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Topic: Kom så Danmark!
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Subject: Kom så Danmark!
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 11:15
Inspired by Paul and David’s back and forth, a post to celebrate any Danish (prog) music you might listen to. By the broadest definition of Scandinavia (taking in the Fennoscandian peninsula, Iceland, Denmark, and associated territories), Denmark is the country I know the least, musically. So I’m expecting this post to expose me to a lot of new music.

In alphabetical order, the Danish bands I enjoy and own releases from are:

Afenginn / Klingra
Anubis Gate
Beyond Twilight
Causa Sui
Cold Night for Alligators 
Efterklang 
Eigengrau
Feather Mountain
Samuel Hällkvist
Heilung
I Think You’re Awesome
The Interbeing
Isbjörg
Josiah Konder
Kaiju
Mew
Myrkur
Mythic Sunship
Odd Palace
Town Portal
VOLA

If we add Faroe Islands and Greenland, I can add Yggdrasil to the mix.

One of my favourite Yggdrasil releases is a collaboration with New Zealander, Richard Nunns (Seta).

I have avoided multi-national groups (eg Øresund Space Collective and Texel), but feel free to mention such groups if you wish to!

🇩🇰 🇩🇰 🇩🇰



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 11:20
Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 11:30
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 11:38
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.





Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 12:25

My faves are:

Ache
Bazaar
Burnin' Red Ivanhoe
Savage Rose
Secret Oyster
Christian Sievert



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 14:07

More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 14:29
It's no secret that David & I are big fans of Danish Jazz-Rock band, Secret Oyster, and if you care to delve inside their discography, you might just find some real pearls in there. And if I'm wrong about that, then you can send me Straight to the Krankenhaus! Tongue
 
4 stars 1973: Secret Oyster - Secret Oyster -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lO2cfsC7h6qtwwya-F9T4ls5bltkqStt0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lO2cfsC7h6qtwwya-F9T4ls5bltkqStt0
4 stars 1974: Secret Oyster - Sea Son -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAy13b63U_xYW8SAEtfHHso0OJCM3VPl0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAy13b63U_xYW8SAEtfHHso0OJCM3VPl0
4 stars 1975: Secret Oyster - Vidunderlige Kaelling - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mEFIvmg_blUn9Hm9ae7VRq5qajmDUzmaE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mEFIvmg_blUn9Hm9ae7VRq5qajmDUzmaE
5 stars 1976: Secret Oyster - Straight to the Krankenhaus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mA6JmPI6DesJlfF53CMZzptXc8K2c4tHc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mA6JmPI6DesJlfF53CMZzptXc8K2c4tHc
5 stars 2008: Secret Oyster - Live in the USA 2007 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lIyWT15Mq_CvGFTBH4ryqCDG-HnZatEJs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lIyWT15Mq_CvGFTBH4ryqCDG-HnZatEJs
 
 


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 14:47
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=305

Etcetera : classified as Sympho prog by PA, with a bit of Canterbury (imho)

nice stuff above average


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 14:50
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's no secret that David & I are big fans of Danish Jazz-Rock band, Secret Oyster, and if you care to delve inside their discography, you might just find some real pearls in there. And if I'm wrong about that, then you can send me Straight to the Krankenhaus! Tongue
 
4 stars 1973: Secret Oyster - Secret Oyster -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lO2cfsC7h6qtwwya-F9T4ls5bltkqStt0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lO2cfsC7h6qtwwya-F9T4ls5bltkqStt0
4 stars 1974: Secret Oyster - Sea Son -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAy13b63U_xYW8SAEtfHHso0OJCM3VPl0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAy13b63U_xYW8SAEtfHHso0OJCM3VPl0
4 stars 1975: Secret Oyster - Vidunderlige Kaelling - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mEFIvmg_blUn9Hm9ae7VRq5qajmDUzmaE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mEFIvmg_blUn9Hm9ae7VRq5qajmDUzmaE
5 stars 1976: Secret Oyster - Straight to the Krankenhaus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mA6JmPI6DesJlfF53CMZzptXc8K2c4tHc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mA6JmPI6DesJlfF53CMZzptXc8K2c4tHc
5 stars 2008: Secret Oyster - Live in the USA 2007 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lIyWT15Mq_CvGFTBH4ryqCDG-HnZatEJs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lIyWT15Mq_CvGFTBH4ryqCDG-HnZatEJs

By the way, I've no idea what "Vidunderlige Kaelling" means, but David will know. Smile
 
 


Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 15:28

Inuit Nunaat — Sume | Last.fm


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 15:59
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

By the way, I've no idea what "Vidunderlige Kaelling" means, but David will know. Smile

Surely yes, "vidunderlige" means "wonderful", but the translation of "kælling" is not that simpel. In some more old days it meant "old, ugly woman", while in recent times (and maybe on this album, believe it or not) it's mostly used as a denigrating word for "woman" (bitch). But "kælling" has been also used in a more caring way.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:21

After second thought, I think that "kælling" is used in a positive way på Secret Oyster's album, which is btw a soundtrack
for a ballet, and the cover depicts the leading dancer "dressed" in the way she danced.







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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:38
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button. It's too heavy on the Metal and too light on the Prog for me. Thumbs Down


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:45
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button. It's too heavy on the Metal and too light on the Prog for me. Thumbs Down

Are you thumbing down videos again? Kinda insulting to be honest, and yes, it is progressive, it's progressive power metal. 
Not that heavy if you ask me. Catchy, the musicians are competent. Solid band. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:49
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button.

