The Musical Moron - rise of the Non Musician
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Topic: The Musical Moron - rise of the Non Musician
Posted By: Davesax1965
Subject: The Musical Moron - rise of the Non Musician
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 03:50
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I don't know if other people here have had this problem - "working with idiots who think they're musicians". For nearly ten years, I worked opposite someone I can only describe as a functional moron. He'd had a guitar since the early 60's - changed his strings once (after they'd been on 25 years) - had to get a shop to do it. He could jingle - jangle a few chords, so this naturally made him a musician. As such, he used to delight in telling everyone else he worked with that "he and his mate were doing some "Jamaican ska" (q.v) version of Money Can't Buy Me Love".... he rattled on for hours and hours and hours, "impressing" everyone, until I asked him what key he was in. "I don't know" he said. The man was frankly an imbecile. Every day, he'd be talking about how all electric guitars sounded the same, barre chords (and bending strings) were unnecessary, a 5 watt tranny practice amp was at least as good as a valve amp... basically, he wasn't interested in learning, but appearing to be able to play to impress people with zero knowledge at all. He'd try and strike up a conversation about music, steer it around to the little he knew and sit there with Wikipedia in front of him, reading from the page to try and make it look like he knew what he was talking about. After several years of listening to him talking about "wah wah kick boxes" and how he should record something in 7/4 (he tried doing a version of Black Magic Woman once, it took him seven months) I turned around and said, "Do you remember in the first few weeks of meeting you, I said you should perhaps try learning the blues scale ? " "Oh yes, but I don't want to learn blues. " "Yes, well, you were going on about having a jam in a minor pentatonic scale last week." "Yes...." "That's the blues scale.So. You've basically ignored me and wasted seven years. " And so on and so on and so forth. I eventually said, look. You've had a guitar for nearly 50 years, lying under a bed, gathering dust. I can guarantee I can show you something in two minutes which will take you further than occasionally playing scales up and down ad infinitum. But. You won't listen, you won't do it. So there's no point. I spent ten years wanting to bang his head on the desk and then strangle him. You'd go in every day and he'd be going on about "how he'd had a question and answer session with his mate" or they'd "been playing through a new red kick box". Anyone else come across people like this ? Because, at the end of the day, most guitar janglers and tab followers have no idea of how to actually play an instrument. They fail to learn because they are all about ego... and fail to listen. If you actually want to learn, you'll learn. If you want to pose about, you'll do that as well. I'd rather learn. Sitting opposite a musician for ten years and learning nothing..... says it all. ------------- |
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 04:07
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I've had worse - I've actually PAID INTO being parts of signed/touring metal bands only to found out nobody could tune by ear, call pitch, or count time signatures without the computer program showing them how. Needless to say, I don't play with metal "musicians" anymore. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 04:14
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^Lol... I'm not a musician nor do I pretend that I am, but I really enjoyed your rant. |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 05:30
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More observation than rant. ;-) I wish I hadn't observed it. ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 05:38
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I might actually put a link up to one of his songs. I've played it to three people. All of them ripped their headphones off within two bars. The frustration wasn't that he couldn't learn, but just wouldn't listen. He drove me crackers for nearly ten years. Eventually, he just sat there blabbering away to anyone who would listen, which wasn't actually anyone, come to think of it, I'd just sit there and say "No." without looking up from the monitor. Yet still he bulldozed on. And on. And on. Lord above, on tour with metal nuggets who can't even tune up ? Hope it paid well. ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 10:03
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So what? Not everyone has the same skills, motivation, knowledge, practice, and time to become proficient, let alone master, an instrument -- or any subject for that matter. If jingle-jangling some chords and blabbing technical nonsense is his speed, let him! I'm sure he's happy. Your post sounds awfully judgemental and snobby, calling someone a moron, idiot and imbecile just because they're not as good as you.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 15:04
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Yeah that does seem a bit elitistic. So what if you can't tune by ear, that's what digital tuners are for. And I think we all know what is meant by a wah wah kick box even though the proper term might be dunlope pedal. As for the blues scale, it's a thing of the past anyway, we've had all of the twelve tones at our disposal for over a hundred years now! A lot of classically trained musicians can't play anything without sheet music, would you label them as "non-musicians" as well?
