Why are prog fans such music snobs?
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Topic: Why are prog fans such music snobs?
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Subject: Why are prog fans such music snobs?
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 14:41
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Here's a poll I stole directly from 2005!  Yes, such a poll was active in that year and got 193 votes in total. The question and the poll options are exactly the same, and I think this is a theme that after 14 years is still not resolved, if I may say so. Let's see if the forum is more active today, pick an option and keep the discussion going. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:00
| who made it back then? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:06
Well...I'm not sure they are...I would ask you to say how they are snobs ,and be specific. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:08
I don't think you are meant to take this poll this seriously.
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dr wu23 wrote:Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:09
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The poll needs an "all of the above" option... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:09
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I would add a few more: - Music strikes a more essential chord within us than average people - We invest much more energy into our musical listening - As failed musicians, we all appreciate those that can do astonishing things with their instruments more than we can - Because we lead such monastic lives (including possessing exceptionally high degrees of ineptitude in interpersonal relationships), we have nothing better to do - Because life imitates art and all prog rockers are arrogant, self-possessed snobs ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:10
Fair enough..then let's move it to 'just for fun'.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:21
Exactly... please!
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:24
A guy named Jeremy Spade, it says he is a forum newbie with 33 forum points, so the guy went quickly through PA (But had quite the response to his poll)
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:36
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Discontent is being oriented towards the author... So, for 14 years prog snobs have become more sensitive and more touchy. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:38
Yes, this is a moronic poll, of course, but to be serious, we have a superior taste...  ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:43
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I believe there is some kind of snobbery in most envionments, but the type of snobbery differs, depending on values, artistic references, and especially the context. For instance, a lot of music critics look down at prog rock. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 15:53
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I think we are mutants that have an undiscovered gland that secretes dopamine every time we hear music with shifting time signatures that persists for 7 minutes or more. But that's just me. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 16:05
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I"m a god and thus better than everyone else, k. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 16:35
| Superior taste, obviously. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 17:56
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Where's the option for Full-Wit? -------------   
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 23:06
It's not that we are snobs - we are superior music listeners and cannot help it if we try to enlighten the unwashed masses. It is THEIR failure. We are the victims here.  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 23:12
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Evidently, you've never spoken with "jazz guy". ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 13 2020 at 23:13
roflmao
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 00:26
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Yes. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 01:20
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What`s the question again ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 02:56
Is Pink Floyd prog rock? JK guys calm down. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 03:22
Hardly a monopoly of progheads, IMHO. Plenty of punkheads or rapheads feel the same way
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 03:22
Do you really want to start this conversation... again?
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 03:23
You should ask Jeremy Spade... he did not foresee it
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 03:36
No, I've honestly had enough of it. The mere mention brings back nausea LOL. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 03:41
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ROFL, agreed. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 04:05
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TBH I don't think prog rock fans are snobbish enough. Personally: not only do I despise all music that isn't prog, I also despise all prog that isn't RIO / avant, and all RIO / avant that isn't made by dedicated Marxists, and all RIO / avant that's made by the wrong kind of Marxists, and all RIO / avant that's made by the right kind of Marxists, but doesn't feature the bassoon. It makes life so much simpler...
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 06:24
| It's all a matter of personal opinions. Some think we are great, smart people, other think the opposite, just like we think the same about others. |
Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 06:44
| I have found prog fans in the main to be non snobby. In fact compared to say Dylan fans or classical fans they are the salt of the earth guv. |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 09:22
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I find that often the worst offenders Avant, Zehul and Krautrock fans tbh, I like all those genres, i'm just a fan of music. I love prog, pop, hip hop, folk, classical, jazz, Death Metal etc etc. If you don't like something just don't listen to it and don't go on a rampage trying to tear it down for people who do. I'll never understand people who go out of their way to hate on particular albums, some people just listen to music actively looking for something to dislike. What can you do? I knew a guy who refused to listen to any alternative rock because he didn't want to "associate with alternative rock fans," and refused to listen to anything I recommended him, including Camel, Hatfield, National Health because he said he couldn't enjoy anything unless he discovered it "organically." The irony was that he always raved about how great Egg and Dave Stewart was... the irony, dropped that clown as a friend. Just accept that lots of people are ok with just being casual music fans and listening to whatever's popular or easy to listen to, nothing wrong with that. We all hear music differently and we all listen to music looking for different stuff out of it. Just appreciate this gift from the heavens and don't be "that guy."
