Tull vs. ELP
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Topic: Tull vs. ELP
Posted By: Argo2112
Subject: Tull vs. ELP
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 14:31
| Two big names in prog. Who do you like? |
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 14:37
| Tull, simply because of Martin Barre. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 14:44
| I voted "both equally" because although historically ELP were in my top ten I think JT were just as good and just as important but both had some really great music and ultimately it's difficult for me to chose one over the other. I might lean slightly more towards Tull these days but voted for both anyway. Thanks for having that option. ;) |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 14:57
| ^ Yea, I thought this was a good match up, you can make an argument for either band. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 14:57
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Tull ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 15:13
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ELP by a huge margin -------------  
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Posted By: Mudpuppy64
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 15:29
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Tull |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 15:38
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Up to the first 4 albums by ELP I like them about the same but after that imo Tull runs away with it. So I guess Tull for the win. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 15:43
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Classic ELP: First album, Tarkus, Trilogy, Brain Salad Surgery (four albums) Classic Jethro Tull: Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Minstrel in the Gallery, Songs from the Wood (there's also a few other really good ones but those seem to be their best by most accounts). I think Tull has a better track record with more "good" albums but that's mainly because they recorded a lot more.
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 15:57
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ELP. Like Tull and probably play them more these days. Listened to those classic ELPs so many times, that I don't find the need really to play them as often any more. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 16:12
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I like Jethro Tull, specially when they play music more folk/blues than prog. In my opinion, Aqualung > Songs From The Wood > Thick As A Brick. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 16:24
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Tull absolutely. I find ELP to be mediocre ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 16:25
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Tull at their best (Stand Up thru Passion Play) beats ELP but otherwise I’m leaning toward ELP because there’s lots of Tull albums I find hard to get through. And yes, I also think Love Beach is hard to get through. Tarkus and Passion Play are 2 of my favorite classic-era prog albums so no slight meant to either band. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 16:32
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Tull... ------------- He neither drank, smoked, nor rode a bicycle. Living frugally, saving his money, he died early, surrounded by greedy relatives. It was a great lesson to me -- John Barrymore |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 16:57
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Tull. A much longer stretch of good albums. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 17:19
| Tull because ELP never made a near perfect album like Thick as a Brick |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 17:42
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Equal on this one. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 17:50
| I love ELP but here I have to vote for Tull. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 18:16
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Jethro ------------- |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 19:50
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I've heard a few Tull songs on classic rock radio and they were pretty good, but come on ELP is all time classic prog. Slam dunk vote here. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 19:56
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ELP. They only had one stinker to their name. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 19:59
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Tull are one of the wonders of prog. I'll never understand why these folksters are so popular. And I tried to, honestly. ELP easily. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trevorrabin/?chartstyle=basic10" rel="nofollow">  <a href="http://steveer.ic.cz" rel="nofollow" |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 20:47
What? Love beach? I guess you haven't heard in the hot seat.
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Rednight wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 20:48
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Both. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 20:48
It would be three if 3 had recorded as ELP. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 21:12
| Tull for me. Both have music that I love, but Tull has more. Strangely enough, in most cases I prefer the live versions of Tull songs, while with ELP I usually prefer the studio ones. |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 22:27
| Both Tull and ELP made excellent music. While Tull may have had a larger and longer run, I do wonder it is really makes sense to compare such unique innovators... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 23:53
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ELP are my favourite band and have been for about 43 years. Tull - need to listen to them more . TAAB is great and I like other albums up to about 1977. After that I don't care for what they did although ELP were not exactly tearing up trees either.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 09 2019 at 23:57
Never been that keen on ELPowell either. Love Beach would just be a mediocre album in my book. The band are still playing well but the songs are not great although For You and the first 2 parts of Memoirs are actually good as is Canario ( but I would have liked it to be a bit longer) . A Taste Of My Love is truly dreadful though and worse than anything on ITHS (even Daddy)
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 01:59
I like ELPowell a lot, more than when it was new. "The Score," " The Miracle," "Touch and Go" (even if the melody is borrowed, it sounds powerful as hell on synth)...great songs! I even like "Love Blind" and "Step Aside." I didn't get the CD bonus track cover of "The Loco-Motion." A loco choice!  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 02:24
| Jethro Tull for sure |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 05:49
| ELP. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 06:48
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Maybe Tull very slightly. There's probably more Tull that I enjoy than there is ELP, although I think the very best of ELP is slightly better than the best of Tull. Quite a tough one. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 08:25
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 10:54
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I liked ELP before I like Tull, but I find the folkiness of Tull more appealing nowadays and they were more consistent. But I will still go with ELP, because the albums that I do like from them have had more of a lasting impact on me. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 12:49
