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Topic: Your favourite 10 Spanish Prog albums?Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your favourite 10 Spanish Prog albums?
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:13
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Replies: Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:22
Don't know much about Spanish prog. I know Gotic and Iceberg. I don't think i know much else. I'll post again if I forgot someone.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:26
Cristi wrote:
Don't know much about Spanish prog. I know Gotic and Iceberg. I don't think i know much else. I'll post again if I forgot someone.
It just couldn't be better.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:29
12IcebergCoses NostresSpa1976
12IcebergSentimentsSpa1977
12IcebergEn DirecteSpa1978
11AtilaIntencionSpa1976
11AtilaReviureSpa1978
11Coto
En PelHolocaustSpa1978
11 Kotebel Cosmology Spa 2017
11 Pan Y Regaliz - s/t 1970
11 Maquina Why? 1970
11Musica UrbanaMusica UrbanaSpa1976
11Musica
UrbanaIberiaSpa1978
11Sabatés,
JordiOcells del Mes EnllaSpa1975
11CrackSi
Todo Hiciera CrackSpa1978
11FusioonFusioonSpa1972
11FusioonFusioon (Orange Cover)Spa1974
the Basques are a little different, because of the prog folk rock they developped en masse
12ErrobiAmetsaren BideaBsq1979
12HaizeaHontz GauaBsq1979
12ItoizItoizBsq1978
12ItoizEzekielBsq1979
11EnborKatebegiakBsq1980
11HaizeaHaizeaBsq1976
11ErrobiGure LekukotasunaBsq1977
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 02:41
I admit to not knowing a great deal of older Spanish prog, but I love a lot of the more modern artists. Not sure what my top 12 would be, but they would come from this list:
Abstracción
Adrift
Alquilbencil
Altair
Amarok
Blusa
Buensuceso
Cheeto’s Magazine
dCoded
De la Cuna a la Tumba
Eclipse 27
Entropia
Firewood
Fruteria Toñi
Glasswork
Icarass
Iceberg
Jardin de La Croix
Kant Freud Kafka
Kotebel
Magick Brother & Mystic Sister
Maremotus
Maud the Moth
Melange
Manoel Macia
Mohama Saz
Moura
Obsidian Kingdom
October Equis
Ángel Ontalva
Rafael Pacha
Qamar
Xavi Reija
Rivendel
Ro
El Tubo Elástico
Toundra
Turdetans
Viva Belgrado
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Posted By: Guy Guden
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 04:47
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 06:35
October Equus - Presagio Kotobel - Concerto for Piano & Electric Ensemble Planeta Imaginario - Optical Delusions Magick Brothers & Mystic Sisters - s/t Angel Ontalva - Mundo Flotante
I could have filled out the top 10 with other albums from those bands.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 07:06
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I could have filled out the top 10 with other albums from those bands.
So, I think it would be good to do it.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 07:13
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
October Equus - Presagio Kotobel - Concerto for Piano & Electric Ensemble Planeta Imaginario - Optical Delusions Magick Brothers & Mystic Sisters - s/t Angel Ontalva - Mundo Flotante
I could have filled out the top 10 with other albums from those bands.
Well, as I like four out of the five artists in your list, I had better check out the remaining one that I’ve not yet heard.
It has to be said that whatever Ángel Ontalva puts his name to, it will in all likelihood be very good! I left Seaorm off my list, it occurs to me, and I am definitely looking forward to their second album!
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 08:48
alphabetically, limiting to 1 per artist, including several Basque artists:
Asturcon - s/t
Cai - Noche Abierta
Haizea - Hontz Gaua
Harnakis - Numb Eyes, the Soul Revelation
Itoiz - Exekiel
Magdalena - Lanean Sartzen
Mago de Oz - Gaia
Sangre de Muerdago - Lembranzas Dende O Lado Salvaxe
Snowdonia - Pallas
Triana - El Patio
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 08:51
kenethlevine wrote:
alphabetically, limiting to 1 per artist, including several Basque artists:
very fine
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Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:14
Triana - El Patio
Medina Azahara - Paseando Por La Mezquita
Mantra - Mantra
Sabicas - Rock Encounter (with Joe Beck)
Mezquita - Recuerdos De Mi Tierra
Alameda - Alameda
Cai - Noche Abierta
Albatros - Ursus
Iman - Iman
Montoro - Sueno Zingaro (CD reissue with 4 bonustracks)
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:26
nick_h_nz wrote:
It has to be said that whatever Ángel Ontalva puts his name to, it will in all likelihood be very good! I left Seaorm off my list, it occurs to me, and I am definitely looking forward to their second album!
Damn right!
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:50
1970: LA MOSCA (The Fly) - Npk2 (Proto-Prog • Spain) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5dd8DYFsr4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5dd8DYFsr4
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:39
Mirakaze wrote:
...aaaand those are all I've heard. Sorry
It's fine, Mirakaze, we surely have all different interests, and Escenes is widely considered as one of the Spanish greatest masterpieces.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:57
1. Mezquita - Recuerdos de mi tierra
2. Atila - Reviure
3. Cheeto's Magazine - Amazingous
4. Bijou - El Profeta
5. Triana - El Patio
6. October Equus - Presagios
7. Maroon(ed) - The Dream Reaver
8. Crack - Si todo hiciera Crack
9. Medina Azahara - Medina Azahara
10. Cai - Noche abierta
Honorable mentions:
Cheeto's Magazine - Boiling Fowls
Triana - Hijos del agobio
Ulls - Anoia s'apodera
Urban Trapeze - Reactivated Tarkus
L'Herba d'Hameli - Inversa visual
Atila - Intencion
Cai - Mas allá de nuestras mentes diminutas
Cai - Cancion de la primavera
Metamorfosis - Papallones i elefants
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 24 2021 at 20:42
Amarok - Quentadharkën
Crack - Si todo hiciera crack
Alfredo Carrión - Los andares del alquimista
Itoiz - Ezekiel
Kotebel - Omphalos
Iceberg - Coses nostres
Gòtic - Escenes
Música Urbana - Música Urbana
Atila - Reviure
Granada - Valle del Pas
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 00:28
Kotebel - Ouroboros
Kotebel - Cosmology
Neuronium - Heritage
Neuronium - Synapsia
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 01:59
progaardvark wrote:
Ulls - Anoia s'apodera
And there’s another I missed from my list, and that’s disturbing because this is an absolutely fantastic album. It was meant to be the first in a series of releases that continue the story, but I’ve not known of any follow-up, which is a great shame. It looks as if my review remains the only one on PA, which is also a shame, as it does imply that this album is nowhere near as well known as it deserves to be!
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Posted By: dauinghorn
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 04:06
I just came back from a trip to the Basque land, north in Spain, after playing with Wobbler in Peralta. What a beautiful country! And the people, the food and the wine were all excellent. Looking forward to my return.
On this journey I realized I didn't know much about the Spanish prog scene. I only had Gotic and Mezquita, both beautiful records in their own way. One album that really hit the spot for me was Haizea - Hontz Gaua. Beautiful, sacral progressive folk with all the right vibes. And after a few glass of wine, Triana - El Patio is killer as f***. Another album I listened to after returning home was the first album by Iman, Califato Independiente. Very cool fusion/jazz-rock stuff with a lot of nice instrumentation.
Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 04:11
Oops, I forgot to mention Picasso Portraits by Juan Martin, a Spanish flamenco guitarplayer who moved to London, on this album from 1981 he collaborates with known progrock musicians like Tony Hymas, John Gustafson, Simon Phillips and Ian Mosley, an overlooked gem!
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 04:33
dauinghorn wrote:
One album that really hit the spot for me was Haizea - Hontz Gaua. Beautiful, sacral progressive folk with all the right vibes. And after a few glass of wine, Triana - El Patio is killer as f***. Another album I listened to after returning home was the first album by Iman, Califato Independiente. Very cool fusion/jazz-rock stuff with a lot of nice instrumentation.
This! It could allmost be myself written all these words, dauinghorn.
And very good with some small stories among all the listning. I can tell one myself:
My interest for Spanish Prog began 17 years ago when I bought the book Scented Gardens Of the Mind. A guide to the golden era of progressive rock (1968-1980) in more than 20 European countries by Dag Erik Asbjørnsen. This book gave me very much a wish to be acquainted with and own music from many different countries, among them Spain.
I can only say, it showed to be an unincredibly giving wish, which was followed by an unincredible amount of satisfaction.
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Posted By: Dustino
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 05:26
These are my favourite Spanish prog rock albums of all time:
Crack - Si todo Hiciera Crack (1979) - Pure prog rock
Gotic - Escenes (1978) - Prog rock / jazz rock fusion
Triana - El Patio (1975) - Andalousian prog rock
Iceberg - Sentiments (1977) - jazz rock/prog rock
Iman Califato Independiente (1978) - Imán Califato independiente - Prog rock /jazz rock fusion/ andalousian rock
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 07:27
I surely like to see your list, Dustino. I guess, we could have some nice, music listening hours together, as well.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 07:28
Guy Guden wrote:
Granada
Hi,
Hmmmm ... must be a band from the moon, Guy ...
Hablo De Una Tierra -- 1975
Espana Ano 75 -- 1976
Valle Del Pas -- 1978
This last album is excellent, and sad that the band has not been heard. It has been a part of Guy's shows for at least 44 years!!!!! Along with some other bands listed here, although a couple of them (to my ears) are more conventional than progressive.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 07:40
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 08:03
Sorry, that's a dozen. Some of these I haven't listened to in many years.
Amoeba Split - Dance of the Goodbyes Gòtic - Escenes Iceberg - Sentiments Los Canarios - Ciclos Itoiz - Ezekiel Kotebel - Omphalos Magick Brother & Mystic Sister - Magick Brother & Mystic Sister Mezquita - Recuerdos de mi tierra Música Urbana - Música Urbana October Equus - Saturnal Senogul - Senogul Triana - Triana (El Patio)
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 08:08
Cool track from a band outta Spain. I was kinda shocked how good it was, being a fan sequel to frikin Tarkus.
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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 08:14
my fav albums from Spain are
Nahemah - The second Philosophy (death - prog similar to Opeth, amazing album)
Dracma - A Fine Stormy Weather (great neo prog edited by Mellow records)
Maquina! - Why? (classic!! great psychedelic, jam and prog rock)
Galadriel - Chasing The Dragonfly (neo prog influenced by Yes)
Kotebel - Omphalos (great female vocals, similar to KC)
Amarok - Hayat Yolunda (great prog folk!)
Harvest - Chasing Time (great neo prog, with Steve Rothery and Alan Reed)
Díficil Equilibrio - Trayecto (Avant prog, really recoomend that album)
Planeta Imaginario - Biomasa (canterbury sound, perfect album!)
Iceberg - Coses Nostres (a classic album from Barcelona, jazz rock fussion)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 16:36
Logan wrote:
Some of these I haven't listened to in many years. ........ Los Canarios - Ciclos
You are the first one to mention this one, Logan, and you maybe "haven't listened to in many years", but this is one of my favourites, (as well).
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Posted By: enigmatic
Date Posted: November 30 2021 at 19:19
I am shocked nobody mentioned debut album by Nu - Cuentos de Ayer y de Hoy from 1978.
Probably my favorite Spanish prog album together with Crack. Pure gem, unique sound, dynamic heavy prog with lots of tempo changes, hooks and turns. Everyone who like violin in rock should check it out.
Crack - Si Todo Hiciera Crack (1978)
Canarios - Ciclos (1974)
Feliu i Joan Albert - Feliu i Joan Albert (1977)
Fusioon - Fusioon (Orange Cover) 1974
Goma - 14 de Abril (1975)
Gotic - Escenes (1978)
Iceberg- Sentiments (1977)
Iman Califato Independiente - Iman Califato Independiente (1980)
Atila - Reviure(1978)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 26 2023 at 08:51
Anybody else who wants to tell about fave Spanish Prog albums?
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: January 26 2023 at 10:15
I'm always surprised when these lists are started at how many people automatically zoom in on the 1970s--this despite the fact that an enormous amount of great progressive rock music has been produced since the 1970s. Heck, I would argue that in many instances a nation's 21st Century prog releases could eclipse those of the "classic era" 1970s.
Perhaps two lists--"Classic" and "Modern"--should be requested when posting these threads.
P.S. I'd love to see peoples' response to queries for favorite "classic era" albums or bands for the Tech/Extreme Metal, Prog Metal, Neo Prog, Post Rock/Math Rock, and Experimental/Post Metal subgenres. That would be a laugher. (As if progressive rock music hasn't progressed since the 1970s!!!)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 26 2023 at 13:17
^ I don't think there's much "automatic" in it, and anyway, it's everybody's own decision, while we won't get authoritarian, do we?
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 26 2023 at 15:36
BrufordFreak wrote:
Heck, I would argue that in many instances a nation's 21st Century prog releases could eclipse those of the "classic era" 1970s.
On what basis? I know only one country which that can be argue with some good reason, and that is USA...maybe Norway too.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 26 2023 at 21:37
David_D wrote:
^ I don't think there's much "automatic" in it, and anyway, it's everybody's own decision, while we won't get authoritarian, do we?
Something else, "my" national threads have been about personal faves.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 27 2023 at 02:25
Btw, to the opening poster David D, Spanish rock started a few years before Franco's death, namely in Catalonia (let's say from 1970 onwards) because of widespread tourism. I'd say that things changed after his death for the Basque area, because cultural repression was much stronger in that heavily different languaged provinces.
BTW, Franco himself was a Gallego (from Galicia, the province North of Portugal), a province which also have their local Gaelic language, like Asturians did as well, but didn't try what the Basque did; try to diminish the role/influence of the Spanish tongue (incidentally, this is what the Catalans are trying to do since the millennium and look where that brought them)
Apparently, (I just learned this in a documentary about Portuguese dictator Salazar), Franco's health had been a problem for some times and his stranglehold on all corners of cultural affairs had weakened (been loosened) in his last decade in power.
BrufordFreak wrote:
I'm always surprised when these lists are started at how many people automatically zoom in on the 1970s--this despite the fact that an enormous amount of great progressive rock music has been produced since the 1970s. Heck, I would argue that in many instances a nation's 21st Century prog releases could eclipse those of the "classic era" 1970s.
nothing automatic here, AFAIAC.
I didn't learn and start listening to many European countries' prog scene until the mid or late 90's, at the same time I discovered of Galadriel (neo-prog) and Amarok etc...
However, you're right that the recent avant-prog wave (October Equus, Ontalva, Amoeba Split and Kotebel is quite interesting, but their albums rank lower in my lists (gnosis 10 instead of gnosis 11 or 12), partly because I've grown a bit tired of late of avant-prog (Kotebel is not really avant as such, but close enough for comfort)
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 27 2023 at 07:18
BrufordFreak wrote:
P.S. I'd love to see peoples' response to queries for favorite "classic era" albums or bands for the Tech/Extreme Metal, Prog Metal, Neo Prog, Post Rock/Math Rock, and Experimental/Post Metal subgenres. That would be a laugher. (As if progressive rock music hasn't progressed since the 1970s!!!)
But I'll think about a thread concerning Post Rock/Math Rock.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 27 2023 at 08:09
David_D wrote:
BrufordFreak wrote:
P.S. I'd love to see peoples' response to queries for favorite "classic era" albums or bands for the Tech/Extreme Metal, Prog Metal, Neo Prog, Post Rock/Math Rock, and Experimental/Post Metal subgenres. That would be a laugher. (As if progressive rock music hasn't progressed since the 1970s!!!)
But I'll think about a thread concerning Post Rock/Math Rock.
I could come up with a shortlist of Post Rock bands I know of, but they're all Greek to me, quite literally.
2009: Afformance - A Glimpse to the Days That Pass - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kR0sEkwvlzpBFKJ53T9xDyVXs24Puxtdc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kR0sEkwvlzpBFKJ53T9xDyVXs24Puxtdc
2013: Afformance - The Place (EP) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mIGYZO1fjlHy4Fk1J5Ly3en4KjtHGJYVI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mIGYZO1fjlHy4Fk1J5Ly3en4KjtHGJYVI
2015: Afformance - Through Walls - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kiDrU1FC8EgNG7TMIi0n-4jQPCJ7l6Z7s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kiDrU1FC8EgNG7TMIi0n-4jQPCJ7l6Z7s
2017: Afformance - Music for Imaginary Film #1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbNV9D4jkVccN1CZ7dVXyl0HJINkDLoEE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbNV9D4jkVccN1CZ7dVXyl0HJINkDLoEE
2017: Afformance - Pop Nihilism - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mAahe82AIplgNmJAhEI_FUXTDkAgIz1Uc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mAahe82AIplgNmJAhEI_FUXTDkAgIz1Uc
2014: Deadfile - The City Over the Void - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nc1Gu1RLuEPN-KrYR6mk9QsTsWuknRZCo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nc1Gu1RLuEPN-KrYR6mk9QsTsWuknRZCo
2019: Deadfile - The Oddity of Human Structures - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQZyQYMAEcsD-x-q19MyCBXzRkCntd08Y" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQZyQYMAEcsD-x-q19MyCBXzRkCntd08Y
2012: No Clear Mind - Dream is Destiny - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mACJ6ODMfWR6HqedIpsF7OzQyOB16M69o" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mACJ6ODMfWR6HqedIpsF7OzQyOB16M69o
2013: No Clear Mind - Mets - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mw8wwp6mXDbsiZeZyP5-ybk2YYe4evYOk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mw8wwp6mXDbsiZeZyP5-ybk2YYe4evYOk
2016: No Clear Mind - Makena - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mI8SCe4bBLB4GZiVvKm2CDigyi0QJcW3c" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mI8SCe4bBLB4GZiVvKm2CDigyi0QJcW3c
2011: Sleepstream - A Waltz with the Seventh Crane - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6iyWauFfTEdL-9Eatl7FUahkXaZdeDJE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6iyWauFfTEdL-9Eatl7FUahkXaZdeDJE
2014: Sleepstream - They Flew in Censored Skies - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQPsqAtI56At4gIqOMiBmWdvDMGVpnqac" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQPsqAtI56At4gIqOMiBmWdvDMGVpnqac
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 27 2023 at 08:17
What the f**k, Paul, are you about forgetting to think of the OPs?
How about listing some more Spanish albums? You've only listed two:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
1970: LA MOSCA (The Fly) - Npk2 (Proto-Prog • Spain) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5dd8DYFsr4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5dd8DYFsr4