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Topic: Dream Theater vsVan Der Graaf Generator
Posted By: YtseJammer
Subject: Dream Theater vsVan Der Graaf Generator
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 03:29
JUST HOOSE WHAT YOU PREFER!



Replies:
Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 03:42

How dare you!!

My vote goes to Vander Graff Generator, Hands down, no contest, Infact without even thinking.

Polls like this should be outlawed.

 



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Posted By: paulindigo
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 03:58
For the first time I have no doubt, my vote goes to Van der Graaf
Generator


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 04:15

No doubts, hands down, landslide, no contest, etc. etc.

Van der Graaf Generator!



Posted By: -bp-
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 04:25
Can I quote EVERYONE,
VdGG easy.


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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 04:31
What logical reason is there for comparing these two?  They're two completely different bands, appealing to differing sectors of the prog-listening community (although there are people who like both).  Personally I prefer Dream Theater, but that's because my tastes lean towards metal.

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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 05:07

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

How dare you!!



Posted By: magog
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 05:09
Why don't we compair cabbages with gulls?
What have to deal DT with VdGG?(I don't mean one is better than other, it's just completely different)


Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:27

Originally posted by magog magog wrote:

Why don't we compair cabbages with gulls?
What have to deal DT with VdGG?(I don't mean one is better than other, it's just completely different)

 - Nice point, mate

Don't see any relation between these bands too...



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:42

The only thing that DT and VDGG have in common is the complexity! Otherwise: completely different.

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Though i rate some DT albums higher than VDGG's, my vote goes to VDGG cause they are rather underrated sometimes and deserves more respect.



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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:50
Weirdest. Poll. Ever.


Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:53

Gonna have to give this one some serious thought....



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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:56
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Gonna have to give this one some serious thought....

 



Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 07:58

VDGG, of course...

But it's like comparing Beethoven with Glen Miller



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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 08:08
YtseJammer Polls are intended to stimulate discussion. I notice you have started a few recently, but have not offered your own opinions, and reasons for them. How about sharing them with us?


Posted By: dima_olkov
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 08:30

INCOMPARIBLE!!!!

 

V A N   D E R   G R A A F  G E N E R A T O R



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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 09:14
VDGG. Or is this a trick question?

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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 09:24

One of the easiest polls I've ever answered- VDGG without a shadow of a doubt, every time.

VDGG cannot be tied down to any one genre, plus their influences are hard to decipher too- the epitome of true progressive music. Every album is a masterpiece.

DT, whilst I like what they do, would probably not have even existed without Metallica, Rush or Yes.



Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 09:41

Van Der Graaf by far ¡¡¡

I still don´t know what is "Dream" doing in this site. What is it with prog fans to keep adding bands to the prog world for small moments of "more experimental", and "less conventional" music than normal  in their discography?. Dream Theatre to me is a great solid and powerful metal band with just more diversity in their sound and structure than other metal bands.

 I recently heard Pain of salvation - "Used". ...Now, that is cheesy and intentional prog ¡¡. It just sounds so forced and with such a lack of conviction I was about to be sick. music like that start coming out when criticts say Metal can be considered "Better metal" if it is prog. This song I´m talking about is plain Metal, some sort of Pantera´s Metal. No better or any different at all. Then, they suddenly present this mellow, melodic ballad moment with no justification whatsoever. ...OH PLEASE ¡¡¡. Don´t tell me that is not "intentional prog" ¡¡¡.

 Now, Dream is nothing close to that "cheesy" metal, but it´s not anywhere near that feeling of true prog like "Lizard", "Foxtrot", "Tarkus", etc. Please consider Dream a metal band and let them feel proud for making the best metal ever.

 About the Van Der Graaf vs. Dream issue, ...Well, I can´t think of anythig as original, bizarre, and with so deep textures as " Sleepwalkers" in any "Dream" album.



Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 10:16
What a stupid poll: you cannot compare totally different stuff!


Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 10:21
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

How dare you!!

My vote goes to Vander Graff Generator, Hands down, no contest, Infact without even thinking.

Polls like this should be outlawed.

 



Agreed.


Posted By: acuajon
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 11:29
my life was move by dream theater ,i really love them


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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 12:32
Dream Theater



Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 12:36

there's no comparation, dream theater got brilliant musicians, but his music really doesn't like me. van der graaf is one of my favourite bands, and hammill is one of the greatest genius of the music

AGUANTE VAN DER GRAAF CARAJO!!!!!

traduction: well, there's no trduction posible.



