Gentle Giant vs Genesis
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Topic: Gentle Giant vs Genesis
Posted By: Cristi
Subject: Gentle Giant vs Genesis
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 05:54
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inspired by the GG song vs Genesis Whodunnit, let's have the two albums where they come from against each other. Just curious for the fun of it
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 06:24
| The Missing Piece for me, it also contains one of GG's best songs Memories Of Old Days. |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 06:27
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I actually like the Genesis Pop Records until WCD which still has some good cuts off of it. I don't vehemently hate either, in fact, I quite like abacab. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 07:00
| enjoy Abacab a lot---especially title song , Me and Sara Jane, Dodo and Lurker---with the exception of Whodunit ---so this is easy |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 07:12
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^ Jesus wept...admitting to liking "me and sarah jane"? Even my boyhood crush on Elizabeth Sladens Dr Who character cannot make me even consider a two second snippet of such an anti prog , lets try and make some money track from CRB... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 07:20
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The Missing Piece marks the decline of GG, but Memories of Old Days is one of the twin peaks in their catalog. Genesis was deteriorating rapidly at this point, but Dodo/Lurker is nevertheless great. I think I prefer GG here. ------------- 
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 08:04
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Probably Abacab is a bit better than The Missing Piece. But, neither of them are particularly good, especially in terms of prog.
------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 08:27
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Both are terrifically awful. ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 08:44
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Both albums are solid three star efforts, even with the filler on both of them. I give the nod to Abacab for Dodo/Lurker and Keep It Dark. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 08:48
| Good idea. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 09:38
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Neither. Both are "meh . . ." ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 10:05
| Giant by far. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 11:45
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GG, easy. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 14:41
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Not prime Gentle Giant, but it sure beats ABACAB. Might have been closer if you had chosen Civilian though. Nice to see another old Elizabeth Sladen fan out there!  ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 14:48
| Keep It Dark is one of my favourite Genesis songs, while the title track and Dodo/Lurker are excellent as well. The rest I don't care for much. Not that familiar with the GG album but like most people I just don't care for anything they did post Interview. Genesis at least still put some prog out up to We Can't Dance (Fading Lights is excellent imo) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 15:04
I think Civilian is much better, more interesting than Abacab. Oh well...
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Squonk19 wrote:Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 15:55
Like it or not  , I like 'em both. For different reasons, but I like them anyway.3-stars each.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 16:04
| Neither is the worst by either band so I voted "like em both." |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 16:05
Same here. I was just waiting for someone else to vote for that option first.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 21:30
Nothing can be as bad as Invisible Touch. Gentle Giant doesn't have anything bad.
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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 23:49
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I consider "Giant for a day" the worst of GG albums, and "Abacab" its awful but not the worst album by Genesis (for me its "Invisible Touch") if you include "Open Your Eyes" by Yes we have clearly the winner of the stinkiest album ever. I prefer "The Missing Piece" i enjoy 3 songs "Memories Of Old Days", "Two Weeks In Spain" and "For Nobody"
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 16 2020 at 23:57
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Abacab that so many people hate it? To me it seems like the most progressive of Genesis' 80s albums (yes, Duke included). ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 00:06
Abacab never clicks on me, for me its a mixed bag, its not progresive enough and its not a perfect pop album
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 01:00
Genesis were caught in the dichotomy of tryimg to appeal to teeny boppers whislst not alienating their current fanbase...the title is w**k the album art fookin awful and the musical content shallow and trite...but if you like it, play it...some people like all kinds of stuff that other people hate...but Don't try and preyend it is prog...it's not... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 01:00
Genesis were caught in the dichotomy of tryimg to appeal to teeny boppers whilst not alienating their current fanbase...the title is w**k the album art fookin awful and the musical content shallow and trite...but if you like it, play it...some people like all kinds of stuff that other people hate...but Don't try and pretend it is prog...it's not... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 01:52
How are Abacab, Dodo/Lurker, Keep It Dark, Me And Sarah Jane, and Man On The Corner not progressive? Weird time signatures? Check. Synth obsession? Check. Sci-fi/fantasy lyrics? Check. Unorthodox arrangements and multi-part structures? Check and check. Does No Reply At All just nullify everything else? ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 06:10
| If I'm given a choice, I prefer to listen to The Missing Piece over Abacab. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 08:48
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I prefer Abacab ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 11:48
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Don't own either LP....wouldn't play either LP. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 18:58
I... I like No Reply At All... it's fun. Wouldn't call it prog. Though the bridge progression is actually kind unusual for pop, as is the underlying driving keys riff, so I could consider it art pop. Same with Man on the Corner (though I'm not as hip to that one). Don't even know why I'm putting my opinion out there when it's probably going to get trashed...