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 15:26
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There are enough people completely inept at the most basic procedures of survival, that run about trying to pull as many people as they can into their Darwinian vortex, (many of them in charge of important things) that simply not being good at or effectively engaged in one of the arts seems a rather wasteful target of the energy required for such palpable outrage. Merely thinking of my own energy reserves. Your results may vary. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 28 2019 at 16:31
He does alas... (says they can't improvise, ditto most brilliant songwriters in the history of popular music) Still, the OP at least provides evidence that virtue signalling is in rude health on PA  ------------- 
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Vompatti wrote:Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 01:26
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Where I sympathise with Dave is that I'm a believer in the notion that if you know nothing about a subject you should shut the f**k up about it. Knowledge and expertise are actual things, and there are few people more tiresome than the loquacious man with an opinion about everything and a clue about nothing. Then there is the irritation of enforced proximity to a co-worker who doesn't know when to to stop talking. Murder has been done over less. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 01:46
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Oh come on! Don't we all get annoyed by blabbering fools every now and then? If this is elitist snobbery I'm a snobby elitist and proud of it!
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 02:05
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Ladies and gentlemen: I am an ex teacher and lecturer. I go out of my way to help people who want to learn. It's very important. I've also got no problems with people not having the same ability level as me in certain areas. After all, I'm not an expert in everything. The difference is that if I know very little about something, I tend to shut up about it and am very grateful for any help in the matter. The bloke was an ex chemist. I know absolutely nothing about chemistry. I didn't find out the most minor thing about chemistry, decide I was an expert, trumpet it to all around for ten years in order to "impress the ignorant" and then try and steer conversations about chemistry (which I'd started) to "I think you should titrate that with benzene in a glass tubey thing. " Similar thing, if I was sitting opposite John Coltrane, I wouldn't tell him how to play sax based on my ability level. I'd shut the f*ck up and listen. ;-) Blues scale is incidentally a MUST starter for anyone learning to play guitar. And as for Mr Lemming saying I don't think classical musicians can play: no, they CAN play, they can't improvise, as a rule. I've been one. But there's no correlation between them and my erstwhile former colleague, believe me. ------------- |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 06:11
That man is head of our executive branch of government with millions of similar types around every corner that put him there. It would be a beautiful thing if they/he would just stick to being bad at music. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 06:41
Nah, the little boy who lives down 'faulty memory' lane ain't to be trusted. This is a flimsy strawman: Vompatti asked that if orchestral players can only play if provided with a score would you consider them 'non-musicians?' (neither he or I were asking if you thought they could or couldn't play) Your previously stated position on Vompatti's question is provided below http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=111431&PID=5472364#5472364" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=111431&PID=5472364#5472364 BTW Call me pedantic if you will but in the spirit of 'helping people to learn', I think it's erstwhile OR former (not both as they mean the same thang y'all...)  -------------
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 09:13
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Oh yes, pedantic. ;-) But I'll contend that one. ;-) But you're asking if an orchestral musician can be compared to someone who takes seven months to record the worst version of Black Magic Woman ever. ;-) Orchestral musicians ARE musicians. We then go into semantics about what makes a musician, of course. The problem is that there's only one term - "musician" - and that covers an entire spectrum. Including the jingle janglers. But what we're discussing here is someone of absolutely negligible skill level who spends his time bigging himself up to mammoth proportions. Jingle jangler he may be. OK, fine, so long as he realises he's a jingle jangler. But oh no, doesn't happen. I'd be fine saying "this is a fine orchestral musician" or "this is a fine improvising musician" (and there is a difference between the two, but what we are talking about is someone who is possibly the worst musician I've ever met in nearly 45 years, well, bottom five, who's bigging himself up by being at the wrong end of the Dunning Kruger scale. ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 09:14
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Incidentally. The "Little boy" is older than you, and, er, is a musician. ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 09:44
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I'm a drummer (insert drummer joke here) . I play out with a cover band on the weekends. I was never a full time pro but I do have a basic understanding of musical theory , especially when it come to things like rhythms & time signatures. I have played with several people over the years with little or no understanding of musical terminology. Can't tell you how many times I have said something like " catch the quarter note triplets before the break" & they tilt their head and look at me like my dog does when he hears a strange noise. |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 09:46
It's not "he's not as good as I am" it's "he's appalling and acts like he's a genius". It's like someone who drives to work every day suddenly thinking he's Mario Andretti and then talking about "the roundy wheel turner" to everyone in a tone of mock importance. "Oh yes, and the foot down pedal to make the engine turn about quickly." And it's not just about one person, as this also applies to others. ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 10:05
I certainly know what you're talking about. I've seen it ad nauseam on message boards. Some people will claim to know a lot about a lot of stuff based on little more than cursory glances at wikipedia pages. Thankfully, I don't come across many people in real life that are like that.