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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 12:42
Originally posted by frippertronik frippertronik wrote:

there's no comparation, dream theater got brilliant musicians, but his music really doesn't like me. AGUANTE VAN DER GRAAF CARAJO!!!!!

Dream´s music doesn´t like you?...Has Dream´s music met you in person ?...just kidding

That "aguante carajo" sounds very familiar. I did´t know "carajo" was used in Argentina. It´s so Mexican ¡.



Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 13:12

 

HA!  WHAT A LAUGH!  VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR!  Can't stand Dream Theaturd

 

 



Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 13:16
HAH THATS AN EASY CHOICE...everbody knows that Van der graaf is a huge DT ripoff

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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 13:18
This is the easiest decision I've made all day, Van der Graaf Generator, no contest

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Posted By: ShaunoNoNo
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 13:24
VdGG of course. Although, I like DT.

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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:21
Originally posted by eduardossc eduardossc wrote:

Van Der Graaf by far ¡¡¡

I still don´t know what is "Dream" doing in this site. What is it with prog fans to keep adding bands to the prog world for small moments of "more experimental", and "less conventional" music than normal  in their discography?. Dream Theatre to me is a great solid and powerful metal band with just more diversity in their sound and structure than other metal bands.

 I recently heard Pain of salvation - "Used". ...Now, that is cheesy and intentional prog ¡¡. It just sounds so forced and with such a lack of conviction I was about to be sick. music like that start coming out when criticts say Metal can be considered "Better metal" if it is prog. This song I´m talking about is plain Metal, some sort of Pantera´s Metal. No better or any different at all. Then, they suddenly present this mellow, melodic ballad moment with no justification whatsoever. ...OH PLEASE ¡¡¡. Don´t tell me that is not "intentional prog" ¡¡¡.

 Now, Dream is nothing close to that "cheesy" metal, but it´s not anywhere near that feeling of true prog like "Lizard", "Foxtrot", "Tarkus", etc. Please consider Dream a metal band and let them feel proud for making the best metal ever.

 About the Van Der Graaf vs. Dream issue, ...Well, I can´t think of anythig as original, bizarre, and with so deep textures as " Sleepwalkers" in any "Dream" album.

Dream Theater is progressive metal, and progressive metal does in fact exist.  Progressive music is known for diversity in sound and great song structure.  Well Dream Theater has done some albums that have great structure and they certainly have a diverse palette of songs whether you like all of them or not.

Used is not a good example of Pain Of Salvation, and i could understand progressive rockers hating that song, but comparing Pain Of Salvation to Pantera is f**king disgraceful.  Those two bands are everything apart.  Pain Of Salvation can play soft, complex, and emotional.  Pantera can make you feel like a retarded redneck.  (yes, i think Pantera f**king blows)  In order to get the full experience from Pain Of Salvation, you must listen to the full album.  It could be said that tons of Pain Of Salvation songs are less than brilliiant on their own, but in the format of the albums they have great structure.  I think Used is a decent at best song, but i think it's a good intro for The Perfect Element album. 

I absolutely love Dream Theater and of course i voted for them, but this is a very bad poll.  All of the progressive rock fans are going to vote for Van der Graaf Generator, and all of the progressive metal fans are going to vote for Dream Theater.  This is just a bad poll.  Both of these are great bands with excellent technical skill, but there are many more things that need to be similar in order to compare bands.

 



Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:22
Any time,any place...VdGG...

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Posted By: MoodsWings
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 20:30
Hahhaha, are you kidding me?

VDGG

In all honesty though, I have yet to check out Dream Theater. 
Some other time though.


Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 20:35
You can't compare the two, so I'm not gonna vote.

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 20:46

Retarded, Retarded, Retarded, Retarded, Retarded, Retarded poll

Still DT



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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 20:54
Wait.... how do DT and Van Der Graaf Generator have anything in common? And if there is, is it dispute worthy?

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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 21:18
Originally posted by AtLossForWords AtLossForWords wrote:

Originally posted by eduardossc eduardossc wrote:

Van Der Graaf by far ¡¡¡

I still don´t know what is "Dream" doing in this site. What is it with prog fans to keep adding bands to the prog world for small moments of "more experimental", and "less conventional" music than normal  in their discography?. Dream Theatre to me is a great solid and powerful metal band with just more diversity in their sound and structure than other metal bands.