LOL


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:50
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button.

oh, and that's very rude. Ouch


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:54
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button. It's too heavy on the Metal and too light on the Prog for me. Thumbs Down

Are you thumbing down videos again? Kinda insulting to be honest, and yes, it is progressive, it's progressive power metal. 
Not that heavy if you ask me. Catchy, the musicians are competent. Solid band. 
At least I gave Pyramaze a listen, but it just wasn't my cup of tea I'm afraid, and besides, when else am I going to get the opportunity to use the thumbs down emoticon again. Tongue 


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 16:58
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button. It's too heavy on the Metal and too light on the Prog for me. Thumbs Down

Are you thumbing down videos again? Kinda insulting to be honest, and yes, it is progressive, it's progressive power metal. 
Not that heavy if you ask me. Catchy, the musicians are competent. Solid band. 
At least I gave Pyramaze a listen, but it just wasn't my cup of tea I'm afraid, and besides, when else am I going to get the opportunity to use the thumbs down emoticon. Tongue 

it's a big difference between calling something "not my cup of tea" and using an insult and a thumbs down emoticon. 

And obviously metal's not your cup of tea, you shouldn't have clicked on that video in the first place. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 17:06
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Power-prog band Pyramaze is also great. Smile

I’ll give them a listen. I’ve heard of them, but never listened. Probably because of the power-prog tag. I do like some power-prog bands, but it’s when they’re heavier on the prog, because power metal very rarely pushes my buttons.

The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button. It's too heavy on the Metal and too light on the Prog for me. Thumbs Down

Are you thumbing down videos again? Kinda insulting to be honest, and yes, it is progressive, it's progressive power metal. 
Not that heavy if you ask me. Catchy, the musicians are competent. Solid band. 
At least I gave Pyramaze a listen, but it just wasn't my cup of tea I'm afraid, and besides, when else am I going to get the opportunity to use the thumbs down emoticon. Tongue 

it's a big difference between calling something "not my cup of tea" and using an insult and a thumbs down emoticon. 

And obviously metal's not your cup of tea, you shouldn't have clicked on that video in the first place. 
Well, clicking on that video was a case of curiosity killed the cat I suppose, but I do like a lot of Metal bands as you know, including:- Ayreon; Black Sabbath; Delain; Dream Theater; Iron Maiden; Leaves' Eyes Nightwish; & Within Temptation to name just eight. Oh, and not forgetting Christopher Lee!



Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 17:13
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 

And obviously metal's not your cup of tea, you shouldn't have clicked on that video in the first place. 
Well, clicking on that video was a case of curiosity killed the cat I suppose, but I do like a lot of Metal bands as you know, including:- Ayreon; Black Sabbath; Delain; Dream Theater; Iron Maiden; Leaves' Eyes Nightwish; & Within Temptation to name just eight. Oh, and not forgetting Christopher Lee!


If you really like those bands, then I don't get it how you thought the Pyramaze song was too heavy... Confused
But whatever...


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 17:57
I've enjoyed:
Culpeper's Orchard
Causa Sui
Dr. Dopo Jam
Secret Oyster
Taylor's Free Universe
Robin Taylor
Afenginn
Nicklas Sørensen

A modern one I like, and not in PA, but to me it is relevant enough, is Tales of Murder and Dust (it has cinematic, atmospheric qualities that I very much like and fits in well with music I have been listening to).

This is its 2020 album: https://talesofmurderanddust.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - https://talesofmurderanddust.bandcamp.com

And the whole album on youtube (uploaded by the official people so I have no issues about sharing the full album like this):




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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 18:35
I personally really enjoyed Ache - Pictures from Cyclus 7. BTW, the title of the thread is in Swedish. You might wanna fix that. xD

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 22:30
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

Actually, it's an interesting question, how come that the modern Prog (at least "proper") hasn't thrived as well in Denmark as in Sweden and Norway. I don't really have any answer on that, but it seems to me that the Danes are more into Roots Rock, and I've been thinking that we're maybe more "provincial".



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 22:35
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

BTW, the title of the thread is in Swedish. You might wanna fix that. xD

The difference is very little (maybe except from for the Danes Big smile). In "Danish" it would be: "Kom så Danmark!"




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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 23:19
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

a post to celebrate any Danish (prog) music you might listen to.

I might listen to, but about 50% of these names, I've only checked out years ago and never revisited again. But I've liked them all  - at least enough to feel like they deserved a mention.

Secret Oyster
Alrune Rod
Foreningen til Livets Beskyttelse
Vindharpen
Coronarias Dans
Heavy Joker
Mew
Burnin' Red Ivanhoe
Afenginn

Not in PA:

John Tchicai (Jazz)
Bazaar (World/Jazz or Indo Raga)
Afsky (Black Metal)
Carsten Meinert Kvartet/CM Musictrain (jazz)
Palle Mikkelborg (Jazz)
Gert Thrue (Progressive Electronic)
Balkan ((Balkan/jazz)
Stig & Steen (folk/prog/psych)




Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 23:24
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 

And obviously metal's not your cup of tea, you shouldn't have clicked on that video in the first place. 
Well, clicking on that video was a case of curiosity killed the cat I suppose, but I do like a lot of Metal bands as you know, including:- Ayreon; Black Sabbath; Delain; Dream Theater; Iron Maiden; Leaves' Eyes Nightwish; & Within Temptation to name just eight. Oh, and not forgetting Christopher Lee!


If you really like those bands, then I don't get it how you thought the Pyramaze song was too heavy... Confused
But whatever...
I'm just not into Power Metal that's all. It's no great mystery. I can't name one Power Metal band that's appealing  to my ears., but there are plenty I find appalling. Tongue


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 22 2022 at 23:33
+ I listen to Mercyful Fate's first two albums which in many ways are quite progressive - or proto-progressive metal.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 02:00
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


If you really like those bands, then I don't get it how you thought the Pyramaze song was too heavy... Confused
But whatever...
I'm just not into Power Metal that's all. It's no great mystery. I can't name one Power Metal band that's appealing  to my ears., but there are plenty I find appalling. Tongue

There are power metal elements in Ayreon's music and also in symphonic metal, that you seem to enjoy so much. 