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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 10:22
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Great post! I'm a musician, and besides the chatter, what is annoying were all those who started to pick up instruments in the early 90s, and then after a handful of years of getting nowhere, they use auto-this and auto-that, instead of realizing it takes a lot of work. A lot of repetition, instead of putting it under the bed for 25 years because "it's hard" I started on drums (and later guitar, piano, bass to NOT have to depend on others), but I know less drumming nomenclature than the other instruments I mentioned. I don't care about numbers, I understand how a waltz sounds, but I think its a lot more accurate to tell the piano player to play a diminished chord, or "lower that third a half-step" instead of "gimme something more dark". ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 11:03
 That said, loosen up a little or just don't play with him. If he didn't think your advice was applicable, maybe it wasn't as far as his goals are concerned. Or maybe you didn't really demonstrate well enough how it could be applicable. People retain information they care about. What he needs to know is why he should care about the info that's being presented to him. No need to rant about him on the internet. What kind of music does he play? ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 11:14
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Semi related, I find those commercials with people and puppets and whatever else singing cutely off key irritating as heck. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Dragon Drop
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 12:21
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I once had a co-employee who was like that with computers. He thought he knew all about them, but OMG -- if his job involved using a computer, the company would have been bankrupt in 10 minutes. I think he was a night watchman or a security guard. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 14:37
We have our own versions this side of the pond too, sadly. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 14:46
Hilarious - ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 15:22
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This thread needs a soundtrack and a reminder of the reality of the world. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 02:23
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Thanks, folks. It's not - honestly - an ad hominem attack on one individual - there are countless thousands like him - not is it "just don't play with him" - it was more a case of - for ten years, not even being able to get away from him or pull him up. "Works environment". You know when some nut case appears on a show like "Britain's got talent" - and they're clearly utterly talentless and self deluded and argumentative ? Now imagine not being able to get rid of them. For ten years. I think I mentioned I've been a teacher, and I go absolutely out of my way to help anyone. If someone is interested in learning music, I will help them, no matter what. The world needs more musicians - proper ones. What it doesn't need is more people who THINK they're musicians, who show off the little they do know to appear "important". God, no. It used to happen back in the 70's and 80's, but with the rise of the internet, people are convincing themselves that watching a few YouTube videos and reading a few Wiki pages that they are some kind of authority. It seems to becoming endemic. Musical snob, no. Everyone on this forum enjoys music which is written and performed by people with a high degree of skill. Progressive music stands out like a rare island in a sea of mediocrity and lack of talent. Let's encourage proper musicianship and the dedication it takes to craft proper music. And hope the idiots all go far, far away. ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 03 2019 at 02:28
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As for "orchestral musicians are not musicians", which certain rodents on this forum like pulling me up about. Put an orchestral musician in an improvising jazz gig - they won't be able to play. Put a non sight reading jazz musician in an orchestral setting - they won't be able to play. Ditto for studio and live musicians (in a lot of cases). But that's not the argument here. The argument is that a chord jingle jangler is not any form of musician. They are someone who just plays by rote, it's like some kind of musical paint by numbers. Yes, they might enjoy jingle jangling, but when they start imagining that they're possessed of a massive talent, they've crossed the line of acceptability. The problem is that we only have one catch all term, "musician". Perhaps it's important that musicians create something. Where I think it becomes interesting is when they create something unusual and interesting - and it's their own work. ------------- |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 10:06