 I recently heard Pain of salvation - "Used". ...Now, that is cheesy and intentional prog ¡¡. It just sounds so forced and with such a lack of conviction I was about to be sick. music like that start coming out when criticts say Metal can be considered "Better metal" if it is prog. This song I´m talking about is plain Metal, some sort of Pantera´s Metal. No better or any different at all. Then, they suddenly present this mellow, melodic ballad moment with no justification whatsoever. ...OH PLEASE ¡¡¡. Don´t tell me that is not "intentional prog" ¡¡¡.

 Now, Dream is nothing close to that "cheesy" metal, but it´s not anywhere near that feeling of true prog like "Lizard", "Foxtrot", "Tarkus", etc. Please consider Dream a metal band and let them feel proud for making the best metal ever.

 About the Van Der Graaf vs. Dream issue, ...Well, I can´t think of anythig as original, bizarre, and with so deep textures as " Sleepwalkers" in any "Dream" album.

Dream Theater is progressive metal, and progressive metal does in fact exist.  Progressive music is known for diversity in sound and great song structure.  Well Dream Theater has done some albums that have great structure and they certainly have a diverse palette of songs whether you like all of them or not.

Used is not a good example of Pain Of Salvation, and i could understand progressive rockers hating that song, but comparing Pain Of Salvation to Pantera is f**king disgraceful.  Those two bands are everything apart.  Pain Of Salvation can play soft, complex, and emotional.  Pantera can make you feel like a retarded redneck.  (yes, i think Pantera f**king blows)  In order to get the full experience from Pain Of Salvation, you must listen to the full album.  It could be said that tons of Pain Of Salvation songs are less than brilliiant on their own, but in the format of the albums they have great structure.  I think Used is a decent at best song, but i think it's a good intro for The Perfect Element album. 

I absolutely love Dream Theater and of course i voted for them, but this is a very bad poll.  All of the progressive rock fans are going to vote for Van der Graaf Generator, and all of the progressive metal fans are going to vote for Dream Theater.  This is just a bad poll.  Both of these are great bands with excellent technical skill, but there are many more things that need to be similar in order to compare bands.

 

I get your point, I really do. I questioned Dream T being in this site just to make more evident the fact that many people is always wondering whether a band should be included or not.

If most people say progressive metal exist, then I must agree. However, 7 years ago they came to México, I had never heard them before and a friend told me they were progressive and very good instrumentalists, etc..Well, I went to see them and I found nothing I could relate to prog in that two hours concert. To me it was metal, very well played, but that was it.

Now I´ve identified some details for which prog fans call Dream T. prog. It´s fine with me. ...In such case, I could name some "salsa" bands that play latin jazz that could be called prog salsa bands. That wouldn´t be a hit in this site right?.

Dude #1.-  "Oh listen ¡¡¡. Did you hear that violin sound right in that 15 seconds sudden change of mood?. It was great ¡¡. ...Ok, let´s keep headbanging with the rest of the 58 minutes of the album" 

Dude #2.- "Oh yes, what a great melodic section of 15 seconds...and the violin was great...you know?, this is prog ¡¡¡"

Dude #3.- "It´s prog"

Dude #4.- "pure Prog"

...........Dude #10,000 .- "Metal prog" 



Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 22:21
Both are good, I prefer DT

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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 23:46
this is a rather silly poll dreamtheater have about as much in common with van der graff generator as Gary Busey does with Phil Collins

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Posted By: Ultaigh
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 23:52
Van Der Graaf Generator.


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 00:02

Originally posted by Hemispheres Hemispheres wrote:

this is a rather silly poll dreamtheater have about as much in common with van der graff generator as Gary Busey does with Phil Collins

You can't deny that there isn't something familiar about Busey and PC:

   



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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 03:21
Originally posted by eduardossc eduardossc wrote:

I get your point, I really do. I questioned Dream T being in this site just to make more evident the fact that many people is always wondering whether a band should be included or not.

If most people say progressive metal exist, then I must agree. However, 7 years ago they came to México, I had never heard them before and a friend told me they were progressive and very good instrumentalists, etc..Well, I went to see them and I found nothing I could relate to prog in that two hours concert. To me it was metal, very well played, but that was it.

Now I´ve identified some details for which prog fans call Dream T. prog. It´s fine with me. ...In such case, I could name some "salsa" bands that play latin jazz that could be called prog salsa bands. That wouldn´t be a hit in this site right?.

