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Topic: 20th century novelists
Posted By: Vompatti
Subject: 20th century novelists
Date Posted: October 09 2018 at 02:14
Multiple votes allowed.



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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 09 2018 at 14:16
Interesting list......how did you pick those particular ones?

At any rate I enjoyed reading Hesse, Miller, Burroughs, and Vonnegut over the years.....



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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 09 2018 at 17:06
No Umberto Eco?

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 09 2018 at 17:58
^Great writer...loved his first two novels....I'm also a fan of Ian Banks, JGBallard, and John Fowles.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 09 2018 at 23:05
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Interesting list......how did you pick those particular ones?

At any rate I enjoyed reading Hesse, Miller, Burroughs, and Vonnegut over the years.....


It's a combination of my personal favourites and the ones I consider the most significant.

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

No Umberto Eco?

He probably should have been on the list instead of Borges since Borges didn't even write any novels, oops.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 06:54
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Multiple votes allowed.
Hi,

Using Chrome and multiples are not allowed. The dot moves to the other choice.

Thx

Of this list I have read, Beckett, Borges, Burroughs, Conrad, Faulkner, Gide, Hemingway, Hesse, Joyce, Kafka,, Mann, Miller, Orwell, Solzhenitsyn and Vonegut.

There are a couple of them that I miss, and they would be Aldous Huxley for sure, and Gabriel Garcia Marquez, specially as Huxley was such an influence to what became known as "progressive music" in the earlier days, through at least one group.

There are other "novelists" that won't get a mention, but I happen to like Carlos Castaneda, although some folks might not think of that as "fiction", but the stories as told are amazing and rival any writer in the "occult" field, left and right in terms of depth and detail ... no one has been able to detail so many internal events as well, although he did take an approach that some folks do not like. If he had taken a more Harry Potter approach, his books would have been enjoyed a bit more, but they didn't ... they remained mired in the "academic" stratosfear, for regular folks to be able to enjoy them.

Henry Miller is one whose work I am appreciating the most lately, and believe it or not it was a movie that got me sent over to him ... (HENRY AND JUNE) ... and his way has always been interesting, but all of a sudden, it has a different touch.

I like Herman Hesse a lot, and will also pay my respects to Burroughs as he is a very great influence in a lot of rock music as well ... his work was used and appreciated by quite a few rock musicians.

Charles Bukowski is the odd one out, and he was enjoyed and preferred more by film makers than he was by anyone else during his time. jean-Luc Godard used him extensively in one film. Barbet Schroeder based BARFLY on Bukowski. Marco Ferreri made a film based on his short stories, and his work is also mentioned by a heck of a long list of rock bands. Of all the writers mentioned, he seems to show up a lot more times. 

Some of the bigger names have had their stories filmed and such, but in many ways, the work of Bukowski, has been almost subliminal, as it does not exactly say ... written by .... but the influence of its moments and stories is in a lot of places. 

Hard to say that about the better known writers out there, with the exception of Burroughs, who was a major contributor to a lot of the ideas and thoughts that brought out what became known as "progressive" music, through the art circles around him. Stories are still around that he was along with Ginsberg and others in a house owned by some Canterbury folks, and that PF, SM, GONG and others came and went left and right, not to mention the number of actors and actresses around. Of course, for the sake of propriety and our pristine ideals about "stars" and well known folks, maybe it is better that those stories not be around, lest we find who was sleeping with who ... and I say ... so what ... who cares ... when you are young, you enjoy life ... when you get older you criticize and hide it?



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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 07:05
Philip Roth, Updike, ...?


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 07:26
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Philip Roth, Updike, ...?

I just read, for the first time, ON THE ROAD AGAIN. and totally loved it, and about the same time I saw that film about the FURTHER bus and its trip ... and yeah ... it stood out, although I see Updike as a massive chronicler of a time and place (California for sure!), in general, I am not sure that he was as important otherwise. In many ways, Updike is the ideal/romantic vision of the early 1960's California that went on to become the psychedelic daze ... of which Ken Kesey is also a part, btw.

Roth, deserves better, as he is liked in America, mostly because of the films made of his books, but in general, he is totally under-read and under-appreciated. 


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 09:28
^^^ Castaneda is one of my favourites as well, I left him out because his books aren't exactly novels. I also almost included Gurdjieff for Beelzebub's Tales but he would have fit in even worse with the rest of them.

I also left out writers of more or less pure genre fiction, so no Philip K. Dick, Stanislaw Lem, H. P. Lovecraft and many others for that reason.


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 11:38

Bukowski was very much de rigueur among male intellectuals for some time, probably because they wanted to prove they were not just some milk-faced intellectuals but REAL MEN. I never thought much of him though, maybe because I'm a woman, and would have replaced him with some other author.

I miss several authors, but of course only twenty-five can be chosen.

From Germany:

Heinrich Mann, the brother of Thomas: "Der Untertan" ("The Loyal Subject"), "Professor Unrat" ("The Blue Angel").

Heinrich Böll (a Nobel laureate nonetheless): “Ansichten eines Clowns” (“The Clown”), “Gruppenbild mit Dame” (“Group Portrait with Lady”), “Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum” (“The Lost Honour of Katharina Blum”), “Fürsorgliche Belagerung” (“The Safety Net”).

Rafik Shami (Syrian born but writing in German): “Eine Hand voller Sterne” (“A Hand Full of Stars”), “Die dunkle Seite der Liebe” (“The Dark Side of Love”).

Walter Moers: “Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher” (“The City of Dreaming Books”), “Die 13½ Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär" ("The 13½ Lives of Captain Bluebear").

From England.

Anthony Burgess: “A Clockwork Orange”, “The Kingdom of the Wicked”, “Earthly Powers”).

Peter Ackroyd: “The Great Fire of London”, Hawksmoor”).

Lawrence Norfolk: “Lempriere's Dictionary”, “The Pope's Rhinoceros”.

From Ireland:

Flann O'Brian: “At Swim-Two-Birds”, “The Third Policeman”.

From France:

Marcel Proust: À la recherche du temps perdu“ (“In Search of Lost Time”).

Jean-Paul Sartre: “La Nausée“ (“Nausea”).