Peter Michael Hamel in his book ... FROM MUSIC TO THE SELF ... which is not a fun read for most of us, I do not think, since it is very academic and very much a book that puts down pop music and the aforementioned folks that do not know music. There was a joke in it, though that I have always remembered. There was an old man playing an instrument on top of the hill, and it had one string, and he kept plunking it ... and saying ... I GOT IT ... I GOT IT ... and everyone that came by would say ... WHAT's HE GOT? The only part that bothers me about the comment is not Dave's real thought though ... I think he merely means at least folks that want to communicate musically, SHOULD/COULD have a reasonable knowledge of something or other ... in order to make this communication work ... however, even Dave forgets one of the most important things in music ... and you can find it in Robert Wyatt's book, when they were recording Syd Barrett ... and after an attempt to record some song, one of the guys turned to Robert and asked ... what key is he playing in? ... and Robert says ... he don't know the keys ... he just plays! AND, if Robert is right, and I think he is considering his experience and expertise, I would imagine that Dave also needs to learn to listen to things, and not be so methodical about how he plays his OWN music ... and I think even other musicians, that are not as concerned with "keys" as they are with the flow of the material regardless ... and it's not like the 20th century was the one that took keys and threw them up in the air like Burroughs did with words ... it's not about "melody" necessarily is my thought altogether. I'm sure Dave will disagree with me on this. But I doubt that he will comment fairly ... his work is too "methodical" for my tastes, although it is VERY NICE and has wonderful moments!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 10:20
The only thing that scares me, Dave, is that the assumption is that the only thing that can possibly be called MUSIC, is the stuff that can be defined and delineated by the standards that music history has given us. The main issue, as I see it, is that this has prevented a lot of folks, HERE AS WELL, that will not listen to music from other cultures, because they do not "follow" the same music rules that are "established" ... instead of using what their culture taught them. This was specially bad in the 60's when a lot of African music became available and heard ... and a lot of folks were calling many of those things "not music", or "cheap music", or worse ... the old lady coming out of the EAST MEETS WEST concert our choir class went to see in Chicago, with Menuhin and Shankar, and in her group of ten women, of which she was undoubtedly the queen, she says ... "how can they call all that improvisation ... music!" True improvisation, is about no rules, no definitions and no structures ... with the hope of finding something within it. AND it WORKS, in theater with actors ... and I believe it also works in music, as exemplified by the early folks in Germany and what is considered "krautrock". But, eventually, we always return to "what we know" ... see that film tribute concert for Jaki Liebzeit ... and Michael Rother wanted to play without a rehearsal, and when you see and hear him ... it's like the early "krautrock" all over again ... not a single feel of "western music" ... and I doubt that many of them even gave a darn about which key anyone was in ... it just works together somehow ... and even with no structure being defined, there it is ... live ... in front of you! On a Bruce Springsteen special, the violinist SHANKAR, is playing with Bruce, and he stops and asks ... wow man, what key are you in? ... and he says ... you no worry Bruce, you just play and I join in on you! Hindu music has different structures and things that we do not recognize or understand, too! And I suppose that we could say ... listen to as well! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 11:52
I use the term differently ... "musician" is the bar professional, that sometimes most of the pop bands and folks around you and I, are ... unfortunately! The others, I call "artists" because they know a bit more than just "music" ... and how to color it so that it means something and it talks in its own language ... something that we all love! Musicians, are a dime a dozen, you could say, and the basic learning in school and college and university, does not an "artist" make whatsoever, although there are a lot of very good "technicians" that know how to cover their abilities so well, that it makes it hard to tell the difference ... in fact, sometimes it blurs the difference badly! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 17:49
We did disagree on this issue on a much older thread from which I did quote you earlier. Is a wombat/Vompatti a rodent? You appear to be getting us confused. It might be best you take the matter up with Vompatti -------------
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 20:17
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Hi, BTW, I would not call that person a "non-musician". I keep thinking that a DAW wannabe musician is probably more like it! Change this note and invent a human feeling ... hmmmm ... you think robots will do it better? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 21:04