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 02:13
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

“Prog proper” 😄😄😄😄

Almost all of my list is “prog proper”, and modern. If you mean, what is prog to you, that is not at all the same thing as “prog proper”. Proper, by definition, relates to what is generally understood and recognised - not what is individually understood and recognised.

The dictionary definition (at least, the dictionary in my house, but I’m sure if I Google I will find plenty of other similar definitions) for proper is “denoting something that it is truly what is said or regarded to be”, and while you could infer from that definition an individual viewpoint, it is clearly meant to imply a general viewpoint.

If you can look almost anywhere, and find that a band or artist is said, or regarded to be, prog; then it is “prog proper”. Almost all the bands and artists I listed are described as prog on social media, on websites, at festivals and concerts, in reviews, etc. I could add by their label and by themselves (on their websites, Bandcamp sites, etc.) but a lot of the time people don’t seem to want to accept how a band describes themselves, and wishes to hear it from others.

Apologies for the wrong så, by the way. I have fixed that!

I intend to listen to Ache, Secret Oyster and Burning Ivanhoe, as these are the bands I’ve most had recommended to me, not just on here, but on Facebook when I made a similar post.

Greg, I loved what I heard from that Tales of Murder and Dust album (I sampled it, rather than listened to it, because I prefer to listen to an album in full once I’ve paid for it.) I’ve bookmarked the Bandcamp site, so I can go back to it later.

[EDIT] I forgot to mention, but Pyramaze really wasn’t my cup of tea at all. I listened to 2/3 of the 2020 album, and 1/3 of the 2017 album, before giving up. There may be some prog in their prog-power mix, but it’s hidden underneath swathes of overwhelming power metal. Not for me, sorry.




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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 02:24
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:


[EDIT] I forgot to mention, but Pyramaze really wasn’t my cup of tea at all. I listened to 2/3 of the 2020 album, and 1/3 of the 2017 album, before giving up. There may be some prog in their prog-power mix, but it’s hidden underneath swathes of overwhelming power metal. Not for me, sorry.



no problem Smile
I find them better than the most famous power-prog band from Denmark, Royal Hunt which is beloved and respected and i don't get it why. To each its own i guess. 



Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:20
'Danish Progressive Rock News' is a Facebook group that compiles and presents what is new on the Danish Prog scene.

It's members include many of the band members and you can easily engage with them.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/292700444575481 




Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:22
Christi, I don’t understand why you have such a problem with Paul’s emoji-usage. From where I’m standing, both he and Nick said pretty much the same thing about the album you recommended, and yet you jump down Paul’s throat for his use of a thumbsdown?!! It is what it is - a thumbsdown because it wasn’t to his taste…..sometimes I think you need to give the guy a break…..


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:24
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Christi, I don’t understand why you have such a problem with Paul’s emoji-usage. From where I’m standing, both he and Nick said pretty much the same thing about the album you recommended, and yet you jump down Paul’s throat for his use of a thumbsdown?!! It is what it is - a thumbsdown because it wasn’t to his taste…..sometimes I think you need to give the guy a break…..

The difference is that Paul mocked me and Nick did not. That's all. 


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:28
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Christi, I don’t understand why you have such a problem with Paul’s emoji-usage. From where I’m standing, both he and Nick said pretty much the same thing about the album you recommended, and yet you jump down Paul’s throat for his use of a thumbsdown?!! It is what it is - a thumbsdown because it wasn’t to his taste…..sometimes I think you need to give the guy a break…..


The difference is that Paul mocked me and Nick did not. That's all. 


No he didn’t. He made quite a decent pun/joke in response to Nick’s response to your suggestion….that’s what he does!


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:31
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 
The difference is that Paul mocked me and Nick did not. That's all. 

No he didn’t. He made quite a decent pun/joke in response to Nick’s response to your suggestion….that’s what he does!

Before using the thumbs down emoticon, Paul said (and i quote): "The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button."

I found that rude TBH, it bothered me. 


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:35
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 
The difference is that Paul mocked me and Nick did not. That's all. 

No he didn’t. He made quite a decent pun/joke in response to Nick’s response to your suggestion….that’s what he does!


Before using the thumbs down emoticon, Paul said (and i quote): "<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">The only button I want to push on that Pyramaze video is the Stop button."</span>
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
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<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">I found that rude TBH, it bothered me. </span>



Which was in response to Nick’s comment about pushing buttons! I don’t see how you could possibly find this rude or take offence!

But carry on……


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:40
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

 

Which was in response to Nick’s comment about pushing buttons! I don’t see how you could possibly find this rude or take offence!

But carry on……

Nick expressed dislike much later, in a polite manner. 

I don't have a problem with Paul disliking that, it was predictable he would, but the way he said it was  mockingly. Water under the bridge now. 


Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:51
My most recent Danish listen






Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:52
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

 

Which was in response to Nick’s comment about pushing buttons! I don’t see how you could possibly find this rude or take offence!

But carry on……


Nick expressed dislike much later, in a polite manner. 

I don't have a problem with Paul disliking that, it was predictable he would, but the way he said it was  mockingly. Water under the bridge now. 


I would say jokingly, not mockingly.

And when Nick commented on the music is irrelevant to this discussion…..


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:53
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

 
I would say jokingly, not mockingly.

well, if it was a joke, it did not land well with me. Humor is subjective. 


