are Toto prog related ?
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Topic: are Toto prog related ?
Posted By: Enchant X
Subject: are Toto prog related ?
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 22:43
| Seeing Toto a few times live they seem pretty accomplished and proggy at times, so I was just wondering if we should base our opinions strictly on studio releases and consider each artist live as well. |
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Posted By: cemego
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 22:53
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Considering how many prog acts they have touched together and apart. And considering some of their longer songs, I would DEFINITELY say they are prog. I saw them double billed with Yes (with john davison singing and billy sherwood playing bass in Yes) and I saw a lot of people leave the Yes show. Being a lifelong Yes fan, I was completely disappointed, but the Toto show was INCREDIBLE. Need proof? Listen to the song Hydra, or the latest Toto XIV album. You'll vote YES here after that! ------------- listen to streaming stuff! no commercials! http://wmom.servemp3.com:8000/listen.pls |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 23:25
| prog related - yes. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 00:15
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 07:44
| I would considered them for prog related at least. If bands like Iron Maiden, Santana, Metallica and others have made it, certainly they have a spot in the wide range of prog music. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 08:16
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Prog-related at best . . . ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 08:23
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Jeff Porcaro plays one song on the Wall, and they all have played with prog legend albums. They also have similar sophistication of Steely Dan, except they got a heavyer edge becouse of Lukes influence. -------------  
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 08:36
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Definitely prog releated. Some of their earlier material was prog based and the Porcaros have worked with other prog bands. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 08:50
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Prog-related? Sure. But something doesn't have to be "prog" for me to like it. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 08:59
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Most proggy album by Toto: 1) Hydra 2) I 3) Falling in Between. 4) Turn Back The others? I would say no. If we consider the beginning, yes, prog related. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 09:00
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Anyway, Dave Matthews Band (Before These Crowded Street is perfect Crossover Prog) and Shawn Phillips are more prog related than Toto. And they're not here in PA. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 10:03
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While I think that Toto has some Prog relation (both musically, say on Hydra, and in terms of involvement with Prog musicians), that doesn't mean that I think that it should be included in Prog Archives. I'm not familiar with the "live" work. By the way, while I have heard Hydra and a smattering of Toto tracks, the only album I have owned which would fall under Toto's discography is the Dune soundtrack -- Brian Eno's "Prophecy Theme" would my favourite off it, although I am very partial to "Take My Hand" even if it is rather schmaltzy. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 19:07
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For me only for the Dune sountrack heheheh. Which BTW is the only Toto album I have. On a side note from the same year I also have my only Eurythmics album - the 1984 soundtrack which I also find progressive. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 19:34
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Yep, HYDRA was their crossover prog album but really the only one. Sounds sorta like Steely Dan meets Saga. Not sure it's enough for anyone to add them to the site though because they are still primarily based in pop and funk and hard rock with progressive to touches. You'd have to convince an admin and i hear prog related is a very hard category to push through these days. Personally i can live without them here. When i think of TOTO i can only think of "Africa" and "Rosanna." -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 02 2019 at 01:32
I would prefer they're not in here as well. Are they "prog"?? certainly not Are they "proggy"?? IMHO, no Do they have proggy moments?? Well even The Rolling Stones, do!!  
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Man With Hat wrote:Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 19:59
| Actually, I'm surprised they aren't already on here as prog related. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 21:10
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Not only Hydra contains prog songs: here Girl Goodbye from Toto I ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 22:07
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The band once played in Wichita, and then flew to St. Louis. I guess you could say Toto wasn't in Kansas anymore. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 22:27
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Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 22:37
| Girl Goodbye has very catchy drum and bass guitar work, keys aren't bad either there are several prog related moments in totos discography but just not enough to make them prog related, but I'm glad I've seen them live a few times , they like to indulge a lot more in the area of prog related when playing live obviously amazing musicians. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 01:05
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Related or crossover. And back. I'd love to see Toto here... we'll see... |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 17:20
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 14:13
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Three of 'em (I believe) played on Jon Anderson's In the City of Angels, and it still sucked. A resounding no! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 14:53
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Toto is one of very few bands to have Miles Davies as a guest artist, late in Miles carear/life in 1985 on "Don't Stop Ne Now" -------------
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Posted By: gbjones
Date Posted: September 21 2024 at 19:13
| Definitely prog related. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 21 2024 at 19:31
This. I have three of their albums (well, one is a best of). I'd say they are probably at least as much prog as Asia and they are on this site (under prog-related I think).
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Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: September 21 2024 at 21:32
| The soundtrack to Dune is fairly reminiscent of Goblin regarding the style of playing on keyboards, guitar , bass and drums. If you listen to the entire soundtrack it's obvious that they have the potential to be Prog. ...however they were never considered Prog because they had hits. It's a tough call...but if you are patient and listen to Dune you should get the impression that they are Prog sounding throughout the album.. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 21 2024 at 22:20
| I voted when the poll was originally around but didn't leave a comment. I would say ''NO''. The comment about Asia doesn't feel quite correct to me. I've seen both Asia and Toto live. Asia on their pre Phoenix comeback tour played stuff like ELP's Fanfare For The Common Man while the debut has out and out prog tracks such as Time and Time Again as well as Wildest Dreams and Sole Survivor. Toto are well embedded in the AOR scene and were incredibly good at it. However the best thing I've ever heard by them was Boz Scaggs Lido Shuffle which they all pretty much played on. Great musicians and I appreciate that a couple of them were at the Keith Emerson tribute concert in the States. If ELP had wanted to expand to having a full time guitarist then Steve Lukather would have been one the best options. |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 21 2024 at 22:36
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I love how polarizing this poll is. 🤣 I personally choose not to vote as I don't have a strong opinion. ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 22 2024 at 01:33
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I'd say Yes, but only remotely... ------------- 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 22 2024 at 03:46
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Are Toto Prog Related? Hold the Line (I'll get back to you later).  |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 22 2024 at 12:06
| Lot of very well crafted Lps/Songs nevertheless not a prog band anyway |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 22 2024 at 13:48
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Yes. Not a prog band, but quite a few prog-adjacent tracks. I invite you all to revisit Africa. Really complex structure throughout, and a far cry from the four-chord songs that shape the world of Pop/Rock nowadays. |