Albert Camus: “L'Etranger” (“The Stranger”), “La Peste” (“The Plague”).

From Portugal:

José Saramago (another Nobel laureate): “Ensaio sobre a cegueira” (“Blindness”), “A Jangada de Pedra” (“The Stone Raft”).

From Colombia:

Gabriel Garcia Márquez: “Cien años de soledad” (“One Hundred Years of Solitude”), “El otoño del patriarca” (“The Autumn of the Patriarch”), “El amor en los tiempos del cólera” (“Love in the Time of Cholera”).

From Chile:

Isabel Allende: “La casa de los espíritus” (“The House of the Spirits”), “Eva Luna” (“Eva Luna”)

From Cuba:

Guillermo Cabrera Infante: “Tres Tristres Tigres” (“Three Trapped Tigers”).

From Poland:

Stanisław Lem: “Solaris” (“Solaris”), “Pamiętnik znaleziony w wannie” (“Memoirs Found in a Bathtub”), “Eden” (“Eden”), “Kongres futurologiczny” (“The Futurulogical Congress”), “Wizja lokalna” (not translated into English yet but into German as “Lokaltermin”; the English title would be “Observation on the Spot”), “Pokój na Ziemi” (“Peace on Earth”), “Fiasko” (“Fiasco”).

From the USA:

John Barth: “The Sot-Weed Factor”.

Joseph Heller: “Catch-22”, “Something Happened”.

Thomas Pynchon: “V”, “Thy Crying of Lot 49”, “Gravity's Rainbow”, “Vineland”, “Mason & Dixon”.

Matt Ruff: “Fool on the Hill”, “Sewer, Gas and Electric”.

From Serbia:

Milorad Pavić: “Hazarski rečnik” (“Dictionary of the Khazars”), „Predeo slikan čajem“ (“Landscape Painted in Tea”).

From Japan:

Haruki Murakami: “羊をめぐる冒険 Hitsuji o meguru bōken” (“Wild Sheep Chase”),1Q84” (“1Q84”), “ダンス・ダンス・ダンス . Dansu, dansu, dansu” (“Dance, dance, dance”)

Kōbō Abe: “箱男 Hako otoko” (“The Box Man”), “燃えつきた地図 Moetsukita chizu” (“The Ruined Map”).

From India:

Arundhati Roy: “The God of Small Things”.

From New Zealand:

Keri Hulme: “The Bone People”.



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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 14:18
Stephen King, Cormac Mcarthy, ... ?


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 10 2018 at 18:31
Stephen King? Really? If there are any 20th century horror writers that should be on the list they are H. P. Lovecraft, Gustav Meyrink, Leo Perutz and, with some reservations, Alfred Kubin, because he is mostly a graphic artist, though his only book, "Die andere Seite" (The Other Side"), is a real masterpiece.

But King? He unfortunately has the tendency to completely ruin what starts as an excellent book on the last 20-30 pages. Take his "Needful Things", for example. Why did he have to end it in a massacre? It completely ruined the whole book.


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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 02:28
SK's The Stand is truly amazing

(you can of course  always find bad moments from any writer with no exception)


BTW - not a single woman-writer worth of being listed seems odd, at best


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 03:07
^ If it was a longer list, Carson McCullers and Herta Müller would be on it.


Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 03:35
- Marguerite Yourcenar, Margaret Atwood, ...?


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 03:47
Nah. Maybe Virginia Woolf or Iris Murdoch.


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 04:05
The Brontes sisters are gem

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 04:25
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

SK's The Stand is truly amazing

(you can of course  always find bad moments from any writer with no exception)


BTW - not a single woman-writer worth of being listed seems odd, at best

I named Arundhati Roy and Keri Hulme. Both wrote really exceptional novels.


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Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 06:04
I'm glad the list isn't longer than that !
I've enjoyed books by most of these (and have read something by nearly all of them), but three sticks out as heavily read favourites found in my teenage: Hesse, Calvino and Vonnegut.


Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 06:04
^^Yes, you did, and I noticed (tbh don't know K. Hulme work) - my comment was to the poll list


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 07:24
Hi,

One subtle bit of inspiration, sometimes becomes a reality ... dig this bit!

Burroughs is well known for having mixed words around in a sort of 52 pick-up (throw it all up and pick them up as they fall!), and this was taken LITERALLY in many German artistic circles, in funny ways. Peter Handke wrote a bunch of small plays that had just words, and it might have meaning or not, but acting those is hell on wheels for actors ... you don't even know if there is a "story" in the words.

We know about this process by Burroughs through several bits and pieces of Eno, Bowie and many others talking about it ... but no one ever mentions the one person that did this "literally" with music. Holger Czukay, had specified in the CAN website that TAGO MAGO was put together randomly from 20 hours of stuff. My guess is that he did the samething and threw it all up and the pieces that were selected became a part of the album! A true 52 pick-up in music, and somehow, the pieces all fit and work together very well ... which suggests that all of them came from the same set of rehearsals within the same week, or something like that.

The earlier stuff, was good, but the MM material did not exactly have as much freedom, and was more dictated by his singing and working the music. The surprising side of that is when he left, that they blew out the speakers with "Mother Sky" right away, as if it were some kind of reaction to the controlling style the music had before, which CAN went on to make sure they said, like many other German musicians at the time, that they wanted to create something that was not based on Western defined concepts for music ... but voila ... a "non-concept" used in literature and words for songs, was likely one of their inspirations.

Damo's thing, for me, has its basis in theater, as at the time, there was an incredible amount of work being done by folks doing voval gymnastics and such ... the only problem with those is that they are limited, and CAN did not stick together long enough to develop this even further ... they got bored with Damo, or vice versa. But their lyrics, as is evident in LANDED, still had a lot of Burroughs thoughts in them. They come off satirical and weird, which is the left over from "psychedelic" lyrics.

It kinda changes how literature influenced the public, and specially the arts ... at this point, I would not select a writer that was "better known" or "more famous". Bukowski is not as well liked, specially by the ladies, but his influence in the areas of theater and film, is not something to shine on ... and its hard to imagine that someone does that just because they don't care ... obviously there is something there, that we do not recognize, as there are many folks that write and discuss his work.