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love both ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 13:40
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Jethro Tull could have called it quits half a year before ELP even debuted and I would have still preferred them. I'd have Stand Up + Benefit (and This Was) and I like every song on those better than anything I've come across by ELP (except Take a Pebble which is lovely) |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 14:12
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Tull easily. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 14:16
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Tull by a mile lol. Elp got weaker by the album and were average by the fourth. Tull have countless amount of tracks per year. Many of their best songs weren’t even on albums. Thanks to the remixes Tulls mid 70s has improved and has caught their other great early and late 70s periods. Elp were strong for 2 years only ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 16:07
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The notion of Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery being "average" albums? Say it ain't so. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 18:41
hmm I liked where you were going...I thought you were saying it was truly miraculous how popular they were given how great they are...then I realized you were trying to equate popularity with quality, and I drove into the ditch Tull, easily |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 19:15
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Both ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: April 11 2019 at 09:44
| No love for ELP? Weird. I thought PA readers were smarter... |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: April 11 2019 at 11:11
So if you prefer ELP over JT, then you are smarter than the person who prefers JT over ELP?! I didn't realize intelligence was aligned with the appreciation of either ELP's or JT's music. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 11 2019 at 22:00
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Tull ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: April 11 2019 at 22:13
| Prefer ELP. Don't know why they lag so far behind Jethro Tull. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 12 2019 at 01:39
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ELP ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 12 2019 at 15:53
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Both a part of my later teens and picking a favorite is ridiculous. So I voted don't like either. (Just kidding) Now if I had the option of what the hell is amaata u? I'd have picked that one... heheheh ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: April 12 2019 at 17:28
Trilogy has some cool stuff but the cheese is setting in  Salad has about 10 good minutes for me ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 12 2019 at 20:16
Ha ha ha. Now this is another difficult one for me. ELP is a very important band for prog and I love the debut, Tarkus and BSS. I don't really mind Trilogy either. On the other hand, Tull were more prolific and amid their inconsistency, still produced a lot of great material. They are also an amazing gateway band for progressive rock. Finally, as a singer Lake is better than Anderson but as a frontman, Anderson is one of the best we have had in prog. He is simply uproarious. Man, the confidence to strut like a rockstar with his minstrel-like persona. So, all things considered, will have to hand it to Tull.
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: April 13 2019 at 15:08
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ELP, easy choice. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 14 2019 at 00:33
Me Too! ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 18 2023 at 16:28
| Jethro Tull |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 18 2023 at 16:33
| With 2 albums by ELP and 11 albums by Jethro Tull, the choice is obvious: ELP |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 18 2023 at 16:35
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Thing about ELP is they were an actual band of collaborators, and there was only three of them (much like Rush). Tull was a different animal. ELP this time. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: November 18 2023 at 16:53
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Depends on my mood, today... my vote goes to ELP... If I rank my favorite album by each.. Brain Salad Surgery is just a better album than Minstrel... In conclusion, Tull is more consistent, but ELP's highs are higher ------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 18 2023 at 17:02
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ELP ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 00:55
Both! 
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Posted By: Van Jackson
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 04:06
This right here.
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Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 06:47
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Fairly easy for me. Tull. But largely because ELP are the one big prog band that I just never really warmed to at all. ------------- Believe me Pope Paul, my toes are clean |
Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 09:00
| Jethro Tull |
Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 11:56
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Tull has more good albums and fewer duds than ELP, but BSS, Trilogy and Tarkus are ahead of anything in the Tull catalog before I get to Thick as a Brick. Rounding out the top 5 would be ELP's debut. Based on the strength of ELP's first 4 studio albums as well as two really good live albums, Welcome Back My Friends and Pictures, I'm going with ELP. Always found it interesting that ELP gets such criticism, even among fans of Progressive Rock and that they became the poster child of what was wrong with Prog. |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 12:14
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I've never been a Tull fan. TaaB is excellent, but other albums never entirely grabbed me. ELP on the other hand is excellent, despite some of their later albums. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 17:16
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Jethro Tull. I especially like Stand Up and Aqualung, two little masterpieces. But even A Passion Play, The Minstrell and Songs from the wood. I like Anderson's voice. In my opinion, Jethro Tull produced their best music when they played folk-rock and blues-rock rather than prog-rock. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 21:13
ELP were an easy target. Works Volume One may have been a step too far with the Piano Concerto for many but actually they were pushing upwards and onwards while the likes of Tull, VDGG, Yes and Genesis had changed nothing. Pink Floyd were the only other prog band that were actually also pushing but they had to deal with all sorts of sh*t at that time (1977) as well. For the most part ELP were more closely aligned with the heavy rock bands, just that they didn't need a guitarist because they had the late great Keith Emerson which was enough. I think it's a massive shame that so many prog fans blame them for prog's woes in the 70's but in reality it had more to do with a collective lack of new ideas and the moving towards fusion based rock which came across as just about the technique of playing and nothing else.
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Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 22:17
Richardh, Works Volume One should have never had a side dedicated to each member. In a vacuum, there is some good stuff to be found, but that should have been left for solo albums by each member. The group pieces on side 4, a great adaptation of Aaron Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man and Pirates, the last great piece of music from ELP make for a terrific side of music. If the focus would have been on making a single album, I believe Works would have benefited for the good. In retrospect, with the solo pieces Works is a disjointed album, at least for me. In a perfect world, Works would have been a single album with at least a decent side one to go with Fanfare and Pirates. That would have made for a very good album. Announce that it is their last album ( since they were already getting on each others nerves) and go out with a bang with a 77 World Tour. That would have made for 5 terrific studio albums and 2 excellent live albums in the rear view mirror. Document the hell out of the 77 Farewell tour, get some great live audio and video footage. Later release a live album of that tour. Later, still comes video of the tour with the obligatory box set with all sorts of live material and a book that goes into every detail of the Farewell Tour. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 22:54
Hindsight is a great thing as they say! I suspect that Carl Palmer came out worst for all this. He had a brilliant solo album to go if you include his Percussion Concerto 1. Percussion Concerto (with James Blades) 2. LA Nights (with Joe Walsh) 3. Food For Your Soul (with The Harry South Orchestra) 4. Close But Not Touching (ditto) 5. Bullfrog (with members of jazz rock combo Back Door) The potential Emerson and Lake solo albums were actually pretty dull and not as interesting (hence why they went down the band route I think) A group album would have been: 1. Fanfare For The Common Man 2. Pirates 3. Tiger In A Spotlight 4. So Far To Fall 5. Show Me The Way To Go Home but is missing at least one track, maybe two. When The Apple Blossom Blooms and Brain Salad Sugery were not new so perhaps they could have come up with Canario and For You, the 2 decent tracks from Love Beach. Either that or use the Lake/Sinfield songs from Works but have full band involvement. Nothing really lends itself that easily though imo. |
Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: November 19 2023 at 23:43
Canario is actually a good track off a not a good album. That added to Tiger in a Spotlight, Show Me the Way, So Far to Fall and For You makes for a pretty decent side of music. In my opinion, better than side 2 of Tarkus. Now, as good as Pirates and Fanfare are, they are not the title track from Tarkus. But, in the history of Prog, Tarkus is one of the all-timers. Further, Tarkus's legendary status is based on the strength of the title track to go with one of the great album covers. Still, in a make believe world, a reworked Works Volume One is a good album. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 20 2023 at 00:22
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I read Tull vs. Elvis. Then we'd have something. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 20 2023 at 03:08
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Jethro Tull. Both bands had their moments, but I think JT was more consistent over a longer stretch of time. If you want to get attention these days, you'll need a cement truck with a see-through mixer tank filled with TV dinners. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: November 20 2023 at 05:36
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The Tulls ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: November 20 2023 at 13:19
| ELP, if only for the debut album, the ELPowell album, and Black Moon, all masterpieces in my book! |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: November 20 2023 at 14:03
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I was leaning toward both, but lately, I've been listening to ELP, and
listened to Jethro Tull a lot more in the past, so I go with ELP
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 21 2023 at 08:01
I like this for the only reason that it's virtually 3 different bands. Black Moon could have been great if it didn't 'plod' so much but for me it's still a decent effort for a band that is way past it's best and it sounded really good when they played tracks off it live. However the versions of Changing States and Romeo Juliet that are on Emerson's solo album '' Changing States'' are way better IMO. Carl Palmer because of his health issues was doing a passable impression of a metronome by this point and could easily have been replaced by one. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 21 2023 at 08:19
Apparently Emerson was not keen to include Fanfare For The Common Man on Works at all. Maybe if they wanted to keep it 'orchestral' (or 'multi ensemble') based it could have been a decent single album going a slightly different way: Side One (Group) 1. Pirates 2. So Far To Fall 3. Show Me The Way To Go Home Side Two (Solo) 1. Honky Tonk Train Blues 2. I Believe In Father Christmas (original version) 3. C'est La Vie 4. Closer To Believing 5. Close but Not Touching 6. Food For Your Soul Side Two is still solo but has the 2 hits and the best of the solo sides and in general a nice mix of things. No place for Emerson's solo piece but then the symphonic Pirates makes up for that.
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: November 21 2023 at 09:50
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Both Equally. ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |