1970) and one of them was QUATERMASS, that was keyboard heavy but the opening cut on it, ended up being a hard rock standard that was done by many others, later. Uriah Heep is also from 1970 on, so they would not have been at the "forefront" of things like LZ and DP were. I have to look at the "hard" aspect of it, since I don't think it became a big thing until BS's first two albums got out and they were played a lot on American FM radio (and ignored by the AM band, btw!!! -- which showed how much interest they had in something that sold!!!! And BS didn't sell? Right!) ... I keep thinking there were a lot more bands around making noise, but every list I find doesn't really seem to start until 1970. I wish we could include The Edgar Broughton Band, because they were specially hard and raw, and were likely one of the things that helped that brand of music, although I think that the EBB was writing material for various social and philosophical ideals, whereas it could be said that the other stuff at the time, was not as important ... a lot of it felt like just flowers in the kitchen or vegetable art in the hallway. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 16 2023 at 19:38
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MC5 were being fairly noisy around then. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 16 2023 at 22:03
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The Yardbirds, Blue Cheer, and Spirit preceded all of the above, I believe. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 17 2023 at 00:20
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 17 2023 at 05:51
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Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin were among the bands I was very fond of from the very beginning of my worshipping music as a teenager with these albums: Deep Purple - Fireball Black Sabbath - Vol. 4 Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 17 2023 at 06:27
Hi, I have to look at them some more ... I have ignored them for too long, but their loudness was well known in the Chicago/Madison/Milwaukee area.
I think that the choices listed by you are in collision/collusion with the idea of what you originally posted. By the time that Houses of the Holy came out, LZ was very much more polished and not the heavy/hardcore band that they originally showed on stage. BS 4 is a few years later, and not even close to the first two albums and the incredible attention that they got. After those first 2 albums, I think that BS went down hill some. By the time I caught them in Hollywood with Rare Earth (good) and Nazareth (made BS sound like stoned kids!!!) they were no longer an important band for me ... too much pop stuff and simple redo's. DP suffered from their early days, and perhaps they had replaced their strength with LOUDNESS, and their show was one I walked out of (Leon Russell was the other half) ... because it was poor and was not tuned right. substituting "loudness" for "quality" is a different ball game ... when you don't have a lot of value in what you do, then you use "loudness" to make sure the kids get impressed and buy more tickets. There is a massive difference in all 3 of these bands after the first 2 or 3 albums of theirs. I'm not sure that you can see that, and how they changed from the start. LZ mattured, BS went "pop" (generally speaking with a loon at the front!) and DP just went loud, not better and some of their folks leaving hurt the band. One can at the very least say that BS and LZ stuck to their folks to the "end", though Ozzie did not do badly on his own.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 17 2023 at 06:49
For me the '69 live album Kick Out The Jams is classic proto-metal. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 17 2023 at 06:57
Hi, They were also the band that gave Iggy Pop his chance, and obviously they figured out that Iggy could not outdo them on stage with his antics. MC5 never got out-gunned with Iggy out front, but he went on to become quite big. You gotta have guts, balls and some talent, to do that and not feel intimidated by some young kid that was in swim shorts on stage going crazy! The only sad side of that? The Hollywood crowd at the Whiskey (Babe Ruth opened the show with an awesome set!!!) , was probably more interested in his balls than they were in the music ... hahaha ... just a fun joke! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 17 2023 at 07:02
Wait, you got it all wrong. Black Sabbath's Vol.4 came a year before Houses of the Holy. Also BS went downhill after paranoid? Really? Because Master of Reality and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath were great albums, so what are you talking about here? Vol. 4 and Sabotage are also beloved albums. So I don't know what tour you saw them on that they were a mess or stoned... Possibly late 70s or at least post '77. Also BS went pop? When? What album do you have in mind when you say that? I'm confused here.
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