It's a shame that so much of the work in rock music is about FAME, and not the art itself. The art itself has a lot more riches for all of us, than we can imagine ... were we so inclined!


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 08:42
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

^^Yes, you did, and I noticed (tbh don't know K. Hulme work) - my comment was to the poll list

Oh, and I named Isabel Allende too. I really loved "The House of the Spirits".

Keri Hulme's "The Bone People", her only novel so far, won the renowned Booker Prize, which is an award for the best original novel written in the English language and published in the UK, in 1985. It is a very poetic story (though also full of violence) which I enjoyed very much when I read it. Here the synopsis from Wikipedia:

The Bone People is an unusual story of love. The differences are in the way of telling, the subject matter and the form of love that the story writes on. This is in no way a romance; it is rather filled with violence, fear and twisted emotions. At the story's core, however, are three people who struggle very hard to figure out what love is and how to find it. The book is divided into two major sections, the first involving the characters interacting together, and the second half involving their individual travels.

In the first half, 7-year-old Simon shows up at the hermit Kerewin's tower on a gloomy and stormy night. Simon is mute and thus is unable to explain his motives. When Simon's adoptive father, Joe, arrives to pick him up in the morning, Kerewin gets to know their curious story. After a freak storm years earlier, Simon was found washed up on the beach with no memory and very few clues as to his identity. Despite Simon's mysterious background, Joe and his wife Hana took the boy in. Later, Joe's infant son and Hana both died, forcing Joe to bring the troubled and troublesome Simon up on his own.

Kerewin finds herself developing a relationship with the boy and his father. Gradually it becomes clear that Simon is a deeply traumatised child, whose strange behaviours Joe is unable to cope with. Kerewin discovers that, in spite of the real familial love between them, Joe is physically abusing Simon.

Following a catalyst event, the three are driven violently apart. Simon witnesses a violent death and seeks Kerewin out, but she is angry with him for stealing some of her possessions and will not listen. Simon reacts by kicking in the side of her guitar, a much prized gift from her estranged family, whereupon she tells him frostily to leave. The boy goes to the town and breaks a series of shop windows, and when he is returned home by the police, Joe beats him more viciously than he has ever done previously. Simon, who has concealed a shard of glass from his crime, stabs his father. Both are hospitalized, and Joe is sent to prison for child abuse.

In the second half of the novel, Joe returns from his prison sentence, Simon is still in the hospital, and Kerewin is seriously and inexplicably ill. Joe loses custody of his adopted son. He travels aimlessly and finds an old spiritual man dying. Through him, Joe learns the possible identity of Simon's father. Simon is sent to a children's home, and Kerewin demolishes her tower, leaving with the expectation of dying within the year. All three overcome life-changing events, webbed with Maori mythology and legend.

Eventually Kerewin takes custody of Simon, keeping him close to her and Joe. Without Kerewin's knowledge or permission, Joe contacts Kerewin's family, resulting in a joyous reconciliation. The final scene of the novel depicts the reunion of Kerewin, Simon and Joe, who are all celebrating back at the beach where Kerewin has rebuilt her home, this time in the shape of a shell with many spirals. The end of the novel, despite many things remaining in the air, is a happy one.

Keri Hulme had recently been working on two novels at the same time (she says they are twinned novels) the working titles of which are "Bait" and "On Shadowside". The latest I heard is that "Bait" is finished and supposed to be published soon, something I look very much forward to.



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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 11 2018 at 10:48
^ Thanks, Friede, much appreciated your input

(I like Allende, too, but over the years got tired of the "Magic Realism" - maybe because of an overdose of GGM)


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 03:03
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

The Brontes sisters are gem

They are indeed gems, including the widely underestimated Anne. "The Tenant of Wildfell Hall" is a masterpiece and was at least hundred years ahead of the time when it was first released. They were 19th century though.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 15:03
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Stephen King? Really? If there are any 20th century horror writers that should be on the list they are H. P. Lovecraft, Gustav Meyrink, Leo Perutz and, with some reservations, Alfred Kubin, because he is mostly a graphic artist, though his only book, "Die andere Seite" (The Other Side"), is a real masterpiece.

But King? He unfortunately has the tendency to completely ruin what starts as an excellent book on the last 20-30 pages. Take his "Needful Things", for example. Why did he have to end it in a massacre? It completely ruined the whole book.
 

King can write, but his problem is he can never resist the urge to meander. I think his best works lie in his novellas, like "The Mist" and "1922." In the case of the latter, he admitted Frank Darabont's revised ending for the film was better, and while "1922" ended with a whimper, everything that preceded it was delightful.

H.P. — yes, absolutely. My journey with him began with The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. Perhaps for sentimental reasons, it remains my favorite. 

And while I'm jazzed that Jorge Luis Borges is in this poll, I'm equally dismayed the great Robert E. Howard is not.


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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 16:20
Raymond Carver, Alice Munro ... ?


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 16:57
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Raymond Carver, Alice Munro ... ?

Raymond Carver is great but a short-story writer, not a novelist.

but what about Alfred Döblin (Berlin Alexanderplatz), Patricia Highsmith (The Talented Mr. Ripley), Irmtraud Morgner (Leben und Abenteuer der Trobadora Beatriz nach Zeugnissen ihrer Spielfrau Laura English title The Life and Adventures of Trobadora Beatrice as Chronicled by Her Minstrel Laura), Christa Wolf (Kassandra) or Stefan Heym (The King David Report; Heym, though a German author, also wrote in English)?


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 17:08
Bukowski, despite being a real assh*le .




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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 17:45
oh, and how could I forget Virginia Woolf (Orlando)? and why has no-one mentioned her so far?


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 17:47
note that I added 4 women and 2 men. some gender balance is definitely necessary


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 17:58
Mary Shelley ?


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 18:04
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Mary Shelley ?

Mary Shelley is not 20th century


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 18:05
Oh, yeah .



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 12 2018 at 18:51
How about Elmore Leonard? He's somethin.'

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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 03:09
Gore Vidal, Bruce Chatwin... ?


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 05:59
Charles Dickens is perhaps the most famous author of this era and influentual.

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 06:39
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Charles Dickens is perhaps the most famous author of this era and influentual.

Charles Dickens is 19th century, not 20th.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 07:27
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Mary Shelley ?

Mary Shelley is not 20th century

I'll cheat ... ANNE RICE.

I find her erotic stuff much better than the regular novels that sometimes tend to go around the block to say something. 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 07:33
I'd be lying if I said I was familiar.. as it reading... many of these authors.  While highly educated I do love to the play the knuckle dragging grunt card and with this high brow literature sh*t I can honestly play it.

I spent my college days drinking, getting stoned, playing in babes and booze bands, and making the dean's list in the hard sciences not reading books... and any reading I do and have pretty much always done is history or Sci-Fi


Of those I have read though Faulkner...


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 07:57
Glad to see quite a few non-English-language writers in this list, in spite of some glaring omissions. Besides Italo Calvino, I would have mentioned at least Luigi Pirandello (maybe known better for his plays, but an outstanding author of fiction as well), Cesare Pavese and Umberto Eco, though Italy had quite a few 20th-century novelists that are well worth exploring. On the other hand, since Calvino already had one vote, I voted for Thomas Mann, who has long been one of my favourite 20th-century authors. And then, of course, there's J.R.R. Tolkien, who - like HP Lovecraft - is still not considered "real" literatureConfused by far too many people.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

H.P. — yes, absolutely. My journey with him began with The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. Perhaps for sentimental reasons, it remains my favorite. 


I agree with you 100% on Kadath - truly a wonderful read. "The Call of Chthulhu" is another personal favourite from HP - a masterpiece of suspense.




Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 08:06
I can't vote. No Nikos Kazantzakis!

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 09:41
My personal favourite of Lovecraft is "At the Mountains of Madness". Hardly anything happens in this novel but the atmosphere is absolutely creepy.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: October 13 2018 at 14:37
Voted Vonnegut...besides his other great works, Breakfast of Champions is a masterpiece.  Lovecraft is my all time favorite writer, 20th century or not.  His first story I read was At the Mountains of Madness and by the end of the first paragraph I knew I was home Wink

My band Mutiny in Jonestown (added to the PA database last year) has adapted many Lovecraft stories to music.  If anyone is curious, check out my latest album, "The Daemons Mock Me While I Sleep".  It sets Dagon, Polaris, The Colour Out of Space, Despair & Astrophobos to music and is available for listening (lyrics included) and free download at Bandcamp:

https://mutinyinjonestown.bandcamp.com/album/the-daemons-mock-me-while-i-sleep


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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 14:00
Knut Hamsun, every day of the week. I read four of his in the 80s: Mysteries (1892), Hunger (1890), Pan (1894), Victoria (1898) - and I read them in that order. Mysteries is my favourite. 

There is a Swedish film of Hunger from the 60s. It is very good. The dialogue is in Swedish and Norwegian with English subtitles.



Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 14:26
Out of the list, I voted for Vonnegut, I've read many of these authors' works, however.  I have even read the novelty novel, A Void  (a novel written entirely without the letter E [with the exception of the author's name, of course, note how many E's there!], but I read it in the English translation, can you imagine translating that?) by Georges Perec, surprised to see his name here.  I read a wide variety of fiction....For horror, yes to Lovecraft and also his contemporary, Clark Ashton Smith.  

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 14:41
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Out of the list, I voted for Vonnegut, I've read many of these authors' works, however.  I have even read the novelty novel, A Void  (a novel written entirely without the letter E [with the exception of the author's name, of course, note how many E's there!], but I read it in the English translation, can you imagine translating that?) by Georges Perec, surprised to see his name here.  I read a wide variety of fiction....For horror, yes to Lovecraft and also his contemporary, Clark Ashton Smith.  


ThisClap. Smith is really something else. Most of the authors Lovecraft mentioned in his essay Supernatural Horror in LIterature are also highly recommended - even though many of them wrote mostly short stories. I  think JRR Tolkien also deserves a mention, no matter how overexposed his work may be. The Lord of the Rings will always be one of my favourite novels of all time, bar none.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 14:54
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


ThisClap. Smith is really something else. Most of the authors Lovecraft mentioned in his essay Supernatural Horror in LIterature are also highly recommended - even though many of them wrote mostly short stories. I  think JRR Tolkien also deserves a mention, no matter how overexposed his work may be. The Lord of the Rings will always be one of my favourite novels of all time, bar none.

Me, too.  Read the Tolkien's trilogy many, many times in my life.  Not all that is good is kept a secret.

I have a beautiful book of poetry of Smith's, Ebony and Crystal, signed by the author (not to me, sadly).  He was born and spent most of his life in Auburn, in Central CA, and I found it in an antique store there.


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 14:57
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Voted Vonnegut...besides his other great works, Breakfast of Champions is a masterpiece.  Lovecraft is my all time favorite writer, 20th century or not.  His first story I read was At the Mountains of Madness and by the end of the first paragraph I knew I was home Wink

My band Mutiny in Jonestown (added to the PA database last year) has adapted many Lovecraft stories to music.  If anyone is curious, check out my latest album, "The Daemons Mock Me While I Sleep".  It sets Dagon, Polaris, The Colour Out of Space, Despair & Astrophobos to music and is available for listening (lyrics included) and free download at Bandcamp:

https://mutinyinjonestown.bandcamp.com/album/the-daemons-mock-me-while-i-sleep

Are you familiar with the psychedelic band, HP Lovecraft?  Their eponymous first LP has a beautiful song, "The White Ship, on it...and the second (HP Lovecraft II), included a piece, "The Mountains of Madness."  Very psych stuff. 


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 15:05
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


ThisClap. Smith is really something else. Most of the authors Lovecraft mentioned in his essay Supernatural Horror in LIterature are also highly recommended - even though many of them wrote mostly short stories. I  think JRR Tolkien also deserves a mention, no matter how overexposed his work may be. The Lord of the Rings will always be one of my favourite novels of all time, bar none.

Me, too.  Read the Tolkien's trilogy many, many times in my life.  Not all that is good is kept a secret.

I have a beautiful books of poetry of Smith's, Ebony and Crystal, signed by the author (not to me, sadly).  He was born and spent most of his life in Auburn, in Central CA, and I found it in an antique store there.
Agreed regarding Tolkien. Should definitely be on the list. I would venture to say that many millions more have read The Lord of the Rings than attempted Joyce's Ulysses or Finnegans Wake. That is no knock on stately, plump Buck Mulligan.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 15:08
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Are you familiar with the psychedelic band, HP Lovecraft?  Their eponymous first LP has a beautiful song, "The White Ship, on it...and the second (HP Lovecraft II), included a piece, "The Mountains of Madness."  Very psych stuff. 

HP Lovecraft II is a lot of fun, particularly Electrallentando and Mobius Trip.


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 15:21
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Are you familiar with the psychedelic band, HP Lovecraft?  Their eponymous first LP has a beautiful song, "The White Ship," on it...and the second (HP Lovecraft II), included a piece, "The Mountains of Madness."  Very psych stuff. 

HP Lovecraft II is a lot of fun, particularly Electrallentando and Mobius Trip.

Always up there in my obscure psych classics list


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 16:22
I also love Joyce Carol Oates.  Prolific and many fantastic novels of several genres.

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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 16:37
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


ThisClap. Smith is really something else. Most of the authors Lovecraft mentioned in his essay Supernatural Horror in LIterature are also highly recommended - even though many of them wrote mostly short stories. I  think JRR Tolkien also deserves a mention, no matter how overexposed his work may be. The Lord of the Rings will always be one of my favourite novels of all time, bar none.


Me, too.  Read the Tolkien's trilogy many, many times in my life.  Not all that is good is kept a secret.

I have a beautiful book of poetry of Smith's, Ebony and Crystal, signed by the author (not to me, sadly).  He was born and spent most of his life in Auburn, in Central CA, and I found it in an antique store there.

Very gratifying to find not one but two admirers of CAS on the forum! He was a much better writer than Lovecraft in almost every respect, I think - not least due to the existence of humour and sex in his work. Though his cynicism about the human race in general isn't for everyone.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 16:49
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

 
Very gratifying to find not one but two admirers of CAS on the forum! He was a much better writer than Lovecraft in almost every respect, I think - not least due to the existence of humour and sex in his work. Though his cynicism about the human race in general isn't for everyone.

And then there were three....There are probably more that aren't talking. Wink


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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 17:05
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Bukowski was very much de rigueur among male intellectuals for some time, probably because they wanted to prove they were not just some milk-faced intellectuals but REAL MEN. I never thought much of him though, maybe because I'm a woman, and would have replaced him with some other author.

I miss several authors, but of course only twenty-five can be chosen.

From Germany:

Heinrich Mann, the brother of Thomas: "Der Untertan" ("The Loyal Subject"), "Professor Unrat" ("The Blue Angel").

Heinrich Böll (a Nobel laureate nonetheless): “Ansichten eines Clowns” (“The Clown”), “Gruppenbild mit Dame” (“Group Portrait with Lady”), “Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum” (“The Lost Honour of Katharina Blum”), “Fürsorgliche Belagerung” (“The Safety Net”).

Rafik Shami (Syrian born but writing in German): “Eine Hand voller Sterne” (“A Hand Full of Stars”), “Die dunkle Seite der Liebe” (“The Dark Side of Love”).

Walter Moers: “Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher” (“The City of Dreaming Books”), “Die 13½ Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär" ("The 13½ Lives of Captain Bluebear").

From England.

Anthony Burgess: “A Clockwork Orange”, “The Kingdom of the Wicked”, “Earthly Powers”).

Peter Ackroyd: “The Great Fire of London”, Hawksmoor”).

Lawrence Norfolk: “Lempriere's Dictionary”, “The Pope's Rhinoceros”.

From Ireland:

Flann O'Brian: “At Swim-Two-Birds”, “The Third Policeman”.

From France:

Marcel Proust: À la recherche du temps perdu“ (“In Search of Lost Time”).

Jean-Paul Sartre: “La Nausée“ (“Nausea”).

Albert Camus: “L'Etranger” (“The Stranger”), “La Peste” (“The Plague”).

From Portugal:

José Saramago (another Nobel laureate): “Ensaio sobre a cegueira” (“Blindness”), “A Jangada de Pedra” (“The Stone Raft”).

From Colombia:

Gabriel Garcia Márquez: “Cien años de soledad” (“One Hundred Years of Solitude”), “El otoño del patriarca” (“The Autumn of the Patriarch”), “El amor en los tiempos del cólera” (“Love in the Time of Cholera”).

From Chile:

Isabel Allende: “La casa de los espíritus” (“The House of the Spirits”), “Eva Luna” (“Eva Luna”)

From Cuba:

Guillermo Cabrera Infante: “Tres Tristres Tigres” (“Three Trapped Tigers”).

From Poland:

Stanisław Lem: “Solaris” (“Solaris”), “Pamiętnik znaleziony w wannie” (“Memoirs Found in a Bathtub”), “Eden” (“Eden”), “Kongres futurologiczny” (“The Futurulogical Congress”), “Wizja lokalna” (not translated into English yet but into German as “Lokaltermin”; the English title would be “Observation on the Spot”), “Pokój na Ziemi” (“Peace on Earth”), “Fiasko” (“Fiasco”).

From the USA:

John Barth: “The Sot-Weed Factor”.

Joseph Heller: “Catch-22”, “Something Happened”.

Thomas Pynchon: “V”, “Thy Crying of Lot 49”, “Gravity's Rainbow”, “Vineland”, “Mason & Dixon”.

Matt Ruff: “Fool on the Hill”, “Sewer, Gas and Electric”.

From Serbia:

Milorad Pavić: “Hazarski rečnik” (“Dictionary of the Khazars”), „Predeo slikan čajem“ (“Landscape Painted in Tea”).

From Japan:

Haruki Murakami: “羊をめぐる冒険 Hitsuji o meguru bōken” (“Wild Sheep Chase”),1Q84” (“1Q84”), “ダンス・ダンス・ダンス . Dansu, dansu, dansu” (“Dance, dance, dance”)

Kōbō Abe: “箱男 Hako otoko” (“The Box Man”), “燃えつきた地図 Moetsukita chizu” (“The Ruined Map”).

From India:

Arundhati Roy: “The God of Small Things”.

From New Zealand:

Keri Hulme: “The Bone People”.


From Italy: 
Italo Svevo - La coscienza di Zeno
Luigi Pirandello - Il fu Mattia Pascal, Uno Nessuno Centomila
Carlo Emilio Gadda - La cognizione del dolore, Quer pasticciaccio

Italo Calvino is very famous but now in Italy critics now consider these three the most important 20th century novelists.

The absolute masterpiece is La coscienza di Zeno.


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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 17:18
For what I know....

Among those on the list, 

Thomas Mann
James Joyce
Franz Kafka
Luis F Celine
Samule Beckett

(maybe R. Musil)

They are considered the greatest of the twentieth century by every european literary critic (with Proust and others).
American? Maybe William Faulkner but... nobody put Faulkner on the same level...
I don't say that it is right, I say what I know by reading a lot of European literary criticism.



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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 17:20
For me?

For me Kafka, but I've never read Beckett and Celine.




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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 06:14
Musil - Borges - Rushdie - Calvino - Mann. Of those nominated in the discussion but not listed, Arundhati Roy's The Good of Small Things is second to none.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 08:54
I've read work by the majority of these. Vonnegut, Kafka, Orwell, Borges, Burroughs, Beckett, Joyce, and Hesse rank amongst my favourites. And I'll give votes to Conrad (I did enjoy reading Heart of Darkness by him in college) and Faulkner too. As for Rushdie, I'm bigger on him as an individual and listening to him speak than as a writer, but then I've only read The Satanic Verses by him (well, not strictly true).

Some favourites not on the list include Aldous Huxley, Günter Grass, Philip K. Dick and Stanislaw Lem.

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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:04
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

As for Rushdie, I'm bigger on him as an individual and listening to him speak than as a writer, but then I've only read The Satanic Verses by him (well, not strictly true).
 

Midnight's Children is an utter masterpiece, surely among the top five books I've ever read.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:17
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've read work by the majority of these. Vonnegut, Kafka, Orwell, Borges, Burroughs, Beckett, Joyce, and Hesse rank amongst my favourites. And I'll give votes to Conrad (I did enjoy reading Heart of Darkness by him in college) and Faulkner too. As for Rushdie, I'm bigger on him as an individual and listening to him speak than as a writer, but then I've only read The Satanic Verses by him (well, not strictly true).

Some favourites not on the list include Aldous Huxley, Günter Grass, Philip K. Dick and Stanislaw Lem.

Yes, to the first 3, not familiar with Lem.  But also want to add Thomas Pynchon, esp for Gravity's Rainbow.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:28
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've read work by the majority of these. Vonnegut, Kafka, Orwell, Borges, Burroughs, Beckett, Joyce, and Hesse rank amongst my favourites. And I'll give votes to Conrad (I did enjoy reading Heart of Darkness by him in college) and Faulkner too. As for Rushdie, I'm bigger on him as an individual and listening to him speak than as a writer, but then I've only read The Satanic Verses by him (well, not strictly true).

Some favourites not on the list include Aldous Huxley, Günter Grass, Philip K. Dick and Stanislaw Lem.


Yes, to the first 3, not familiar with Lem.  But also want to add Thomas Pynchon, esp for Gravity's Rainbow.


Pynchon, very nice choice. Oh and being a sci-f buff, Heinlein, especially for Stranger in a Strange Land, but I also think that it's great literature. Lem is worth reading (Solaris is a classic).

Just a funny note, the quite crazy, paranoid, anti-communist Philip K. Dick accused Lem of being a communist committee: https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is-a-communist-committee" rel="nofollow - https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is-a-communist-committee

Quoted from thee above article:

Quote In September 1974, the FBI received a letter. The accusations in the letter were shocking – it told of a communist conspiracy aimed at the hearts and minds of America through propaganda in the subtle guise of science fiction. Major science-fiction publishers and organisations had been infiltrated, and their agents, notable figures in the genre, were abroad in the West. The orchestrator of it all was a communist committee, acting under the name... Stanisław Lem.

The unveiler of such an insidious subterfuge was none other than Philip K. Dick, the legendary science-fiction writer. According to his letter, fellow science-fiction great Stanisław Lem, didn't even exist, except for as a figurehead for the purposes of disseminating propaganda. He was “probably a composite committee rather than an individual.” Dick's evidence for this denouncement was that “[Lem] writes in several styles and sometimes reads foreign, to him, languages and sometimes does not.” And the conspiracy spread further still: “The Party operates (a U..S.] publishing house which does a great deal of Party-controlled science fiction.”


It's partially Dick's sense of paranoia that makes his books so good for me.

And maybe not in th same class as the more classic literary giants in this poll, but I love Arturo Pérez-Reverte (The Club Dumas) and José Saramago (Blindness) as well as Kazuo Ishiguro, especially for Never Let Me Go (though that's a 21st century novel). And Cormac mcCarthy's The Road is one of my modern favourites (and Margaret Atwood with Oryx and Crake), but this is an aside and not that relevant to the general topic.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:37
I'm a big fan of Lem, he's not on the list because I left out all more or less pure genre authors. So no Philip K. Dick for that reason either, and I personally would have included H. P. Lovecraft as well.

Pynchon would probably deserve to be on the list, yes.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:42
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 

Pynchon, very nice choice. Oh and being a sci-f buff, Heinlein, especially for Stranger in a Strange Land, but I also think that it's great literature. Lem is worth reading (Solaris is a classic).

Just a funny note, the quite crazy, paranoid, anti-communist Philip K. Dick accused Lem of being a communist committee: https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is-a-communist-committee" rel="nofollow - https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is-a-communist-committee

Quoted from thee above article:

Quote In September 1974, the FBI received a letter. The accusations in the letter were shocking – it told of a communist conspiracy aimed at the hearts and minds of America through propaganda in the subtle guise of science fiction. Major science-fiction publishers and organisations had been infiltrated, and their agents, notable figures in the genre, were abroad in the West. The orchestrator of it all was a communist committee, acting under the name... Stanisław Lem.