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 03:54
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Christi, I don’t understand why you have such a problem with Paul’s emoji-usage. From where I’m standing, both he and Nick said pretty much the same thing about the album you recommended, and yet you jump down Paul’s throat for his use of a thumbsdown?!! It is what it is - a thumbsdown because it wasn’t to his taste…..sometimes I think you need to give the guy a break…..


The difference is that Paul mocked me and Nick did not. That's all. 


No he didn’t. He made quite a decent pun/joke in response to Nick’s response to your suggestion….that’s what he does!

To me, it was obvious that Paul was riffing off my comment that power metal doesn’t push my buttons. The irony is that if Paul had made the comment I did, I almost certainly would have made the same joke that Paul made, re the only button I wanted to push was the stop button. So Cristi would have been upset with me, rather than Paul. There is clearly no mocking involved, and the use of a thumbs down emoji is hardly offensive. To me it is a case of Cristi taking offence, rather than Paul intending any offence. Why, I’m not sure? Perhaps simply due to the history between them, where Paul in the past has deliberately baited Cristi, so that now even when he is not, Cristi sees it that way. A shame, because I quite enjoyed Paul’s button joke.



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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 04:28
Beyond Twilight
Royal Hunt
Anubis Gate
Manticora
Pyramaze
Wuthering Heights


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 04:29
^ Anubis Gate are great indeed. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 04:32
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Bazaar (World/Jazz or Indo Raga)

I'd say more like Progressive Folk, at least on Bazaar Live (1978) - unless to consider Balkan Folk as World - but surely evolved to the other genre(s) later on.




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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 04:35
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

+ I listen to Mercyful Fate's first two albums which in many ways are quite progressive - or proto-progressive metal.

not least Melissa which I find to be great and surely innovative in 1983.




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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 04:38
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

+ I listen to Mercyful Fate's first two albums which in many ways are quite progressive - or proto-progressive metal.

Great band in general. 
I still listen to King Diamond every now and then, his albums are great, I prefer KD to MF. 


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 06:12
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Christi, I don’t understand why you have such a problem with Paul’s emoji-usage. From where I’m standing, both he and Nick said pretty much the same thing about the album you recommended, and yet you jump down Paul’s throat for his use of a thumbsdown?!! It is what it is - a thumbsdown because it wasn’t to his taste…..sometimes I think you need to give the guy a break…..


The difference is that Paul mocked me and Nick did not. That's all. 


No he didn’t. He made quite a decent pun/joke in response to Nick’s response to your suggestion….that’s what he does!


To me, it was obvious that Paul was riffing off my comment that power metal doesn’t push my buttons. The irony is that if Paul had made the comment I did, I almost certainly would have made the same joke that Paul made, re the only button I wanted to push was the stop button. So Cristi would have been upset with me, rather than Paul. There is clearly no mocking involved, and the use of a thumbs down emoji is hardly offensive. To me it is a case of Cristi taking offence, rather than Paul intending any offence. Why, I’m not sure? Perhaps simply due to the history between them, where Paul in the past has deliberately baited Cristi, so that now even when he is not, Cristi sees it that way. A shame, because I quite enjoyed Paul’s button joke.



Exactly as I see it….


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 06:34
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

...Greg, I loved what I heard from that Tales of Murder and Dust album (I sampled it, rather than listened to it, because I prefer to listen to an album in full once I’ve paid for it.) I’ve bookmarked the Bandcamp site, so I can go back to it later....


I'm glad you enjoyed it (at least from your sampling, not sure if you would enjoy listening to the whole album as much). They made it free to download from bandcamp, I haven't checked to see if it still is, but it's considerate not to be a freeloader even if people say that the best things in life are free....

I must admit that I prefer to listen to full albums before I pay for them, but charity shops often don't have record players available to listen to that old vinyl before you spend your hard earned dollar on it. I'm kidding. Although I do like to buy such records, and do like a bargain, I also like to support music artists.

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 07:21
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Bazaar (World/Jazz or Indo Raga)

I'd say more like Progressive Folk, at least on Bazaar Live (1978) - unless to consider Balkan Folk as World - but surely evolved to the other genre(s) later on.
Bazaar Live is the one I own. Their live album feature a lot of turkish folk-influence in particular (but also other ethnic music and eastern european folk). To my ears its got a lot in common with the music that usually gets lumped into the Indo/Raga section. I think that sub-genre needs a new definition. Most of it would be placed in the World section today.


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 07:22
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

+ I listen to Mercyful Fate's first two albums which in many ways are quite progressive - or proto-progressive metal.

not least Melissa which I find to be great and surely innovative in 1983.

I'd include their 1984 follow-up Don't Break the Oath.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 07:27
Two more Danish sizzlers from the Prog Line channel. Smile

3 stars 1980: COMA - Amoc (Jazz-Rock  Denmark) -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4oYGrl2n84" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4oYGrl2n84
4 stars 1971: FLEUR DE LIS - Facing Morning (Psychedelic Rock  Denmark) -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw44tKGIy_Q" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw44tKGIy_Q


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 12:57
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Bazaar (World/Jazz or Indo Raga)

I'd say more like Progressive Folk, at least on Bazaar Live (1978) - unless to consider Balkan Folk as World - but surely evolved to the other genre(s) later on.
Bazaar Live is the one I own. Their live album feature a lot of turkish folk-influence in particular (but also other ethnic music and eastern european folk). To my ears its got a lot in common with the music that usually gets lumped into the Indo/Raga section. I think that sub-genre needs a new definition. Most of it would be placed in the World section today.

Yes, that too, one of the members on this album is even of Turkish origin - which you might have noticed.