Dude #1.-  "Oh listen ¡¡¡. Did you hear that violin sound right in that 15 seconds sudden change of mood?. It was great ¡¡. ...Ok, let´s keep headbanging with the rest of the 58 minutes of the album" 

Dude #2.- "Oh yes, what a great melodic section of 15 seconds...and the violin was great...you know?, this is prog ¡¡¡"

Dude #3.- "It´s prog"

Dude #4.- "pure Prog"

...........Dude #10,000 .- "Metal prog" 



That's a very short-sighted and inacurrate view of Dream Theater.  Dream Theater's music consists of more than 58 minutes of metal with a change of mood of just 15 seconds.  They are considered prog because of lengthy compositions, lyrics that display intricate narratives, concept albums, use of keyboards and unusual time signatures (all of which come from the definition of prog on this site).  In addition, the majority of prog and metal fans consider Dream Theater prog, and Dream Theater are prog when compared to other metal bands in the same sense that Genesis (in their prime) are prog when compared to standard rock bands.  If your only experience of Dream Theater is one concert, then you aren't really in a position to judge them.


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Posted By: magog
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 06:35
Originally posted by eduardossc eduardossc wrote:

Van Der Graaf by far ¡¡¡

I still don´t know what is "Dream" doing in this site. What is it with prog fans to keep adding bands to the prog world for small moments of "more experimental", and "less conventional" music than normal  in their discography?. Dream Theatre to me is a great solid and powerful metal band with just more diversity in their sound and structure than other metal bands.

 I recently heard Pain of salvation - "Used". ...Now, that is cheesy and intentional prog ¡¡. It just sounds so forced and with such a lack of conviction I was about to be sick. music like that start coming out when criticts say Metal can be considered "Better metal" if it is prog. This song I´m talking about is plain Metal, some sort of Pantera´s Metal. No better or any different at all. Then, they suddenly present this mellow, melodic ballad moment with no justification whatsoever. ...OH PLEASE ¡¡¡. Don´t tell me that is not "intentional prog" ¡¡¡.

 Now, Dream is nothing close to that "cheesy" metal, but it´s not anywhere near that feeling of true prog like "Lizard", "Foxtrot", "Tarkus", etc. Please consider Dream a metal band and let them feel proud for making the best metal ever.

 About the Van Der Graaf vs. Dream issue, ...Well, I can´t think of anythig as original, bizarre, and with so deep textures as " Sleepwalkers" in any "Dream" album.



Finally somebody else saying what I was trying to express for a long!!!!
Thanks Eduardossc


Posted By: Doesburger
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 07:59

Prog-metal doesn't exist. It's a pure creation of metal/hard-rock fans who just wanted to have more recognition for their music. If your genre doesn't bring enough money, attach it (by force) to a better-known one... et voila. We have the mess that we have now in our hands.

Now what about then :

Abba = prog-disco?

Celine Dion = prog-sh*t?

Bush = prog-idiot?

That's exactly what this poll proves. Fans of prog prefer prog.

Could be wrong of course! LOL

Trust a prog-fan to be so serious about such stupid subjects. No wonder the world is going down the drain.



Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 08:20

Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

What a stupid poll: you cannot compare totally different stuff!

It's not totally different : they are both rock acts, not for example classical music on one hand and rock on the other hand.



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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 08:23
I've finally decided...VdGG.

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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 08:43

Easy answer : VDGG !



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Posted By: magog
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:45
Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Prog-metal doesn't exist. It's a pure creation of metal/hard-rock fans who just wanted to have more recognition for their music. If your genre doesn't bring enough money, attach it (by force) to a better-known one... et voila. We have the mess that we have now in our hands.

Now what about then :

Abba = prog-disco?

Celine Dion = prog-sh*t?

Bush = prog-idiot?

That's exactly what this poll proves. Fans of prog prefer prog.

Could be wrong of course! LOL

Trust a prog-fan to be so serious about such stupid subjects. No wonder the world is going down the drain.



I'm with you, boy


Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:58
Originally posted by magog magog wrote:

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Prog-metal doesn't exist. It's a pure creation of metal/hard-rock fans who just wanted to have more recognition for their music. If your genre doesn't bring enough money, attach it (by force) to a better-known one... et voila. We have the mess that we have now in our hands.

Now what about then :

Abba = prog-disco?

Celine Dion = prog-sh*t?

Bush = prog-idiot?

That's exactly what this poll proves. Fans of prog prefer prog.

Could be wrong of course! LOL

Trust a prog-fan to be so serious about such stupid subjects. No wonder the world is going down the drain.



I'm with you, boy

You guys are not alone. You know, I´ve been reading so many pro-dream notes lately, that yesterday I played both "Awake" and "Images and words". Two of the very best right?...Well, I was entertained for one and a third albums. ..I really couldn´t continue. At the end I could not remember a single note I had just heard. Metal is just so monotonous, Metal prog is a little more bearable. Iron maiden, Whether plain metal or not, presents more diversity.

I can listen to The flower kings 3 times longer than to Dream T. Despite Flower kings´ conventional diversity. At least you can listen to them without feeling annoyed by the hard sounds. Flower Kings´music is generic prog but still, I can listen to them for hours as background.  



Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:59

DREAM THEATER vs VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR

Stop kidding, please!!!

VdGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 



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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 10:40

I haven't heard VDGG but with that reactions I WILL because you guys seam to love them.

I didn't vote ofcourse.



Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 10:57
Different Stuff- But DT for me


Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:02
undoubtably VDGG for me.

But to be fair I have just recently started listening to DT.




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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 22:31
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Hemispheres Hemispheres wrote:

this is a rather silly poll dreamtheater have about as much in common with van der graff generator as Gary Busey does with Phil Collins

You can't deny that there isn't something familiar about Busey and PC:

   

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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 13:04
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Prog-metal doesn't exist. It's a pure creation of metal/hard-rock fans who just wanted to have more recognition for their music. If your genre doesn't bring enough money, attach it (by force) to a better-known one... et voila. We have the mess that we have now in our hands.

This is just wrong.  Will you care to define for me what exactly being a progressive musician is?  I've always considered progressive to be a prefix to a genre.  A musician would be made progressive through unconventional creativity, technicality, distinct tonality, unconventional song structure, and etc.  That's why we have Progressive Rock, Progressive Metal, and Progressive Jazz (also considered to be Modern Jazz).  Other genres have this too, just take country rock and country pop.  Progressive is a style of play, it really isn't a genre.

Dream Theater does have unconventional creavity, i would say an album like Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is very technical, progressive, and structured.  Futhermore, when Dream Theater came out, not many bands were playing progressive metal the way that they were.  Their technical ability is well understood.  Everybody knows these guys can play in intricate keys using unconventional times signatures.  Dream Theater has a distinct tonality as well.  Jordan Rudess does an excellent job of staying away from the "typical" synth sounds that musicians so often use.  Dream Theater is well structured too.  Their songs are made up of many parts and many technical parts as well.  These songs are extremely difficult to memorize on any insturment.

Dream Theater was very creative before Train Of Thought came out.  I would agree with most fans in saying that their creativity is a little drained now, but that shouldn't take away from what they've done in the past. Images and Words has a brilliant song structure, Awake does an excellent job of keeping a similar atmosphere throughout many changes in tonality throughout the album.  Falling Into Infinity is not very progressive, but i find it to be well structured.  Scenes From a Memory is brilliant, this album portrays many different moods using many different tonalities, and very unconventional synth sounds.  Six Degrees further expands with the forty-two minute epic that can make someone feel so many different things with so much technical intricacy.  I love Dream Theater and i think up to this point they have been a very creative and progressive band.

 



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Posted By: Rockin' Chair
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 16:22
I don't vote because DT and VDGG are too different. You can't compare them.


Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 16:31

I totally agree: There is no point for comparing Dream Theater and Van Der Graaf Generator... They're both way to different and even though they're both prog, they are not related or share a common thing...

On the other hand, I voted for VDGG, not because I am a hudge fan of them, but because I think "classical" is always on the top... No matter what... They're bands that influenced others and because they changed the way of music...



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Posted By: carlo394
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 04:10

Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

What a stupid poll: you cannot compare totally different stuff!

Agree.

anyway voted VdGG

 



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 12:27
This is a stupid poll!


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 12:29
^ Agreed ... it's pointless.

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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 12:32
Yea, and look at the intolerance !!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 12:46

Errrggghh... When I look at some of these post I have a feeling I'm sharing this site with Morons... Prog metal in not a genre... ? here it goes again... Delusional Old Farts!!!!

*rapid and hectic breathing...*

I don't like VdGG, I love DT but still I will not vote... this poll is stupid, useless, ignorant! And all the posters here should really reconsider what they wrote...



