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Topic: Prog BolerosPosted By: zwordser
Subject: Prog Boleros
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:22
I've become aware of at least 5 Prog/Prog-related tracks that seem to be, to one degree or another, based on Ravel's Bolero. They all sound different, and don't always follow the original melody (Zappa's is probably the closest) but the thing they have in common is that they imitate that distinctive, kind of Spanish-march beat.
So, I'm just seeing what the favorites are, and guessing there are more (I thought Renaissance had done something like a Bolero, but couldn't find it--maybe I'm remembering wrongly ). Anyway, post if you know of any more.
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Replies: Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:33
Beck's is the best.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:40
All are good, but I have always liked KC’s.
For an “other”, though, since you asked.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:46
You missed Thijs Van Leer's version of Bolero
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:48
KC #1
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:49
nick_h_nz wrote:
All are good, but I have always liked KC’s.
For an “other”, though, since you asked.
From Russia’s http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6020" rel="nofollow - Arsenal .
Damn, that's quite good! Thanks for posting.
I might even vote for it (haven't voted myself yet), but I'll sleep on it. Others are good too.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:51
sorry to spoil the fun, but "The Devil's Triangle" is based on "Mars - The Bringer of War" from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:52
I’ve always thought Who Are You from Black Sabbath has quite a Bolero feeling to it.
And to be honest, it’s probably my favourite Bolero, so I should probably have voted for “other”.
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:53
BarryGlibb wrote:
You missed Thijs Van Leer's version of Bolero
Wow! this is just excellent too.
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:56
BaldJean wrote:
sorry to spoil the fun, but "The Devil's Triangle" is based on "Mars - The Bringer of War" from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite
Thanks for the correction. Mars is one of my favorite pieces from the Planets (which is my favorite symphony/orchestral work of all).
Still, it has that distinctive bolero-like beat I mentioned.
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 17:39
Echo & The Bunnymen's Nocturnal Me sounds very bolero-like to me.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 21:02
Kc fan so went with that Bolero...but being a big fan of Mr Walsh ...this version is rocky like Beck's, not true prog, but with some added material by Walsh. Bomber/Bolero/Cast Your Fate.....btw for those who don't know this lp.....buy it...it is a classic of rock .
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 16 2021 at 23:28
nick_h_nz wrote:
I’ve always thought Who Are You from Black Sabbath has quite a Bolero feeling to it.
And to be honest, it’s probably my favourite Bolero, so I should probably have voted for “other”.
Lol, I was JUST talking to a buddy about how that's my favorite Sabbath record, but that exact song is SO out of place and feels like studio filler so bad. Everything about it feels bad to my ears, and rushed, lol.
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 02:56
Crimson
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 04:14
Rush's Jacob Ladder is a bolero
Oddly, I never thought of Devil's Triangle as a bolero, but I guess it's a valid stance
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 04:20
Sean Trane wrote:
Rush's Jacob Ladder is a bolero
Oddly, I never thought of Devil's Triangle as a bolero, but I guess it's a valid stance
I think so too. While I can understand why it was pointed out that it was based on Mars, I think that misses the point. It definitely has that bolero feel to it.
There are actually quite a few boleros in rock and prog, and even more that use boleros within passages of their songs (particularly in the bridge).
I guess it’s a question of whether we are recognising boleros or Ravel’s Bolero?
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 04:29
zwordser wrote:
Thanks for the correction. Mars is one of my favorite pieces from the Planets (which is my favorite symphony/orchestral work of all).
Still, it has that distinctive bolero-like beat I mentioned.
It definitely has a bolero feel to it, and it’s definitely not the only classical piece of music about war to use that beat, and have the similarity pointed out.
Regarding his 7th symphony, Shostakovich reputedly said:
“I suppose that critics with nothing better to do will damn me for copying Ravel’s Bolero. Well, let them. That is how I hear war.”
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 05:12
ELP
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 05:25
Hackett's "Descent" from At The Edge of Light.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 06:14
KC's Devil's Triangle is my fave of these. ELP would be my second choice followed by Zappa.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 11:36
I don't know how many of you are familiar with this great song (originally by Violeta Parra) arranged in a bolero style by historic Chilean band Los Jaivas. The whole album Obras de Violeta Parra is highly recommended, especially to those who like South American prog with folk influences:
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 13:59
dr wu23 wrote:
Kc fan so went with that Bolero...but being a big fan of Mr Walsh ...this version is rocky like Beck's, not true prog, but with some added material by Walsh. Bomber/Bolero/Cast Your Fate.....btw for those who don't know this lp.....buy it...it is a classic of rock .
Like it. and it sounds proggy enough to me.
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:08
Raff wrote:
I don't know how many of you are familiar with this great song (originally by Violeta Parra) arranged in a bolero style by historic Chilean band Los Jaivas. The whole album Obras de Violeta Parra is highly recommended, especially to those who like South American prog with folk influences:
Wow, quite good, and definitely bolero-y. i only have one Los Jaivas album, so its nice to hear some of their other music.
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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:13
nick_h_nz wrote:
zwordser wrote:
Thanks for the correction. Mars is one of my favorite pieces from the Planets (which is my favorite symphony/orchestral work of all).
Still, it has that distinctive bolero-like beat I mentioned.
It definitely has a bolero feel to it, and it’s definitely not the only classical piece of music about war to use that beat, and have the similarity pointed out.
Regarding his 7th symphony, Shostakovich reputedly said:
“I suppose that critics with nothing better to do will damn me for copying Ravel’s Bolero. Well, let them. That is how I hear war.”
Wouldn't surprise me if Ravel was an influence on Holst, though I couldn't find any direct evidence (only that Schoenberg was). But also, as I listen to the Triangle again, the song structure (of building and repetitiveness) is more Ravel-bolero-like than Holst-Mars-like, at least to my ears. Definitely more ominous and war-like though, than any of the others.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:15
I love all of the listed Bolero variations that you have listed, but my favorite is the Zappa version, so I give him the sole vote (so far anyway).
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:16
Love that Jaivas song. The entire album is pretty amazing.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 14:17
zwordser wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Kc fan so went with that Bolero...but being a big fan of Mr Walsh ...this version is rocky like Beck's, not true prog, but with some added material by Walsh. Bomber/Bolero/Cast Your Fate.....btw for those who don't know this lp.....buy it...it is a classic of rock .
Like it. and it sounds proggy enough to me.
I'm a big fan of this one too. It is actually edited out on some albums, something to do with copyright laws I think. BTW, the "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" section is a cover too, for those that didn't know that.
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 15:59
Finally case me own vote, for Arsenal (other), even though I just heard it, really like it.
I'll have to check out more of this band!
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 16:25
zwordser wrote:
Finally case me own vote, for Arsenal (other), even though I just heard it, really like it.
I'll have to check out more of this band!
Unfortunately, I don’t think their Bolero was ever released on an album. It was a single only release, as far as I can tell. Glad you liked it, though. I almost voted for it myself.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 19:30
For me, Bolero by King Crimson... though I don't hear much similarity to Ravel's Bolero, besides the name.
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 17 2021 at 19:31
BaldJean wrote:
sorry to spoil the fun, but "The Devil's Triangle" is based on "Mars - The Bringer of War" from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite
And besides that, if we are talking about King Crimson and their adaptation of Mars, I prefer the live ones when they still called it Mars, over the studio The Devil's Triangle.
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 18 2021 at 02:47
Rare Bird - As Your Mind Flies By - Flight has a Bolero section:
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 09:28
I was listening to http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10587" rel="nofollow - Detieti today, and Ravel's Bolero appears within the Cocaintro to their 2018 album, Frogressive Punk. Make of it what you will. I quite like this band, but definitely others may not be so enamoured....
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 10:23
Raff wrote:
I don't know how many of you are familiar with this great song (originally by Violeta Parra) arranged in a bolero style by historic Chilean band Los Jaivas. The whole album Obras de Violeta Parra is highly recommended, especially to those who like South American prog with folk influences:
Oooh, I like this. Very different from the Detieti I posed an hour or so ago!
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 10:31
KC's The Devil Triangle. It's actually a terrible bolero but a great song.
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Posted By: HarryAngel746
Date Posted: March 02 2021 at 12:47
Song "Armada" by Australian band Rainbow Theatre contains "Bolero" section (hmm... which sounds veeery familiar )
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