It's interesting to hear concerning the Indo/Raga section - I didn't know that.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 13:16
On the subject of the band "Bazaar", I've just added a band named  Saddar Bazaar to my playlists, who it turns out are actually from Bristol, England. How bizarre is that!?? Geek


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 13:19
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

“Prog proper” 😄😄😄😄

Almost all of my list is “prog proper”, and modern. If you mean, what is prog to you, that is not at all the same thing as “prog proper”. Proper, by definition, relates to what is generally understood and recognised - not what is individually understood and recognised.

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I can tell that by now I'm in doubt about what to find being the best use of the term Progressive Rock, and I may become in favour of the double way you use, but which would be though:

1. A less including one, much similar to RYM's, which I guess is best corresponding to the historically and today mostly used one, so it can be called "Progressive Rock proper".
2. A more including one, and the way I've suggested to define Progressive Rock in my article here, which uses the term Prog as a meta-genre.

Written in the thread "How to define and classify Progressive Rock?" and quoted in a post answering one of your posts in the thread "Plans on PA for becoming an all-music site?". Wink


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 13:36
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

“Prog proper” 😄😄😄😄

Almost all of my list is “prog proper”, and modern. If you mean, what is prog to you, that is not at all the same thing as “prog proper”. Proper, by definition, relates to what is generally understood and recognised - not what is individually understood and recognised.

The dictionary definition (at least, the dictionary in my house, but I’m sure if I Google I will find plenty of other similar definitions) for proper is “denoting something that it is truly what is said or regarded to be”, and while you could infer from that definition an individual viewpoint, it is clearly meant to imply a general viewpoint.

Are you trying to define and classify Progressive Rock? This could be the start of another long-running debate.  Tongue


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 13:48
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

“Prog proper” 😄😄😄😄

Almost all of my list is “prog proper”, and modern. If you mean, what is prog to you, that is not at all the same thing as “prog proper”. Proper, by definition, relates to what is generally understood and recognised - not what is individually understood and recognised.

The dictionary definition (at least, the dictionary in my house, but I’m sure if I Google I will find plenty of other similar definitions) for proper is “denoting something that it is truly what is said or regarded to be”, and while you could infer from that definition an individual viewpoint, it is clearly meant to imply a general viewpoint.

Are you trying to define and classify Progressive Rock? This could be the start of another long-running debate.  Tongue

No, I’m trying to dissuade David from trying to define and classify it. I would prefer him to keep his dead horse flogging in his own threads. 😜



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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 14:29
A one-off I don't recall seeing so far is Zaragon's No Return from 1984. Derivative symph/neo prog, but not bad for the year it came out.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoqf7wrOkpitrl-XtaLCA1_ccNmwVYDFg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoqf7wrOkpitrl-XtaLCA1_ccNmwVYDFg


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 14:34
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


Taylor's Free Universe

I also enjoy the related Taylor's Universe. A great band.

https://robintaylorsuniverse.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - https://robintaylorsuniverse.bandcamp.com/


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 23 2022 at 23:01
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Almost all the bands and artists I listed are described as prog on social media, on websites, at festivals and concerts, in reviews, etc.

I wonder, and not on RYM. Big smile




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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 01:01
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

+ I listen to Mercyful Fate's first two albums which in many ways are quite progressive - or proto-progressive metal.

Great band in general. 
I still listen to King Diamond every now and then, his albums are great, I prefer KD to MF. 
While I do enjoy King Diamond as well, I much prefer his Robert Smith-like, natural, clean vocals in early MF (in combination with that spectacular falsetto....). His later, sort of in character "evil villain" voice  comes of as cartoonish/theatrical to me. And that's probably the whole point and fine by me. But to me his singing approach brought a sort of goth/new wave feel to their classic heavy metal. I found it really refreshing when I first discovered those early gems, and missed it when I started digging deeper into the discog.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 01:11
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

+ I listen to Mercyful Fate's first two albums which in many ways are quite progressive - or proto-progressive metal.

Great band in general. 
I still listen to King Diamond every now and then, his albums are great, I prefer KD to MF. 
While I do enjoy King Diamond as well, I much prefer his Robert Smith-like, natural, clean vocals in early MF (in combination with that spectacular falsetto....). His later, sort of in character "evil villain" voice  comes of as cartoonish/theatrical to me. And that's probably the whole point and fine by me. But to me his singing approach brought a sort of goth/new wave feel to their classic heavy metal. I found it really refreshing when I first discovered those early gems, and missed it when I started digging deeper into the discog.

nicely put Thumbs Up


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 06:29
Little low on Danish albums

Heilung - Futha
I Think You're Awesome - Bootlegs No.2: Løft Mig Op Så Jeg Kan Nå UNCUT
Secret Oyster - Vidunderlinge Kaelling (aka Astarte)


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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 08:01
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Little low on Danish albums

Heilung - Futha
I Think You're Awesome - Bootlegs No.2: Løft Mig Op Så Jeg Kan Nå UNCUT
Secret Oyster - Vidunderlinge Kaelling (aka Astarte)

Nice to see someone else mentioning I Think You’re Awesome. I thought I might be their only fan on PA. 🤗



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 08:11
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Secret Oyster - Vidunderlinge Kaelling (aka Astarte)

I wonder if you're not familiar with other SC albums, or you best like this one.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 08:52
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Secret Oyster - Vidunderlinge Kaelling (aka Astarte)

I wonder if you're not familiar with other SC albums, or you best like this one.

It's the only one I currently, they are certainly on my must explore further list but there's a lot of bands on that list. I'd probably like a lot of it. Though I don't listen to a lot of straight Fusion.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 09:12
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Little low on Danish albums

and join the club. Big smile


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 24 2022 at 09:28
Because Anisette soon caught the "Janis Joplin vocal-syndrome" I don't like Sagage Rose very much. But she uses her normal singing voice to a larger extent on their debut, and it's a lovely little 1968 psychedelic rock album










Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 25 2022 at 09:54
Did anyone name Taylor's Universe or Øresund Space Collective?

Nice to know there are more bands from the Dane islands than I ever knew--though,based on my observation of Danish youth & citizens, I would have expected more Tech/Metal, Math Rock, and Viking Folk Metal.
 


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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 25 2022 at 10:13
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

David, you are obviously not into modern day prog, particularly not Danish prog - surprisingly, as you are from Denmark (?) - since modern day Danish prog is flourishing and experiencing a second coming not seen since the first coming in the late 60's (Burning Red Ivanhoe, Ache, Alrune Rod, Culpeper's Orchard a.o.).

I suspect you haven't heard of Vola, Feather Mountain, Pardans and many other Danish "Non-proper Prog" to stick to your term "Prog Proper" whatever that means.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 25 2022 at 12:56
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

I suspect you haven't heard of Vola, Feather Mountain, Pardans and many other Danish "Non-proper Prog" to stick to your term "Prog Proper" whatever that means.

"whatever that means", you seem to have gotten it right, and are you in doubt, then you can see here quoted from the post of mine which answers one of Nick's posts:  

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I can tell that by now I'm in doubt about what to find being the best use of the term Progressive Rock, and I may become in favour of the double way you use, but which would be though:

1. A less including one, much similar to RYM's, which I guess is best corresponding to the historically and today mostly used one, so it can be called "Progressive Rock proper".
2. A more including one, and the way I've suggested to define Progressive Rock in my article here, which uses the term Prog as a meta-genre.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 25 2022 at 13:20
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

David, you are obviously not into modern day prog, ...

You're quite wrong about that, even I'm most into 70's Prog.

Frankly speaking, I'd prefer to be free of all your misunderstandings, and I'm wondering about if you want intentionally to bother me. Wink


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 25 2022 at 21:42

You would maybe like to be mentioned in "Imaginative album and song titles"? Ermm


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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 26 2022 at 02:17
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


You would maybe like to be mentioned in "Imaginative album and song titles"? Ermm

Are you referring to me? If so, explain what you mean by this.


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: August 26 2022 at 18:09
I have a clear top seven not including Oresund Space Collective which is multi-national but based in Denmark.
Coronarias Dans
Dr. Dopo Jam
Coma
Secret Oyster
Papir
Causa Sui
Alrune Rod

A lot of Psychedelia and Jazz.


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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 27 2022 at 01:12
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I have a clear top seven not including Oresund Space Collective which is multi-national but based in Denmark.
Coronarias Dans
Dr. Dopo Jam
Coma
Secret Oyster
Papir
Causa Sui
Alrune Rod

A lot of Psychedelia and Jazz.
The only two I’m familiar with are Øresund Space Collective and Causa Sui, but based on how much I like them, I had better investigate the rest of your list.



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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: August 27 2022 at 17:37
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I have a clear top seven not including Oresund Space Collective which is multi-national but based in Denmark.
Coronarias Dans
Dr. Dopo Jam
Coma
Secret Oyster
Papir
Causa Sui
Alrune Rod

A lot of Psychedelia and Jazz.
The only two I’m familiar with are Øresund Space Collective and Causa Sui, but based on how much I like them, I had better investigate the rest of your list.


Well Papir is the style of the two you mentioned but that's about it. Going to spin the album they did with Electric Moon this week hopefully.


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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 28 2022 at 00:26
Being a Dane myself, it´s maybe a little embarrassing, but I seldom enjoy or listen to Danish music. There are a few exceptions like Afenginn, Burnin´Red Ivanhoe, Secret Oyster, Alrune Rod, Young Flowers, Steppeulvene, Mew, Love Shop, Sort Sol, CV Jørgensen, early Konkhra, Invocator, and of course the mighty Red Warszawa, but not all of them are prog related and few of them are favorites of mine.

To my ears most Danish artists through time have been pale clones of international artists. There I said it...


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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 30 2022 at 09:49
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:


...modern day Danish prog is flourishing and experiencing a second coming not seen since the first coming in the late 60's...


Here's testimony to the first and second wave of Danish Progressive rock, the first short-lived, the next lasted nearly ten years ending in 2020.

The chart is taken from a presentation I did last year on the development of Danish prog.




Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 30 2022 at 11:58
^ And that appears to be based only upon what is in PA. I’m sure there are plenty of Danish bands recognised as prog outside PA (many of whom may quote possibly make their way into PA over years to come - provided the site is still around).

I definitely think that the modern Danish prog scene is great. It may not be “proper” to David, but it is definitely very well appreciated by many - and far beyond Denmark’s borders.



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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 30 2022 at 12:45
What's interesting to me beyond the numbers is what scenes of progressive and experimental music have been most popular. Looking at PA's Denmark list, there is an eclectic mix of our categories: http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=56" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=56

I like this so-called "progressive" electronic in a retro/ regressive way to my ear https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_HMRmmSBiS5kEzW1BonTG_dI7sVtwfGq" rel="nofollow - Videodrones - Nattens Hævn (CLICK) album from 2017. It's not in PA, nor would I particularly expect it. I guess that title is a nod to Croneberg's Videodrome, which I watched again recently (kind of a good and bad movie to me). The album is evocative of the 80s, and has some synthwave qualities to it to my ear (which often draws on 80s film and culture for inspiration).

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 30 2022 at 13:20
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

What's interesting to me beyond the numbers is what scenes of progressive and experimental music have been most popular. Looking at PA's Denmark list, there is an eclectic mix of our categories: http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=56" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=56

I like this so-called "progressive" electronic in a retro/ regressive way to my ear https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_HMRmmSBiS5kEzW1BonTG_dI7sVtwfGq" rel="nofollow - Videodrones - Nattens Hævn (CLICK) album from 2017. It's not in PA, nor would I particularly expect it. I guess that title is a nod to Croneberg's Videodrome, which I watched again recently (kind of a good and bad movie to me). The album is evocative of the 80s, and has some synthwave qualities to it to my ear (which often draws on 80s film and culture for inspiration).

I couldn’t get your link to work, but with a little Googling, I found the album. Quite clearly Videodrones are big horror fans. There’s definite nods and hints to the soundtracks of Walter Rizzati and Fabio Frizzi (probably both known best for their collaborations with Lucio Fulci, and Rizzati also for his work with Claudio Simonetti, of Goblin fame). In fact, to keep to the horror theme, you could say the ghosts of Rizzati and Frizzi haunt the works of Videodrones. Away from the Italian horror composers, I detect influence from John Carpenter, too. And if we talking prog, then there’s as much Popul Vuh as there is Goblin. It’s just a really neat sound, that evokes well the sound and feel of early ‘80s horror soundtracks, and perhaps more importantly, without at all sounding kitschy or cliché. This could se easily have been a big heap of cheesy, corny 💩, but instead it’s just really enjoyable.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 30 2022 at 22:23

If one looks at RYM's chart for the Danish Progressive Rock all-time, the picture is very clear, and showing very low 
popularity of the Danish post-70's "Progressive Rock proper". 


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 01:42

So I certainly agree that the thread title, "Kom så Danmark!" ("Come on, Denmark!") is very well-chosen. LOL


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 03:09
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

More exactly speaking, the Prog bands, I've listed, are those who at least have made one album which I like. So it can be
easily seen that I'm not impressed by the Danish Prog myself, and I'd say that "Prog proper" hasn't been popular 
in the post-70's Denmark - and thus there's surely some work to do for those who might wish.

I can tell that I've made a try. In 2006, I started to write a book about Progressive Rock in general and in many countries, and I asked three big Danish publishers if they would publish it. They wouldn't, as they reckoned there would not be enough interest and readers for it. Unhappy


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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 06:01
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


If one looks at RYM's chart for the Danish Progressive Rock all-time, the picture is very clear, and showing very low 
popularity of the Danish post-70's "Progressive Rock proper". 

This is not RYM but PA (and we're supposed to know good prog - at least some of us Wink) and if you look at the all-time best ranked Danish albums you will find that Danish prog from the 70's is quite 'improper' compared to what came after.

Danish prog from the 70's is ranked 4th (Culpeper's Orchard), 5th and 9th (both Secret Oyster). Not so 'proper' after all.

1 Royal Hunt 'Paradox'
2 Mantric Muse 'Mantric Muse'
3 Taylor's Universe 'Certain Undiscoveries'
4 Culpeper's Orchard 'Culpeper's Orchard'
5 Secret Oyster 'Straight to the Krankenhaus'
6 Taylor's Universe 'Evidence'
7 Mew 'And the Glass...'
8 Beyond Twilight 'Section X'
9 Secret Oyster 'Secret Oyster'
10 Causa Sui 'Euporie Tide'


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 06:04
http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=56" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=56


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 06:54

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=56&sminratings=80&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=78&y=6#list 


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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 07:11
^why are you manipulating the results to serve your own purpose by setting the minimum number of ratings to 80? Wacko


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 08:20
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If one looks at RYM's chart for the Danish Progressive Rock all-time, the picture is very clear, and showing very low 
popularity of the Danish post-70's "Progressive Rock proper". 

As I see it, PA's chart shows quite the same picture as RYM's:
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=56&sminratings=80&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=78&y=6#list 

and I've sat the minimum number of ratings to 80, as I'm talking about the popularity and not obscure albums.


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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 09:33
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


If one looks at RYM's chart for the Danish Progressive Rock all-time, the picture is very clear, and showing very low 
popularity of the Danish post-70's "Progressive Rock proper". 

Actually, quite clearly it doesn’t. I’ve just had a look at RYM’s all time chart for studio albums from Danish bands and artists, because it will show the popularity of Danish prog music against other types of music. And what I’ve found is very clearly showing that modern Danish prog is generally rated more highly than ‘70s Danish prog.

But just to show that we shouldn’t be assuming that RYM is always accurate, let me point out that the first prog artist who appears in the Danish all-time chart is Anna Von Haussewolff, who I’m fairly certain is not Danish. But even if we ignore her, there is no ‘70s prog in the top 10. There is one modern prog band represented though, with Wuthering Heights having their first entry in the chart, at number 10.

Just missing out on the top 10 is another modern prog band, Mew’s first entry in the chart at number 11. (Mew being one of the bands in my list from the OP.). The first two ‘70s prog bands make an appearance now, at 14 (Culpeper’s Orchard) and 17 (Secret Oyster).

At 21 and 22, we have Wuthering Heights and Mew again, followed by Royal Hunt at 26. So in the too 10 that’s one modern album and no ‘70s albums. In the top 20, there are two of each era, but the two modern prog albums are ranked higher than the two ‘70s prog albums. In the top 30, there are still only those two ‘70s albums, but now there are five modern prog albums. Let’s keep going, shall we?

