Random Shuffle! 5/7/2022
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Topic: Random Shuffle! 5/7/2022
Posted By: zwordser
Subject: Random Shuffle! 5/7/2022
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 14:05
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I love my new streamer, though I hate it too, (including its limited physical storage capacity--am I ready to just dive into the world of the "cloud"?? No, not really). But today I dug out the ol' computer, stlll with nearly all my music on the HD, and pulled up a random list. Here's what popped to the top from about 14000 tracks: ------------- Z |
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 14:16
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Ain't waiting on this one: choosing Hatfield, barely over Zeppelin (though I like it much better in album context). Lovely fem. vocals, soft Canterbury feel. The Zeppelin is still one of my faves, though. The U2 track is excellent too. The Radiohead track sounds very Eno-ish to me, but isn't too bad. ------------- Z |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 14:24
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Hatifeld ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 17:17
| Hatfield too |
Posted By: rik wilson
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 17:29
| Hatfield and the North takes it to the top and back again. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 17:37
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Kid A is great so I wanted to vote for Radiohead but the chosen track, even though I like it a lot, could not beat the Hatfield & The North one. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 07 2022 at 20:33
| Lobster in Cleavage Probe. |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 02:08
Same here, underappreciated though "Treefingers" is in my opinion. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Lewian wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 02:12
| Hatfield and the North |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 02:56
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It was between Radiohead and U2 for me, but I have loved that U2 track longer, so it got my vote. Looks like whoever I voted for, I would have given their only vote. 🤪 It’s a pretty good selection, though. The only track that would never have had a hope of my vote is the Led Zep one. The other three are all good. But boy, oh boy, I love Boy, so I am very happy to have given my vote to the black cat. 🐈⬛ ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 09:02
So is that one vote (at the time I'm writing this) yours?? I could have sworn someone voted for U2 yesterday (May 7) shortly after I posted the poll. ------------- Z |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 10:21
Yeah, that was me. But I didn’t have time to write the post at the time. Perhaps I should have waited until I had time to post as well as vote, but that’s not what I did. Sorry for any confusion caused. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 11:20
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Hatfield ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 08 2022 at 11:56
| Love that Led Zep song. |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 05:09
| Brilliant, Hatfields soundly beating Led Zep!! |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 06:08
why does that surprise anyone?
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 07:55
Well..., because its Zeppelin, and its a great tune. I guess I'm not too surprised Hatfield's winning this poll (on a Prog website, anyway), but when I cast the first vote for H, I wasn't thinking they'd end up with more that twice as many votes! ------------- Z |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 08:03
| Zeppelin |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 08:54
Because Prog Archives is becoming Metal Archives (not referring to the Zep track, just generally)
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 08:56
I disagree, metal is still not that popular here on PA.
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 12:22
I second that disagreement--I've noticed metal/heavy prog tracks tend to not do as well in my own polls when going up against other prog tracks (with the exception of some Rush tracks), so I've tended to think that heavier music & metal is, if anything, underrepresented on PA.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 12:33
I think these things go in cycles... I certainly remember a time when the Prog Metal followers on this forum were considerably more numerous than today, but have practically all left. There was a very active team of 5-7 in the PM team and at least another 10 they could have asked if any had decided to quit. It's really quite ironic that Nick is on the PM team but doesn't profess to actually be a fan of PM! That sort of scenario would have been unheard of, 15 years ago..