As nouns the difference between marsupial and rodent is that marsupial is a mammal of which the female has a pouch in which it rears its young, which are born immature, through early infancy, such as the kangaroo or koala, or else pouchless members of the marsupialia like the shrew opposum while rodent is (senseid)a mammal of the order rodentia, characterized by long incisors that grow continuously and are worn down by gnawing. As adjectives the difference between marsupial and rodent is that marsupial is of or pertaining to a marsupial while rodent is gnawing; biting; corroding; applied to a destructive variety of cancer or ulcer. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 21:35
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I don't know what this has to do with Wombats, which are reptiles. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 02:28
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Just like ducks, then ? ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 02:30
Mosh, please refer back to the bit where I said that people who didn't know what they're talking about should kindly shut the f*ck up. You're right. I disagreed with you on it. ------------- |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 07:21
You just hate it when an argument shows up that goes against your form. The bad side of your comment is that I only quoted some other folks ... it wasn't about me ... so your comment is really unfair and mostly an acknowledgement that your opinion is not complete, and not as well thought out as you thought you had it! AND ... above all, you are pretty much stating that Peter Michael Hamel, and Robert Wyatt, or even Syd Barrett, are idiots that do not know music. and would not have a valid comment on the subject. PMH does, and he is not nice about it, but you would never even consider reading that stuff ... too haughty and knowledgeable for your tastes! AND ... btw, I didn't get personal about it. You did!
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Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 09:24
Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: March 09 2019 at 10:53
| I have been playing and learning guitar ,for over 10 years ,genius is a rare thing ,but even with a advanced skill ,one cannot have talent without commitment and experience.I do not profess to have talent but my skills have improved ,by having lessons and daily practice ,so the non-musician without knowledge or any kind of musical theory, cannot, really appreciate, the professional musician contributions. |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 04:10
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Hi Grantman, exactly. In the interim, we've got a prime example on this thread of someone with no knowledge of how to play an instrument telling someone who patently has that they don't know what they're on about. It's endemic on the internet - on every "music" forum you go on, there will be some idiot who decides that, since he's listened to a lot of music, he knows better than you do. Or can strum a few chords, hence "genius, look at me." I've now been playing a variety of musical instruments since 1976. Guess what ? I'm not a genius. I have a long way to go, nor do I know everything. But I know how much I do know, unlike a large number of "musicians" out there. The problem used to be that - pre internet, people could be privately stupid and didn't tend to dare ganging up on people with knowledge. You rarely got the Wandering Nutcase who would decide that he somehow knew everything. Now, Club Idiot has formed, large numbers of people can embrace the Stupidocracy and decide that their collective opinion is worth something. Anyone with knowledge is perversely seen as "elitist". I don't know about you, but if I had to have a kidney removed, I'd rather have an "elite" surgeon do it than someone off the top deck of a bus. This is why we get a mass of conspiracy theorists, chem trailers, anti-vaxxers and flat Earthers- they can all stupid together and there's strength in numbers (but still no value in their idiotic arguments.) So someone on a music forum can quite happily tell you how "easy bass is to play" and "only peole who can't play guitar play bass" with utterly no idea of what they're on about, having never picked one up. They're just repeating idiotic mantras which they've heard and fit in with their (badly thought out) opinions. Heaven forfend that reality should not actually match their own view of themselves. ------------- |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 04:28
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I guess to me it's so obvious when someone is blowing smoke that I feel sorry for them, pat them on the head, and hope they don't further embarrass themselves. Most people instinctively know when someone is talking through their ass. Learned or not, they can tell. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 04:39
Man, you just might be my favorite poster here. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 07:12
That is a gross mis-representation of what I have written about, or my supposed ... lack of knowledge ... a hospital director/manager is not a doctor ... so what? Your comment is based, solely and strictly, on the premise that if you play an instrument, you know music, when in this thread that is what you are complaining about ... people that DO play an instrument (and I do!), but can not talk music with you, or communicate, because they don't know this or that. You, are limiting the communication to one aspect of music ... not all of them, and I find it sad and sick that you are not capable of accepting that.