Thor’s Hammer comes straight in at 31 to give another album for the oldies. It’s quickly followed by Day of Phoenix and Midnight Sun (35 and 36, respectively). Hot on their heels is Mew with their third album in the chart, at 37, and just nipping in at 40 is Causa Sui. So in the top 40 we have five albums from the ‘70s, and seven modern prog albums

I went all the way to the end of the top 100, and here are the totals:

14 prog albums from the 1970s
24 modern prog albums.

Even not taking into account that the modern albums tend to be ranked higher than the albums from the ‘70s, the modern outnumbers the ‘70s.  Your insistence on looking at only the Danish prog you feel is “proper” ignores what is happening in the real world. If something is near universally agreed upon as prog, it’s equally near meaningless for you to suggest it’s not. By all means say that you’re not a fan of modern Danish prog, but it’s completely inaccurate to suggest that the modern Danish prog scene is not vibrant and well-liked, and probably on a far greater scale than the ‘70s scene ever was, simply because the internet allows a wider audience.

[EDIT] Ok, so now I see you’ve attempted to support your argument by looking at the PA chart, as well. But just as you obviously set the parameters in a narrow way on RYM to create an inaccurate picture, so you have done with PA, too. As for calling albums obscure, I’d be interested to know which they are. If by obscure, you mean unfamiliar to you - well then every single ‘70s Danish band and artist is obscure to me, as I’d not heard of any of them until now. Please don’t obfuscate by conflating what is obscure to you, as being obscure generally,

The number one Danish prog album on PA is Royal Hunt, who are far from obscure. I’ve never listened to them, but I know of them, and have done for years. Back in New Zealand, before the Internet was even a thing, while I was at high school, I knew who Royal Hunt was. On the other side of the globe. With no World Wide Web. Obscure? Not a chance. This is the Royal Hunt album that came in at 26 on RYM - ahead of all but two (and only two) albums from the ‘70s, suggesting that the RYM and PA charts are already somewhat in agreement.

There are only three prog albums from the ‘70s in the PA top ten! Only five in the PA top twenty!
And only Mantric Muse is unfamiliar to me from the 15 modern prog albums in the PA top temerity. Is Mantric Muse obscure? Well, I’ve never heard of them, but they’re ranked number 2, and have 74 ratings (no wonder you had to go to 80 to avoid them!)

Basically, you’re clearly unable to argue your point without creating false evidence to support it.




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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 09:57
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If one looks at RYM's chart for the Danish Progressive Rock all-time, the picture is very clear, and showing very low 
popularity of the Danish post-70's "Progressive Rock proper". 

As I see it, PA's chart shows quite the same picture as RYM's:
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=56&sminratings=80&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=78&y=6#list 

and I've sat the minimum number of ratings to 80, as I'm talking about the popularity and not obscure albums.

You have changed PA's algorithm thereby invalidating your search statistically to accommodate your own needs.

Statistically, PA's algorithm is very sound and incorporating the number of ratings for an album by a weighting factor. You, on the other hand, have cut off about 2/3 of all Danish albums rated on PA without a statistical grounding which is obviously very convenient to you.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 10:31

Anyway, I appreciate much PA's work for doing the Danish Prog more popular, and I hope even more that it can contribute 
quite a lot as well to increase the popularity of Progressive Rock in Denmark. Smile







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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 12:14
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Anyway, I appreciate much PA's work for doing the Danish Prog more popular, and I hope even more that it can contribute 
quite a lot as well to increase the popularity of Progressive Rock in Denmark. Smile

It is not PA that has made Danish prog more popular. It is the quality of the music. If it were just PA, you wouldn’t expect to see such similarities between RYM and PA. Websites tend to be reactive, rather than proactive - PA considerably more so than RYM. The sheer amount of modern prog from Denmark showing up on PA and RYM charts is because those bands and artists have been so popular among both prog and non-prog fans. They may be obscure to you. They may not be “prog proper” to you. But they are recognised as prog almost universally, and they are enjoyed internationally. And I would bet a large chunk of their fans have never even heard of PA.



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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 12:27
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Anyway, I appreciate much PA's work for doing the Danish Prog more popular, and I hope even more that it can contribute 
quite a lot as well to increase the popularity of Progressive Rock in Denmark. Smile

Yes, if it wasn't for PA then I wouldn't know Danish prog even existed and Secret Oyster would have remained a hidden pearl just waiting to be discovered. Smile


Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 15:23
It is curious. When I saw this topic, I couldn’t name a single band except Aqua (Barbie Girl). Found nothing that I’ve listened to on PA. The closest I get is Heilung, that I recently discovered. Their new album, Drif, is great btw. Can’t really call it Danish though, as it’s a German-Danish-Norwegian thing.

I’ve listened to lots of Norwegian and Swedish music, even some Finnish, but Denmark is nowhere to be found.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 16:35
Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

When I saw this topic, I couldn’t name a single band except Aqua (Barbie Girl).

LOL


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 16:36
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

... if it wasn't for PA then I wouldn't know Danish prog even existed and Secret Oyster would have remained a hidden pearl just waiting to be discovered. Smile

LOL


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 16:49
Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

I’ve listened to lots of Norwegian and Swedish music, even some Finnish, but Denmark is nowhere to be found.

While I can tell that I find Norwegian for not to talk about Swedish post-70's Prog much better than Danish. Smile




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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 31 2022 at 18:02
I must admit I know very little Danish music that I like. Heilung are great (but rather international than Danish). I also saw a gig of Efterklang together with Under Byen once, the latter apparently not yet named in this thread. Both very good bands, but I wasn't so keen on the vocals.

By the way Under Byen ended their set saying "And now have fun with the other good Danish band!" Tongue


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 01 2022 at 02:40

I wrote:

"You would maybe like to be mentioned in "Imaginative album and song titles"? Ermm"

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129532&PN=1


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