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 13:28
| But, what IS music? |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 13:30
Organized sound.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 13:32
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Hm. Then it would seem no one has a monopoly on deciding what music is. Doesn't stop some people here from trying... (For the record, I would have gone with that definition too, but I was being facetious, hehe)
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Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: November 14 2020 at 23:56
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Each human is at a slightly different level of consciousness , we all question the universe from a slightly different perspective based on experience and what we are taught , prog fans seem to open up their mind to an infinite field of possibility and aren't limited at all by other people's opinions, the short answer is they tend to have a higher level of awareness and follow their gut instincts rather than what they are told to understand by the big corporate machine. Prog fans will dig deep even go into who produced the album who mixed it what equipment the artist is using, no other genre of fans does this which is why... we are smarter and often considered 'snobs'. Feel free to disagree with me but I've pondered this question for decades and I believe I`m on to something
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 00:16
| In France, be a prog fan is the first sign of senility. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 02:43
I didn't know that, but I'm going to use that as excuse...------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 02:59
People in other genres listen to music and deep dive the same way many prog fans do, especially metal fans, the type of music you listen to has no bearing on how smart you are and many of us listen to tons of music outside the prog sphere, including more simple music like pop and folk. You're being "that guy" right now with this comment.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 03:10
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TBH, metal fans are usually way more intolerable. I've been involved with plenty of bands from a variety of genres, and the most issues were with personalities in metal bands. Prog bands it usually comes down to simple disagreements in which style to emulate LOL. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 03:32
I've been a prog fan since I was a teenager, so, are you saying that I've been going senile since the age of 16? Probably explains a lot... ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 04:31
ce n'est pas vrai
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 07:11
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All of them. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 10:04
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So you don't agree most other genres of music have a time fashion frame but prog is timeless .. its not wham bam thank you mam its a more deeper understanding of a relationship between artist and consumer that is timeless doug ? only classical music can be explained the way prog is for the consumer its more than a fashion statement more about a personal relationship with you and the artist. BTW I`m not a prog snob one of my favorite bands is eagles
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 10:17
you do know this poll is a joke.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 11:04
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Well...it's still not in the just for fun forum. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:34
A joke??? Such a serious poll... I am offended strongly, Cristi.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:50
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It's a defense because so many people laugh at prog. ;) ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:53
most people don't even know what it is.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 04:10
My counter to that is the kind of people that are prog fans but are ALSO close-minded. Plenty of proggers listen to prog exclusively and crap on other genres, not realizing that they've traded a following of the "corporate machine" for a following of "superior" music. Everyone thinks they are following their instincts. But no one knows when they're subconsciously being influenced, whether it's by an outside force, or by their own pretensions/insecurities. I think the proportion of prog fans or other eclectic genre fans that scoff at commercial music without a second thought is about the same as the proportion of fans of commercial genres and sub-genres who would scoff at prog or generally non-commercial music. I think many tend to both vastly underestimate how many non-prog listeners are still adventurous, and overestimate their own intellect. A genre you enjoy isn't necessarily indicative of how open- or close-minded you are towards art forms.
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Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 06:57
I saw Pink Floyd in concert and Toto in the same month Toto blew Pink Floyd away in their musicality ...and Toto aren't on this site. 
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Posted By: ssmarcus
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:09
I can't help but wonder how someone like you can write a post like this with so much insight into the personality of a prog snob and yet still consider yourself socially inept. With this level self awareness, I am sure you are way more socially capable than you give yourself credit for. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:15
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it's hilarious to watch a few people taking this thread so seriously. sorry...
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:16
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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:20
Once they talk to me they bloody will lol. I won't shut up about it. Hey, I wonder why people don't want to talk to me irl? ------------- Levitating downwards, atomic feedback scream. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:24
good for you I guess...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:26
I've never imposed my tastes and point of views on music on anyone.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:42
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 07:45
ah, crap!!!!!!!!  |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 09:18
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Personally I listen to many different types of music, prog included. There is adventurous music within many genres, but also a lot of music that is not. F.e. I don't think highly of all prog either. But the thing is, some people are so burried in one type of music that they judge everything else based on that kind of music. F.e. I have heard jazzheads crap on rock music because they don't improvise as much. I also remember a Danish article about the revival of folk music, and the comment section was full of derogatory comments about "playing on combs and washboards" and so on. Obviously, those people didn't know that there is a lot of very sophisticated folk music out there. Or else, they didn't want to know because they felt the need to defend their own very narrow taste as superior. And if you don't have the agruments, what's more easy than to be derogatory and sardonic..
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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 16:30
Not only will I impose, but I will force them to sit in a white room and listen to free form jazz for 12 hours. Also, if someone doesn't like Gentle Giant, i'll beat them to within an inch of their life and burn their Grandmother's house down. That's how I do. ------------- Levitating downwards, atomic feedback scream. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 17:00
Agreed but I think twelve hours is a bit excessive. Maybe nine. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 17:18
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^ I am willing to compromise, but only if they are open and grateful for the whole experience I have gifted to them. ------------- Levitating downwards, atomic feedback scream. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 17:29
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Whenever someone gives me a chance to call them a moron and a half wit I'll do it. Imo, prog fans aren't any snobbier than fans of any other kind of music though. Also, most prog fans tend to be big music fans in general and like all kinds of music. I don't think I've met many who like only prog.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 00:17
This is what most have done.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 00:18
I mean, even I voted for that option.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 00:23
So all the sophistication involved in at least a GOOD prog rock composition just goes over the musicians' heads? It is interesting that you can manufacture a consensus that even the musicians themselves would rather parrot.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 00:56
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Clearly, It’s about artistic integrity, the rest of the world is daft ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 03:34
| Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I never noticed. Yes, I know a handful of rather haughty progsters, but they were old farts of rock anyway :):) |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 05:10
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^ Beware, they're still around, and not even hiding... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 07:43
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 07:51
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 08:10
Usually I'm the one being called names so it's nice to be on the other end of it for a change. Anyway, it's all in good fun of course. As Forest Gump might say though snob is as snob does. What I don't like this people thinking that prog is the only serious kind of music or the only kind of music that matters. Or that only one or two kinds of prog are important. Also, I see a lot of snobbery against neo prog and prog metal but not many other subgenres.
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