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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:06

I vote for Celine Dion. She is soooo RIO.



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Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 17:46
VDGG 

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Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 18:04
Originally posted by Don Quito Don Quito wrote:

I totally agree: There is no point for comparing Dream Theater and Van Der Graaf Generator... They're both way to different and even though they're both prog, they are not related or share a common thing...

On the other hand, I voted for VDGG, not because I am a hudge fan of them, but because I think "classical" is always on the top... No matter what... They're bands that influenced others and because they changed the way of music...



Jesus Christ is everyone on this post retarded?  The question clearly asked what band you SUBJECTIVELY prefer, not which band is better, nor does this question ask to compare both of them or find any commonality between them!  That has nothing to do with the question!  I don't know why all of you have to make something so easy so goddamn difficult.  It's like asking someone whether they prefer pizza or sushi.  Or would you still complain that pizza and sushi are too dissimilar for you to be able to say which one you preferred!  No comparison is being done between VDGG and DT, nor did the poll say they were related at all!  Why are you guys making something out of nothing?  Just say which band you PREFER, it's as easy as that.  VDGG for me.


Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 22:42
Pancakes are yummy.


Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 23:00
I like them both for different reasons, but overall I like Van Der Graaf Generator more by quite a bit.

Now if this were Pain of Salvation vs. Van der Graaf Generator, that I would be unsure of.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 01:31

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Pancakes are yummy.

Damn straight.

To All: Listen to this man!!!!



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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:20
Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Errrggghh... When I look at some of these post I have a feeling I'm sharing this site with Morons... Prog metal in not a genre... ? here it goes again... Delusional Old Farts!!!!

*rapid and hectic breathing...*

I don't like VdGG, I love DT but still I will not vote... this poll is stupid, useless, ignorant! And all the posters here should really reconsider what they wrote...

I stand by my words....Pancakes are yummy.



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 03:24

I prefer Waffles

especially the blueberry ones



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Posted By: greenmonster
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 03:50
I have the feeling that these bands are incomparable. Van der Graaf, of course!!!


Posted By: Crafter
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 07:15
Originally posted by magog magog wrote:

Why don't we compair cabbages with gulls?
What have to deal DT with VdGG?(I don't mean one is better than other, it's just completely different)

Yes...

But I prefer DT, I sleep during listening to VDGG *shame on me*...


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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 10:31
How could such an absurd Poll get 4 pages of opinions and 100 votes ??. My polls are always a failure. Once I started a "lizard vs Atom heart mother" Poll with a large range of options and it worked for only a dozen of votes.


Posted By: Draconean
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 14:10
VDGG!

I do like DT a lot also. But their discography doesn't compare to VDGG's + I like the emotion that goes with the vocals and the lyrics of VDGG.

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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 14:45
VdGG!!!

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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 15:20
Dream Theater!

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Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 15:24
Is this a joke??? When DT compose a tune such as "House with no door", only then they'll be able to stand competition.

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Posted By: seamus
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 07:49
Impossible to compare VDGG & DT!Confused


Posted By: febus
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 09:17
SHAKIRA for meThumbs%20Up


Posted By: Prayermad
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 11:43
VDGG


Posted By: Yito
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:02
Very different bands to vote,
anyway i vote for Dream Theater because VDGG always make the same experimental music and DT change his music in every album (but without changing his style).
 
two great bands with different music and different art, i think this poll is meaning less because all the people is gonna vote fo VDGG because they are 100% prog and DT is a mix of different rock.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:15
Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

What a stupid poll: you cannot compare totally different stuff!


While the two can be compared/ contrasted, one doesn't have to draw-out  comparisons between the bands to choose which band one prefers.

I quite like VDGG (love some of the band's stuff) and largely dislike Dream Theater from the rather limited material of DT's that I know.  I'm not keen on DT style-metal.  I'm not that into metal, but the metal influenced (metal fusion music) I do like tends to be listed here under Art Rock and Avant Prog.

I'd take Estradasphere, for instance, any day over Dream Theater.


Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:41
you guys are so cruel and so hateful to dream theater.!!!! Don't be so hatefull to their awsome sucess!!!
Did you know because of Dream Theater great sucess there are 1000 of fans discovering progressive rock for the first time so stop this kind of hatefull thread

.!!!! we shouldn't have this kind of discution here. there are prog bands i don't like much, but I don't make thread to compare them and try to creat riots.

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 15:25
Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

you guys are so cruel and so hateful to dream theater.!!!! Dont be so hatefull to their awsome sucess!!!
Did you know because of their great sucess there are 1000 of fans discovering progressive rock for the first time so stop this kind of hatefull thread.!!!! we shouldn't have this kind of discution here. there are prog bands i don't like much, but I don't make thread to compare them and try to creat riots.
 
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 15:39
Comparing VdGG to Dream Theater is like comparing a large diamond to a grain of sand. There is only one choice really, and that's VdGG.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 15:40
Great. You take the two groups with the biggest, most obnoxious fanboys and pit them against each other.

Not an inflammatory poll at all.


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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:10
damn this is really hard, i love this bands!

but being objective, Van deer graaf generator is a better band in my point of view

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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 07:04
Dream Theater are responsible for 1000's of people avoiding prog. 

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 08:31
Van Der Graff of course.

Dream Theater are excellent musicans, but I dont find their work original, soulful or remotely interesting. I'm delighted that a band can still be acclaimed for their ability as musicians in these crap times, but for me their songs just dont appeal. Sorry.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 08:35
Dream Theater!!!!!

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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 08:44
Dream Theater...

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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 19:46
Hmmm... Dream Theater is one of my least favorite bands, while VdGG is one of my all-time most beloved bands.... I guess I got to go with Hammill and the crew here!

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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 19:48
Dream Theater by a lot, at least for me! Wink Just overall better musicians in general.
 
 


Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 20:45
VDGG for obvious reasons.


Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 03:34
Dream Theater is talented.
Van Der Graaf Generator is amazing.
VDGG


Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 03:35
Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

you guys are so cruel and so hateful to dream theater.!!!! Don't be so hatefull to their awsome sucess!!!
Did you know because of Dream Theater great sucess there are 1000 of fans discovering progressive rock for the first time so stop this kind of hatefull thread

.!!!! we shouldn't have this kind of discution here. there are prog bands i don't like much, but I don't make thread to compare them and try to creat riots.



Very true,
I hold no hatred toward Dream theater. good band
I just lik VDGG better


Posted By: Endless Wire
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 00:02
Hmm...I gues I'll have to go with DT because the only VDGG album I have is Pawn Hearts and while it is good I do feel its a bit overrated

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Posted By: LeInsomniac
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 11:41
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Comparing VdGG to Dream Theater is like comparing a large diamond to a grain of sand. There is only one choice really, and that's VdGG.


DittoClap It´s like comparing the movie 2001 : A Space Oddysee from Stanley Kubrick to a movie (any movie from Ed Wood like Glen or Glenda or Plan 9 From Outer Space)

Van der Graaf Generator make a far more interesting work than DreamTheather (it realy is a bit strange comparing these two groups )maybe if you had tried to compare DT with TheMarsVolta it would be more challenging and even so my vote would ´ve gone to TMV.


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Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 13:10
Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:



Jesus Christ is everyone on this post retarded?  The question clearly asked what band you SUBJECTIVELY prefer, not which band is better, nor does this question ask to compare both of them or find any commonality between them!  That has nothing to do with the question!  I don't know why all of you have to make something so easy so goddamn difficult.  It's like asking someone whether they prefer pizza or sushi.  Or would you still complain that pizza and sushi are too dissimilar for you to be able to say which one you preferred!  No comparison is being done between VDGG and DT, nor did the poll say they were related at all!  Why are you guys making something out of nothing?  Just say which band you PREFER, it's as easy as that.  VDGG for me.


My thoughts exactly as I read this poll.  At least somebody has some sense here.  Supposedly open-minded prog fans all saying things like stupidest poll ever, can't compare 'em, whining ad nauseam.  No wonder prog gets a bad rap.

Think of it this way guys: given a choice, in general who would you rather listen to, VDGG or Dream Theater?  Is that a hard question?

For me, I love both, and both types of music, but I have to go with DT as their music being more metal-oriented is more straight-forward, and also because they are still around and I've seen them in concert a couple times.  Also looking forward to Systematic Chaos and the new tour, will be getting tickets for sure Smile






Posted By: annexusquam
Date Posted: April 30 2007 at 07:21

it is unbelievable that u even compare these two bands......van der graaf of course for a thousand reasons



Posted By: Kurpij
Date Posted: May 05 2007 at 21:12
Dream Theater


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