Also grossly incorrect. Again, you are assuming that I am saying that I know a lot about music ... no, in your terms I don't ... but in terms of having listened ... and I MEAN LISTENED INSTEAD OF NEEDLING IT, OR JUST SAMPLING IT ... yes I have, and I still have in my large collection over 40 different cultures, and the number of styles and different ideas and examples in music. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with my knowing or not knowing music ... it has more to do with my experience in appreciating and feeling something I love ... something that you keep totally stating that can only be done ... if you "know" music! Sadly, all children are stupid and can not possibly come up with any music ... because your standards demand that you "change them" to what you want. Geeeee, why not call it a religion for gosh's sakes, and go ahead and proclaim some kind of fight against humanity ... because you know something and everyone else doesn't? Rules are meant to be broken ... you want to become a serious artist? Learn to break the rules and the standards, and your music will be even better and stronger. But to constantly tell us that your knowing how to play an instrument is the most important part ... you're nutz dude ... in the early days of the synthesizer no one knew how to play it, and noises were made and eventually used. You couldn't take lessons on it! Just like Colombe got laughed at for his pieces of music many years ago, as have/did so many other composers for not following what everyone else did ... let's just say it for fun ... since it's such a great example ... it has ... huh ... it has ... huh ... too many notes! And in your case too much talk and not enough concentration on playing with that person? Give a 5 year old an instrument ... and start playing with that kid ... you will likely learn a thing or two, if you do not decide that you have to teach the 5 year old the transcendent theory of great music ... as told by ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 08:24
Just because you've played music for decades makes you an expert on everything? NASA has admitted on its own website that it has been dowsing the atmosphere with aluminum dioxide and lithium for decades. FYI, those are chemtrails. Count me in as one of the anti-vaxxers. I've delved into this subject intensely since i have a degree in biology and my roommate is a medical doctor who is also an acupuncturist. You're flippant comments display a clear lack of depth in which you pursue your knowledge. Stick to music. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 11:17
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Are you two married ?
Acupuncture is cobblers as well. As for anti vax, read up any number of stats on the internet (including a survey of 675,000 vaccinations published a few days ago which found no statistical evidence for vaccine damage) - except - read them from reputable sources. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/mar/08/anti-vaxxers-the-momo-challenge-why-lies-spread-faster-than-facts NASA have been cloud seeding for years. That's not what "chemtrail" conspiracy theory is all about. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/tracers/metals.html And a degree in biology - what specifically, can I ask ? Marine biology ? Plant biology ? ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 11:29
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And I do apologise to Mosh if my *knowledge* doesn't tally with his *opinion*. Which is what the thread is actually about. ------------- |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 18:13
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 07:45
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 07:56
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^ Isotopes contumaciously remonstrate uxorious and wheedling portmanteaus of insouciant apotheses, n'est-pas? ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 08:13
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^^ so many precious keystrokes wasted just eating into valuable self gratification time -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 08:35
| If chemtrails are not real, why is there a Wikipedia article disputing them? |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 09:15
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 09:44
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It's not like this thread started of in any good place to lead to so everyone blow some steam somewhere else, I can quite certainly believe no one is gonna change his opinion because of the discussion led here. |