Rather confirms my view that Waters is either a prize pillock or mentally not quite there.

He's such a meanie he deserves it.

Before judging, please listen to his interview to CNN. Not so out of his mind.

Not sure if he is "mentally not quite there" and I don't know what a "pillock" is, although probably not nice .....but I am beyond done with his political stances on the world.

A pillock is a person who is a thickie. Stupid. As thick as a brick.

I won't see Roger on his latest tour, but mainly 'cause he relies more on tapes, loops and Autotune for a majority of the show.  

I passed too on this tour.

Partly because it was a 2 hr drive on a "school night", but also there wasn't much new on the playlist.

But I did catch it on Youtube.  I think it was the Cincinnati show. 

Apparently Rog just wrote a letter to Putin, after having written to his wife. 

Almost proposing himself as a mediator. 

As if them letters would actually reach Vlado The Wacko. 

He did use tapes & loops.  There was no obvious autotuning

comparing crap with sh*t?

octopus-4 wrote: Dellinger wrote: I do wonder why Roger chose to go live in USA and not in Russia... comparing crap with sh*t?

If you could be restectful, please...

Don't necessarily appreciate the US (and even less the current Russia, FTM), but al least the US allows people (foreigner in Roger's case) not agreeing with its politics to remain on their territory.

You might want to say the same for Russia, but that goes with a jail sentence.

Are you sure Rog The Rogue lives in the US, though?

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Happily I am spared the issue of whether to stop listening Roger Waters' music on the basis of his opinions, as I was already not listening to it due to it boring the piss out of me.

Wouldn't count Waters as a "great musician" (I mean he's not even close to being a virtuoso in any instrument), but a man of many ideas (as all Floyd members were).

And I'm quite sure, that outside his political opinions and his feud with Gilmour, he's a very decent dude - far away from being an "awful HB".

That's why the "spitting incident" in Montreal shocked him so bad, that he wrote The Wall.

Apparently Waters is a really nice employer, knowing the names and surnames and family situation of everyone of his crew and always finding time for a few minutes for a chat. He even goes out of his way to say hello to someone some 20/30 meters away from him. How many of us can say that?

But yeah, as I stated a couple of post above, he's either very naïve or has a disproportionate sense of self-grandeur (or self importance) in this matter, sending letters to belligerents with atomic weapons.

But then again, someone once said (Einstein, probably?) that the world was not going to detroyed by vilains, but by those who watch them do it and did nothing to stop it.

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^I'm still processing it.

You can't rush to judgement with such profound insight.

Couldn't the same be said of Dave minus the politics? 

I suppose 'ruined' depends on what one thinks ruined Floyd.   It's true Waters probably caused the most tension, but I would also say AMLoR is among their more predictable and tedious releases.

One does get the sense they could've kept doing some good things musically, but frankly I suspect they had ten or twelve good years in them which is just about right for a band that epic & legendary.

His opinions are meaningless drivel to me. So I guess we're even. 

I still think that we must kick Putin in the a$$, but I can't say that Roger is wrong. Now that in Italy we have a female version of Pinky in charge. 

And thus, the two ends of the horseshoe finally met

And the saga continues...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/music/news/roger-waters-is-antisemitic-to-rotten-core-says-former-pink-floyd-lyricist-polly-samson-and-her-husband-david-gilmour-emphatically-agrees/ar-AA17d9Zl?cvid=2038dab8f40a43228f16750a4bb13a28" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-ca/music/news/roger-waters-is-antisemitic-to-rotten-core-says-former-pink-floyd-lyricist-polly-samson-and-her-husband-david-gilmour-emphatically-agrees/ar-AA17d9Zl?cvid=2038dab8f40a43228f16750a4bb13a28

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russia-asks-pink-floyd-s-roger-waters-to-speak-on-ukraine-arms-at-un/ar-AA17dORm?cvid=ae8971e12a364072aac13be3f007fd22" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russia-asks-pink-floyd-s-roger-waters-to-speak-on-ukraine-arms-at-un/ar-AA17dORm?cvid=ae8971e12a364072aac13be3f007fd22

“I wrote The Dark Side of the Moon. Let’s get rid of all this ‘we’ crap!” Waters declared during an interview with  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/roger-waters-pink-floyd-dark-side-moon-gilmour-putin-ukraine/" rel="nofollow - . “Of course we were a band, there were four of us, we all contributed – but it’s my project and I wrote it. So… blah!”

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/roger-waters-re-recorded-dark-side-of-the-moon-pink-floyd/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ugh&utm_term=UCR" rel="nofollow - https://ultimateclassicrock.com/roger-waters-re-recorded-dark-side-of-the-moon-pink-floyd/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ugh&utm_term=UCR

https://www.theguardian.com/music/video/2023/feb/09/ukraine-rebukes-pink-floyd-as-brick-in-the-wall-of-russian-propaganda-after-ceasefire-call-video" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/music/video/2023/feb/09/ukraine-rebukes-pink-floyd-as-brick-in-the-wall-of-russian-propaganda-after-ceasefire-call-video

Do we need this ?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/music/news/roger-waters-says-he-s-re-recording-the-dark-side-of-the-moon-without-pink-floyd/ar-AA17hiHY?cvid=c5bc2c82f40941ce90b3c7aba51a9bbe" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-ca/music/news/roger-waters-says-he-s-re-recording-the-dark-side-of-the-moon-without-pink-floyd/ar-AA17hiHY?cvid=c5bc2c82f40941ce90b3c7aba51a9bbe

also without Richard Wright... 

Exactly.

I posted above that he said he wrote it, it was his project, so blah!  He feels you need it! so blah!!

Easy Money wrote: I'm surprised he didn't declare, 'no album autographs', to the members of the UN General Assembly.

It's totally amazing he actually spoke there.

I mean how many times did artistes do that? (U2's Bono, maybe)

And it's not going to deflate Rog The Rogue's oversized ego.

I don't know if it's true but it is said that Roger did not even play all the bass parts in the album, that Gilmour played some of them because Roger could not play well enough.

Despite that, I think his comments on re-recording DSOTM might be the dumbest sh*t he's ever uttered. Yeah, we get it, you were the main songwriter in the band during their commercial peak, but talking sh*t about Wright and Gilmour when you yourself had nothing to do with Us and Them, Breathe and Great Gig is just idiotic arrogance. I don't think any person who's behind a piece of garbage like The Final Cut really has any right to speak like this, to be honest. Doing new vocal parts on previously instrumental DSOTM tracks...good god, Roger.

To think that anyone wants to hear him re-record DSotM is also just pure spite and arrogance. 

OK here's the thing: let's not get politics (i.e. the game that politicians play) and protest and/or social commentary mixed up... Interestingly, many songs were written, say, on the subject of the Vietnam war, but very few actually mentioned 'Nam itself (Country Joe & The Fish being among the notable exceptions), the artistry being mainly in allegory and allusion. But really all that is beside my point, actually getting involved in political activity, or i suppose in RW's case maybe you could say it's "diplomatic" activity, (although he's hardly being diplomatic) just seems to me to be a waste of talent. People who have a gift for music should use that gift to express their ideas and maybe inspire others who have a gift for politics, diplomacy or whatever to exercise their "talents" in a different way.

I think the 60s song-writers and musicians were flipping the bird to the idea that they should leave their political and/or social views out of their music and keep it "sanitized", and the world would be a much poorer place had they not flipped that bird. But, I was just really making the observation that whenever musicians attempt to engage in actual politics, things do not go well.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

Now that's a statement I can listen to!

Hi,

I find this really sad and a comment that makes me think that all musicians are a bunch of idiots and shouldn't be commenting on politics.

They have that right, however, they also need to remember to take the heat. 

But saying that musicians and politics do not mix? I would suggest that this person needs to study the history of music a little more. It might not be visible in classical music, but in rock music, and specially folk music, it has been around a long time, and it has been a very important part of helping a lot of things get known and seen by the public.

There are musicians out there that have PHD's and other accreditations, and they are not stupid, and their opinions are as valid as anyone else, although I would be wary of an internet that loves to throw stones, at anything including chickens and ducks!

What a waste.......

exactly 

Politics are about engagement in people and society, and it's certainly good when art has this engagement.

Surely it's about power and own interests too. 

A song probably meant for the Final Cut....

I think the typed message at the beginning of the video is for the benefit of those of us who don't know what Two Suns in the Sunset is all about. Like me, for instance, up until today. 

Exactly.......

I have no interest in his feelings about the possibility of nuclear holocaust......

And I really mean FANTASTIC, notwithstanding what others think (about all-Waters-output).

I forgot to mention something very important here, and that is environmental issues. 

Something about the whole Roger Waters issue, which I haven't followed at all, but I just think in general that it's important 

to think about on what basis/which sources one find good and sufficient enough to make an opinion and conclusion - especially 

when criticizing, as it is a serious matter.

Totally agree. The Pros and Cons of Hitch-Hiking is my favourite Roger Waters album too, which has nothing at all to do with Linzi Drew being on the album cover. Honestly! 

I'm talking about matters of which one doesn't have personal experiences, so it can't be avoided to some degree "reproduce" informations/opinions from/of others. 

Btw, is that a RIO point of view?  

Very good to think about when dealing with mass media. 

^ On the other hand it leaves you without a serious point of view... a Nowhere Man.

I will say that everything is our perspective, but fact is not the truth, but another perspective.