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Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 19:40
| ^ I agree with you, Reno. And I agree with Jack (Sacro_Porgo). Abacab is a good (3-stars) album, with some excellent (4-stars) songs... but still one of my least favorite Genesis albums. No offense here. |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 20:40
Oh I love No Reply At All, excellent pop song! Those horns are golden. I think it's the least prog thing on Abacab (aside from Another Record maybe), so that's why I asked if it just nullified the prosiness of everything else. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 20:42
It doesn't make my absolute favorites either, but I'd put it a cut above We Can't Dance and Invisible Touch, and a few others. It's mid-tier for me really. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 20:52
But one thing for sure, "Another Record" is by far the worst last song on any Genesis' studio album.  What a sad/poor way to end this... record. What were they thinking??
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 17 2020 at 23:27
Well, I can't remember the last song on We Can't Dance off the top of my head, but Another Record is certainly in the running. I like the idea on paper. Give 'em a song that more or less tells them to play another record after this one, sure! But the execution is pretty limp and involves some story about some guy that feels pretty distinctly like he isn't me, so he's the one who wants to keep listening to records...the audience interaction kind of falls apart there. It's no Supper's Ready anyway, lol. EDIT: Oh yeah, We Can't Dance ends with Fading Lights, one of it's only highlights. Yeah I'll take that over Another Record. I'm not a huge fan of The Brazilian though...
------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: June 18 2020 at 01:06
It's easy. Creative artists are human like the rest of us. They don't have taps that the music just pours out. I think it was Benny Anderson of ABBA who said he would lock himself in the piano room for a whole day and if it produced 2 minutes of usable music he would be happy. Not everybody is like Elton John.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 18 2020 at 01:14
worst last song? I kinda agree, nothing special but still listenable. Brazilian is not that good either, again, a listenable song. The 80s synths and drums in the song almost ruin it for me, need a special mood for it.
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: June 18 2020 at 01:43
Dang, I hope he was exaggerating a bit. 2 minutes a day is hardly anything, not to mention it sounds like that's just the writing process! ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 18 2020 at 01:50
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I've heard most of The Missing Piece but not for many years. I would rate Abacab slightly higher, on the strength of Dodo and Me & Sarah Jane, but by Genesis standards I think it's a very weak album. After Duke, it was very disappointing. Genesis (Shapes) is much better. It has the edge only on Invisible Tough and CAS. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: June 18 2020 at 04:02
| why pick one of the few genesis albums I can't stand ? and I am not familiar with the missing piece ... so I better not vote though my gut feeling is anything would be better than Abacab. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 07:15
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I think they're both quite good ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 08:03
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Blimey, this one's been dug out of deepest Covid! Missing Piece... it's not great, but it's more in a vein with what went before and nothing on it hack's me off anywhere near as much as Abacab's excesses... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 08:09
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 08:20
I looked at the rating trajectory of the tail-end of their albums and really think its spot on. They could do no wrong until Free Hand; Interview was slightly sub-par to their extraordinarily high standards but still very strong, before the considerable drop-off to Missing Piece, which was very safe and lacked most of the eccentric creativity of what had gone before.... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 08:27
Neither is particularly good. 
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 10:44
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I have never managed to get into Gentle Giant, or Genesis - so bang go my prog credentials. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 11:56
Gentle Giant - The Missing Piece 
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: October 26 2024 at 15:16
| both below average |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 28 2024 at 12:09
| I voted for both. Maybe if there wasn't a both option I would go for Abacab but maybe only because my preference is for Genesis overall. |