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 10 2022 at 12:43
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I find "That's the Way" to be a really nice kind of country-folk song. I tend to like lots of gentle Zep music, and Zep used to be one of my very favourite bands, even though I was not into metal/ heavy metal or much hard rock. Led Zeppelin is huge in rock circles of course, and with the classic rock crowds. It is nice to see that it seems that people (not everyone) do vote based on the actual music (the tracks) rather than just on how popular/ known the band is -- people (not everyone) actually will listen to/ revisit and compare music methinks. I have noticed that in recent times, a lesser-known act does have a better chance of faring well in a poll percentage-wise against a very popular act. Well, generally there are less votes period, but polls have been made comparing very accomplished (or respected by those who know it) tracks by lesser-known artists to much derided songs by very popular acts, and in my earlier days here, it seemed more likely that people would just vote for the act they know and like regardless of what song by that known act was chosen and regardless of what track it was up against. A good thing about these polls to me often is learning about new-to-me music or revisiting music we don't know well already, but to some it has seemed to be more about brand loyalty. But I ramble. Anyway, Hatfield and the North's "Lobster in Cleavage Probe" is the standout here for me (and for most others apparently). Love it. I also like the ambient Radiohead track, "Treefingers" very much. While it works best in the context of the album (great album, I think), I do like hearing it in this context too. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 07:56
I hope most votes are based on the actual music, but, of course, people are free to vote from whatever basis they want: consciously or subconsciously. Can't really fault anyone for voting on a "brand loyalty"--music is just too subjective, and there may be deep emotional ties to some of these bands/tracks. BUT, finding new music, or just re-visit things not heard in a long time is the larger purpose of random polling/listening. (that's a big part of my own listening to random tracks, (besides just enjoying it), and part of the reason I started creating these polls a couple years ago). ------------- Z |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 10:46
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^ Agree. Just to add, as is my wont, I wouldn't fault people generally for it, but I have seen brand loyalty and brand "antipathy", one could say, that seems to go a bit far per my philosophy which tends to favour trying to keep an open mind while recognising our biases. We all have biases. For instance, I have seen people just vote a for an act no matter the song without considering the others, and sometimes they have not even heard that songs and have made it clear that they are voting for the act. And I have seen people dismiss whole discographies by artists who make disparate music while not knowing very little of the act. Then one often sees claims like, "X is way better" than "V, W,Y, Z" I do seem to find that less common now here, and so a lesser-known band could ore easily best lesser-known artist, such as a Hatfield and the North track being ahead of Led Zeppelin. Not that Hatfield is really unknown here. And I think that there is a higher percentage of participants who are willing to actually listen to the songs in a poll set up like yours (even if just checking out snatches of each to see which appeals) and compare. I'm now reminded me a of a poll I did many years ago here where a less mainstream and more experimental act was getting more votes for the choice than a much more mainstream choice, and someone claimed that the only reason people were voting for this avant-oriented one was because we were against the more mainstream one. To which someone responded, I voted for it because I enjoy it more. And I've seen comments like people are only voting for X to be different.... I used to like to play my iPod on random sometimes, it gives you a different context and perspective on the music sometimes, and sometimes I have really noticed a track in random shuffle mode whereas it never stuck with me when I heard the full album. I then have gone and listened to the full album and really appreciated it and the album more. It has helped to to return to albums, especially when I was acquiring them very fast about 15 years ago. I don't generally listen to as much variety as I once did. I remember arguing (or trying to argue) with someone at this site who claimed that random listening is no proper way to listen to music, you need to listen to it in the context of the album, no true music appreciator would listen that way etc. Funnily enough, that person had mentioned appreciating music radio before, so odd. Of course I'm fine with someone who wants to listen to songs only in the context of the album it was released on, just not okay if that person tells me how I should experience and appreciate music. If some would rather not compare music, not bother to listen to the music that has been embedded from youtube, and just go with the act they know, that's up to them. Different people take different approaches, and some are willing and able to put more time and thought into their approach. We've both been here a long time and seen a lot of things. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 12:17
I do very much find that it is rare to appreciate a song as much outside the context of the album it is pulled from, than within, but I also ❤️LOVE❤️ listening to my iPod on shuffle. In fact, I cannot get to sleep at night, unless I have music playing, and every night I simply leave my iPod on shuffle. And yes, absolutely, sometimes a song comes on, and it hits in a completely different way than when I’ve heard it on the album. And sometimes (as per the I Mother Earth track I shared in an interactive pill recently) I never really noticed/paid much attention to a song, until I heard it outside the context of listening to an album as a whole. It can give a completely new appreciation for a track, and can even elevate it to a new favourite. So yeah, I have never understood the snobbery around listening to one’s music on a random shuffle. I guess I probably enjoy listening to albums most of all, and this is how I listen to music most of the time - but that doesn’t mean I don’t get a heck of a lot of pleasure from playing my iPod on shuffle. In fact, some mornings, if I’m not sure what I want to listen for the day, putting my iPod on shuffle is the best way. It is inevitable that something will pop up that makes me want to listen to the whole album. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: May 11 2022 at 13:13
^ Well, its nice to see I'm not alone with such listening habits!  But unlike most, I probably spend the majority of listening on random. Similarly as mentioned, it will often lead into an album-listen, particularly if I hear a track that cuts off because it's supposed to blend into another (usually a concept album)--it creates a desire to hear the whole thing. But also to add to what you said about a track "hit[ting] in a completely different way": for me its often realizing that I didn't notice the track as well when I heard it on a whole album, often because it gets overshadowed by "better" tracks. When tossed to me on random, I often tend to notice a track better, or hear it more closely than I might have otherwise; thus, in a way, appreciate it better. ------------- Z |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 15 2022 at 06:36
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Hatfield, just ahead of Zeppelin. I'm not that keen on Radiohead, but I do like Kid A/Amnesiac, although mostly as entire albums rather than individual songs. The less said about U2, the better. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |