Pawn Hearts is the most popular album on PA!
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Topic: Pawn Hearts is the most popular album on PA!
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Subject: Pawn Hearts is the most popular album on PA!
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 00:25
As the subject says, the legendary album by Van der Graaf Generator is the most popular one on the site right now. Has there been a reissue recently, or there is just a common spark of interest for this grandiose sonic journey? Maybe this could be a reason for this post to become a 'Pawn Hearts' appreciation post? I personally adore the album, it scares the hell out of me, and is one of the most satisfactory experiences when you have some good headphones on!
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 00:54
It's quite a journey, but perhaps its popularity on PA is also because of its controversy. I imagine Genesis fans reading review after review in order to find a clue of why any-one would listen this nightmarish record. I myself love the album. It also serves as a great cathartic experience for coping with a brain-melt caused by everyday live.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 02:15
I don't need to say anything... my username says it all.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 03:07
It's because Pawn Hearts is a 6/5 record and SEBT is only 4/5 because of More Fool Me .
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 03:08
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I don't need to say anything... my username says it all. |
well, you still said something.
God knows how that "most popular album (last 24 hours) works, I think it's the most visited album page in 24 h or something.
But it's a solid album, why wouldn't it be popular ?!
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 03:43
The stats constantly change on PA.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 04:41
It's a conspiracy. Peter Hammill has been visiting the Pawn Hearts page and hitting F5 to bump it up to number one.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 07:21
Boooo! Put it back to that Serge Fiore album that seems to just chill at that top spot every other week!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 07:27
it turns 50 years old in coupla months, so maybe an anniversary deluxe edition boxset is on the way with Steven Wilson remasters and all
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 08:27
Well it's certainly not popular with me. I'd rather drink the contents of a bedpan than listen to it.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 08:43
Hercules wrote:
Well it's certainly not popular with me. I'd rather drink the contents of a bedpan than listen to it. |
Well..it's only rated at #12 in the best of all time list. I have an original vinyl as well as a cd version...rarely play it....but I will say it is a 'unique piece of music'.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 08:43
Hercules wrote:
Well it's certainly not popular with me. I'd rather drink the contents of a bedpan than listen to it. |
that's harsh, gross and unnecessary...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 08:49
I love the album.
It can be divisive, much like the contents of Hercules' bedpan, which may be ambrosia (nectar of the gods) to some and utterly unpalatable to other tastes.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 08:52
My girlfriend was pulling out records based on the cover the other day for us to listen to. She grabbed that album and I was just like "yeaaaaahhhh that might not exactly be your cup of tea." Maybe one day if she spends enough time with me
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 09:13
friso wrote:
It's quite a journey, but perhaps its popularity on PA is also because of its controversy. I imagine Genesis fans reading review after review in order to find a clue of why any-one would listen this nightmarish record. I myself love the album. It also serves as a great cathartic experience for coping with a brain-melt caused by everyday live. | I like that way of putting it, quite accurate.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 09:28
It's an OK album, I would not go so far as what Hercules said but I can for sure appreciate his comparison, plus its funny as hell. We need more of that honesty around these parts, prog is too pretentious and all that usually.
I have a repress from 1972 on the large mad hatter Charisma label, non pink, gatefold version mastered at Bell Sound in NY.........I spin it 3-4x a yr probably. The inside gatefold pic he's holding a watermelon looks like, freaking weird people man!
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 11:41
I just recently bought this (I also recently acquired He to he and the least we can do) on cd(yes, I still buy cds). I had them all a long time ago but foolishly sold them because I thought I needed the money.
Anyway, Pawn Hearts is currently number 12 on here and not number 1. Not sure what chart the op was referring to.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 11:45
Not sure what chart the op was referring to. |
I'm pretty sure it's the " MOST POPULAR ALBUM (last 24h) " thing
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 11:51
Hrychu wrote:
Not sure what chart the op was referring to. |
I'm pretty sure it's the " MOST POPULAR ALBUM (last 24h) " thing |
Oh I see. Well, lot's of different albums pop up on that. In fact some on here have speculated that it's related to advertising or something like that or that people pay to have their albums show up.
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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 05:12
Great album, not best, and also not nightmarish or weird at all for me.Am I missing something? Do I need to be on an acid trip like the rest of you?
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 06:43
"Pawn Hearts" is a masterpiece. In my personal top 10. Of course number one is "Fairy Tales" by Mother Gong.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 08:29
friso wrote:
It's quite a journey, but perhaps its popularity on PA is also because of its controversy. |
controversy?? Goddamn right.
since you are on the right track.. one I've tread with this album for years on this forum... can you elaborate why you think it is controversial. See if you get a 2nd clappie
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 09:18
^ Inner gatefold.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 09:20
I'll be listening to it this weekend. I recently bought it again and it's been a long time since I heard it.
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 11:53
Pawn Hearts imho is a incredible spiritual journey
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 10:33
so no one complaining about that Kayak album as the most popular?
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 13:01
Ok, I just listened to Pawn Hearts today for the first time in many years. I stopped after lighthouse since I didn't feel like listening to the bonus tracks(for me they should always be separate listenings). Anyway, I'm not sure what to think. I'm definitely going to need to listen to it again and maybe give it several listenings before I can completely get it and enjoy it. It's not bad and I can see why it's considered a masterpiece but it can be a lot to take in. I also listened to the previous two over the past couple of days and have more or less the same impression. VDGG isn't a band for everyone but I think they are one of the most special prog bands of all time and definitely one of the most unique. No one sang with as much angst and passion as Peter Hammill imo.
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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 16:21
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
No one sang with as much angst and passion as Peter Hammill imo. |
I agree. No one quite like him.
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Posted By: Old Father Thames
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 17:15
friso wrote:
It's quite a journey, but perhaps its popularity on PA is also because of its controversy. I imagine Genesis fans reading review after review in order to find a clue of why any-one would listen this nightmarish record. I myself love the album. It also serves as a great cathartic experience for coping with a brain-melt caused by everyday live. | I consider myself one of the biggest Genesis out there and I love VDGG and all of their material. They're one of my favorites.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 17:30
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 17:51
I see more of a connection(at least musically) between VDGG and King Crimson than I do with VDGG and Genesis. They all had dark elements in their music though.
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Posted By: Old Father Thames
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 08:56
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 14:01
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I see more of a connection(at least musically) between VDGG and King Crimson than I do with VDGG and Genesis. They all had dark elements in their music though. |
I think the main connection between Genesis and VDGG were they were both part of the Charisma label stable.. Tony Stratton Smith had the same kind of intense gut response to their music so developed them in a similar way (and sent them both out into emerging european markets).. but then he also felt the same about Lindisfarne (who actually generated some money for the label rather than debt!).. Imagine being on the tour bus of one of the '6 Bob' tours circa early '72 with Lindisfarne, VDGG and Genesis.. Peter Gabriel, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks sitting at the front, eyes forward, nervously hugging their hamper whilst Phil Collins and Steve Hackett hang out at he back with Lindisfarne supping their Newcastle Brown ale and VDGG lounge in the middle creating exotic herbal smells!
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 14:04
Is that how they were actually sitting in the tour bus or is that just your interpretation of how it was?
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 11:22
I'm paraphrasing various written and verbal accounts from sources such as the VDGG 'The Book' ,Richard Mac Phail, various other books and articles on Genesis and the Charisma label and from other Charisma label artists such as Chris Adams of String driven thing and Alan Hull of Lindisfarne. And yes there's a bit of my own imagination in there too (the hugging the hamper bit certainly)
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 11:26
Arc of Life, new supergroup, barely released is the MOST POPULAR ALBUM (last 24h)no comments?
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 14:41
^ The name "Billy Sherwood" is attached to it, that should tell you everything you need to know about that dumpster fire album.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 24 2021 at 05:23
Arc of Life deserves merely a 3 word review. Arc of Shіt. xD
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 24 2021 at 05:28
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 00:01
Cristi wrote:
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know. |
Is there an actual algorithm in place, or is it like if five people in an hour search the same thing the site deems that MASSIVE TRAFFIC! Lmao.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 01:04
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
Cristi wrote:
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know. |
Is there an actual algorithm in place, or is it like if five people in an hour search the same thing the site deems that MASSIVE TRAFFIC! Lmao. |
it's PA best kept secret how that works. I do not know but it is strange and funny which is fine. I'm looking forward to the next controversial album that end up there.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 01:59
Cristi wrote:
Arc of Life, new supergroup, barely released is the MOST POPULAR ALBUM (last 24h)no comments? | Just heard the singles... All I can say is, it sounds pretty bad. Corny and cringe, I would prefer to avoid this record.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 02:02
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 03:57
Posted By: Un Amico
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 03:26
I have been listening to Pawn Hearts since 1974 or thereabouts...it's still one of my go-to albums. I also corresponded with 'Pawn Hearts' the Ph and VDGG Appreciation Society for a spell back in the early Eighties. I still have a few issues of the fanzine and one of these days I may post photos of them if anyone is interested!
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 04:36
Cristi wrote:
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know. |
I often wonder what the algorithm is that works this out, or if there are just a whole heap of lurkers? Shiva the Destructor was the most popular for two or three days(!!!) and, even though I like the album, it’s not *that* impressive. I think only Uwe and I have reviewed it on PA, so it’s not like it’s flavour of the month or anything. Weird....
The only thing I could think, when it came to Shiva, is that it was “legitimately” most popular (for whatever reason), and then once it was there, people clicked on it because of the cover art, which kept it there longer than it might have been there otherwise (because it is quite catchy cover art).
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 04:40
nick_h_nz wrote:
Cristi wrote:
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know. |
I often wonder what the algorithm is that works this out, or if there are just a whole heap of lurkers? Shiva the Destructor was the most popular for two or three days(!!!) and, even though I like the album, it’s not *that* impressive. I think only Uwe and I have reviewed it on PA, so it’s not like it’s flavour of the month or anything. Weird....
The only thing I could think, when it came to Shiva, is that it was “legitimately” most popular (for whatever reason), and then once it was there, people clicked on it because of the cover art, which kept it there longer than it might have been there otherwise (because it is quite catchy cover art).
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could be just the album that gets the most clicks in 24 hours. I'm looking forward to the next controversial 24 hours most popular album.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 04:41
Cristi wrote:
nick_h_nz wrote:
Cristi wrote:
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know. |
I often wonder what the algorithm is that works this out, or if there are just a whole heap of lurkers? Shiva the Destructor was the most popular for two or three days(!!!) and, even though I like the album, it’s not *that* impressive. I think only Uwe and I have reviewed it on PA, so it’s not like it’s flavour of the month or anything. Weird....
The only thing I could think, when it came to Shiva, is that it was “legitimately” most popular (for whatever reason), and then once it was there, people clicked on it because of the cover art, which kept it there longer than it might have been there otherwise (because it is quite catchy cover art).
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could be just the album that gets the most clicks in 24 hours. I'm looking forward to the next controversial 24 hours most popular album. |
Up until Shiva, I assumed it was simply the most clicks in 24 hours. But for Shiva to have been there at all, let alone for longer than just one day, seems strange to me. Maybe there just weren’t many other clicks that/those days....? 🤷🏻♂️
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 04:42
nick_h_nz wrote:
Cristi wrote:
nick_h_nz wrote:
Cristi wrote:
now Gojira's new album, to be released in April is the most popular (last 24 hours).I feel like there's something wrong with that setting or there are a lot of lurkers on PA that check out those albums that end up there. I do not know. |
I often wonder what the algorithm is that works this out, or if there are just a whole heap of lurkers? Shiva the Destructor was the most popular for two or three days(!!!) and, even though I like the album, it’s not *that* impressive. I think only Uwe and I have reviewed it on PA, so it’s not like it’s flavour of the month or anything. Weird....
The only thing I could think, when it came to Shiva, is that it was “legitimately” most popular (for whatever reason), and then once it was there, people clicked on it because of the cover art, which kept it there longer than it might have been there otherwise (because it is quite catchy cover art).
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could be just the album that gets the most clicks in 24 hours. I'm looking forward to the next controversial 24 hours most popular album. |
Up until Shiva, I assumed it was simply the most clicks in 24 hours. But for Shiva to have been there at all, let alone for longer than just one day, seems strange to me. Maybe there just weren’t many other clicks that/those days....? 🤷🏻♂️
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are you annoyed by those albums there or you find it funny (I do)?
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 05:04
Cristi wrote:
are you annoyed by those albums there or you find it funny (I do)? |
Annoyed? Heck, no! Amused and intrigued, if anything. I guess I find it interesting to see what is there, but I don’t really care or think about it otherwise. Most of the time I don’t really even remember who is there. I think the only reasons Shiva struck out are because it has such eye-catching artwork, and because I had recently reviewed it. 🤷🏻♂️
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 03 2021 at 09:22
Easily in the Top 10.
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Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 09:43
Excellent album. In my TOP 15 prog albums ever, maybe top 10.
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 12:22
Not so much my thing tbh.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 12:24
it's so funny that this has become a VDGG/Pawn Hearts thread.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 13:20
Now it's Godbluff.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 16:19
By the way: There are not many albums that books were written about. "Pawn Hearts" is such an album. Considering what a huge success the album was in Italy it is not surprising the book was written by an Italian. There is, however, also an English translation of the book.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 00:43
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
Excellent album. In my TOP 15 prog albums ever, maybe top 10. |
Likewise!
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Now it's Godbluff.
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I'm not surprised!
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 01:43
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Now it's Godbluff. | Indeed!
So, let's take a look at one of the reviews: I don't know this guy but I have seen so many reviews (not necessarily by him) that are in the same vein... What does this tell me about the album?? Absolutely nothing. Some reviews really need to be 'cleaned' from PA. (Moreover, this does not even comply to the current rule of 100 words minimum, to be precise)
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 02:42
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Now it's Godbluff. | Indeed!
So, let's take a look at one of the reviews: I don't know this guy but I have seen so many reviews (not necessarily by him) that are in the same vein... What does this tell me about the album?? Absolutely nothing. Some reviews really need to be 'cleaned' from PA. (Moreover, this does not even comply to the current rule of 100 words minimum, to be precise)
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I don’t have a problem with that review. It tells me more than some far wordier reviews. Quantity is not always equivalent with quality. Moreover, the 100 word “minimum” is only in relation to the weighting of the rating. Shorter reviews are still allowed. And, as someone who suffers from verbal diarrhoea, and well aware my own reviews can be too wordy, shorter is sometimes better.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 03:48
Personally I think that particular review is pretty bad.
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