The unveiler of such an insidious subterfuge was none other than Philip K. Dick, the legendary science-fiction writer. According to his letter, fellow science-fiction great Stanisław Lem, didn't even exist, except for as a figurehead for the purposes of disseminating propaganda. He was “probably a composite committee rather than an individual.” Dick's evidence for this denouncement was that “[Lem] writes in several styles and sometimes reads foreign, to him, languages and sometimes does not.” And the conspiracy spread further still: “The Party operates (a U..S.] publishing house which does a great deal of Party-controlled science fiction.”


It's partially Dick's sense of paranoia that makes his books so good for me.

And maybe not in th same class as the literary giants in this poll, but I love Arturo Pérez-Reverte (The Club Dumas) and José Saramago (Blindness) as well as Kazuo Ishiguro esecially for Never Let Me Go (though that's a 21st century novel).

Oh, yes, Heinlein, too!  As for the other recommendations just above, my book piles will just have to keep getting larger.  I was actually starting to make a dent in them!  

I remember that in 1974...I actually have a couple of friends who knew him (Philip K Dick) personally, even though they don't know each other.  Small worlds.   




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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 11:47
The conspicuous absentee for me is Nabokov. Maybe not the greatest, but easily the most brilliant, of 20th century novelists.

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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 15:53
No Doris Lessing??? Come on!!!!
J P Donleavy, Flann O Brien (third Policeman) Joyce and Beckett..

My personal favourite on this list is Herman Hesse..



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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 17:25
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 

It's partially Dick's sense of paranoia that makes his books so good for me.

And maybe not in th same class as the more classic literary giants in this poll, but I love Arturo Pérez-Reverte (The Club Dumas) and José Saramago (Blindness) as well as Kazuo Ishiguro, especially for Never Let Me Go (though that's a 21st century novel). And Cormac mcCarthy's The Road is one of my modern favourites (and Margaret Atwood with Oryx and Crake), but this is an aside and not that relevant to the general topic.

Blindness by Saramago is great.
Cormac McCarthy is very loved in Italy. I really like No Country for Old Men.

I never read Dick. I'm not a fan of science fiction. But anyway, can you recommend me a book of his where paranoia prevails (or almost) on science fiction? 


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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 17:39
About american writers of "Lost generation":

Between Faulkner and Hemingway (and S. Fitzgerald), I prefer.... Wolfe and Steinbeck!!!

In Faulkner opinion, Wolfe was the best of his generation.
Four long novels... (two published post mortem). 
I've read the first, and the last, You Cant Go Home: very good.

Steinbeck: Tortilla Flat, Of Mice and Man, The Grapes of Wrath, East of Eden...
But the best, in my opinion, is In Dubious Battle. It's perfect. Not a word too much. Everything is narrated from a strictly empirical point of view, without the author putting his own. And Steinbeck has studied biology, he looked at men from the biological point of view. This is well seen in this novel, and in Of Mice and Men. Grapes of Wrath is also a great novel, epic, but on the whole it has more defects than Battle. 
Tortilla flat instead is very funny. 

And John Fante's The Brotherhood of the Grape?
And Flannery O'Connor's The violent Bear It Away?
Cold Blood by Capote? What do you think about it?

I love them.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 09:57
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 

It's partially Dick's sense of paranoia that makes his books so good for me.

And maybe not in th same class as the more classic literary giants in this poll, but I love Arturo Pérez-Reverte (The Club Dumas) and José Saramago (Blindness) as well as Kazuo Ishiguro, especially for Never Let Me Go (though that's a 21st century novel). And Cormac mcCarthy's The Road is one of my modern favourites (and Margaret Atwood with Oryx and Crake), but this is an aside and not that relevant to the general topic.


Blindness by Saramago is great.
Cormac McCarthy is very loved in Italy. I really like No Country for Old Men.

I never read Dick. I'm not a fan of science fiction. But anyway, <span style="color: rgb33, 33, 33; font-family: inherit; line-height: 24px; white-space: pre-wrap;">can you recommend me a book of his where paranoia prevails (or almost) on science fiction?</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span>


Seen the film, but I haven't yet read No Country for Old Men.

I don't think you have to like sci-fi to enjoy Dick -- some of his work is not of the genre and he's a very different kind of writer from, say Isaac Asimov, who also was a scientist. I put Dick in the same loose category as Vonnegut for their "fantastic" works. While there's a sense of paranoia in many of his short stories and other works, the novel that springs to my mind is "Ubik" (those who have seen Black Mirror's Bandersnatch might have noticed UBIK in it).

Some of my other favourite Dick's include "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch", "Dr. Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the Bomb", "Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said", and "A Scanner Darkly". The alternate history "The Man in the High Castle" is another interesting one.

I found his Valis trilogy quite challenging to get through.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 10:02
Also Gabriel Garcia Marquez came to mind this am...So many great authors. 

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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 10:07
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Cormac McCarthy is very loved in Italy. I really like No Country for Old Men.


The Road and the Border Trilogy are super, you have to read it


Posted By: Oganesson
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 10:11
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Also Gabriel Garcia Marquez came to mind this am...So many great authors. 

Agreed on Garcia Marquez. Love his magical realism - a true combination of the real with the pigment of one's creative, fantastical imagination.

The poll's missing Albert Camus as well.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 10:34
I wouldn't like to use the word "missing" because there are only 25 spaces for options and one can't know everything that the OP has read and related to (unless you do like what I've done and cram as many into the space as possible), and that could imply being neglectful to some (not saying it's meant that way), but Albert Camus is a brilliant mention. Gabriel García Márquez I have not read that I recall.

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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 10:41
George Orwell.  I've read most of his work and I'm a huge fan.  Few writers understand Englishness the way that Orwell does.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 11:31
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I wouldn't like to use the word "missing" because there are only 25 spaces for options and one can't know everything that the OP has read and related to (unless you do like what I've done and cram as many into the space as possible), and that could imply being neglectful to some (not saying it's meant that way), but Albert Camus is a brilliant mention. Gabriel García Márquez I have not read that I recall.

100 Years of Solitude and Love in the Time of Cholera were both fantastic.  
I also love Asimov, mentioned earlier. 

Of course, there are only 25 to choose from here, just so much fun to see them plus add on others of note.  This has been a great resource for new reading material.  Interesting to me that so many prog fans are big readers.  Not surprising, though!  Wink

No I'm going to go over and check out some of the new artist suggestions....


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:12
Hemingway, Hesse, Orwell from the list.

and yeah, Steinbeck is awesome.



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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:40
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 

It's partially Dick's sense of paranoia that makes his books so good for me.

And maybe not in th same class as the more classic literary giants in this poll, but I love Arturo Pérez-Reverte (The Club Dumas) and José Saramago (Blindness) as well as Kazuo Ishiguro, especially for Never Let Me Go (though that's a 21st century novel). And Cormac mcCarthy's The Road is one of my modern favourites (and Margaret Atwood with Oryx and Crake), but this is an aside and not that relevant to the general topic.


Blindness by Saramago is great.
Cormac McCarthy is very loved in Italy. I really like No Country for Old Men.

I never read Dick. I'm not a fan of science fiction. But anyway, <span style="color: rgb33, 33, 33; font-family: inherit; line-height: 24px; white-space: pre-wrap;">can you recommend me a book of his where paranoia prevails (or almost) on science fiction?</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span>


Seen the film, but I haven't yet read No Country for Old Men.

I don't think you have to like sci-fi to enjoy Dick -- some of his work is not of the genre and he's a very different kind of writer from, say Isaac Asimov, who also was a scientist. I put Dick in the same loose category as Vonnegut for their "fantastic" works. While there's a sense of paranoia in many of his short stories and other works, the novel that springs to my mind is "Ubik" (those who have seen Black Mirror's Bandersnatch might have noticed UBIK in it).

Some of my other favourite Dick's include "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch", "Dr. Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the Bomb", "Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said", and "A Scanner Darkly". The alternate history "The Man in the High Castle" is another interesting one.

I found his Valis trilogy quite challenging to get through.

Thaks, Logan, 
I begin with Ubik!

http://www.mondadoristore.it/Ubik-Philip-K-Dick/eai978883473031/" rel="nofollow - https://www.mondadoristore.it/Ubik-Philip-K-Dick/eai978883473031/

If you want to try with the most important italian novel, 
http://theamericanmag.com/zenos-conscience/" rel="nofollow - https://theamericanmag.com/zenos-conscience/



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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:40
No Joseph Heller?   Joyce, Vonnegut, and Conrad.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 13:15
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 

It's partially Dick's sense of paranoia that makes his books so good for me.

And maybe not in th same class as the more classic literary giants in this poll, but I love Arturo Pérez-Reverte (The Club Dumas) and José Saramago (Blindness) as well as Kazuo Ishiguro, especially for Never Let Me Go (though that's a 21st century novel). And Cormac mcCarthy's The Road is one of my modern favourites (and Margaret Atwood with Oryx and Crake), but this is an aside and not that relevant to the general topic.


Blindness by Saramago is great.
Cormac McCarthy is very loved in Italy. I really like No Country for Old Men.

I never read Dick. I'm not a fan of science fiction. But anyway, <span style="color: rgb33, 33, 33; font-family: inherit; line-height: 24px; white-space: pre-wrap;">can you recommend me a book of his where paranoia prevails (or almost) on science fiction?</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span>


Seen the film, but I haven't yet read No Country for Old Men.

I don't think you have to like sci-fi to enjoy Dick -- some of his work is not of the genre and he's a very different kind of writer from, say Isaac Asimov, who also was a scientist. I put Dick in the same loose category as Vonnegut for their "fantastic" works. While there's a sense of paranoia in many of his short stories and other works, the novel that springs to my mind is "Ubik" (those who have seen Black Mirror's Bandersnatch might have noticed UBIK in it).

Some of my other favourite Dick's include "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch", "Dr. Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the Bomb", "Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said", and "A Scanner Darkly". The alternate history "The Man in the High Castle" is another interesting one.

I found his Valis trilogy quite challenging to get through.


Thaks, Logan, 
I begin with Ubik!

http://www.mondadoristore.it/Ubik-Philip-K-Dick/eai978883473031/" rel="nofollow - https://www.mondadoristore.it/Ubik-Philip-K-Dick/eai978883473031/

If you want to try with the most important italian novel, 
http://theamericanmag.com/zenos-conscience/" rel="nofollow - https://theamericanmag.com/zenos-conscience/



I thought that would be about Zeno's paradoxes. Will look for it, thanks.   And just to mention a popular Italian that would have made my list of novelists in the 20th Century: Umberto Eco. I particularly enjoyed Foucault's Pendulum.

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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 16:48
I assume we are applying the 20th century tag somewhat loosely and differently from writer to writer. For example, Hamsun's most important, influential and best-known books were written in the 1890s. 


Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 17:01
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


I thought that would be about Zeno's paradoxes. Will look for it, thanks.   And just to mention a popular Italian that would have made my list of novelists in the 20th Century: Umberto Eco. I particularly enjoyed Foucault's Pendulum.

I like very much The Name of the Rose; Foucaults Pendulum is more difficult to read but good.

Then, the others, The Island of the day before, and Baudolino.... I abandoned them after 100 pages. Eco was an erudite man, an intellectual. Then, at a certain age, he started writing novels. Italian criticism is very demanding (snob?) on style, on literary training, and struck down Eco, perhaps also because The name of the Rose was a besteller, a book that made history: a lot of people read it, even those without any culture. The F. pendulum has had a minor but good success, but after FP the inspiration of Eco was over and he has written well reviewed books in America or abroad, but that are not even considered in Italy.

Eco, Tamaro, Baricco have written best seller, but they are not well criticized.

Instead Tabucchi, with his bestseller Pereira claims was well criticized. 


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 00:29
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I assume we are applying the 20th century tag somewhat loosely and differently from writer to writer. For example, Hamsun's most important, influential and best-known books were written in the 1890s. 
Yeah, but they were at least 10 years ahead of their time. Wink


Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 04:36
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I assume we are applying the 20th century tag somewhat loosely and differently from writer to writer. For example, Hamsun's most important, influential and best-known books were written in the 1890s. 
Yeah, but they were at least 10 years ahead of their time. Wink
 

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 07:08
Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

No Doris Lessing??? Come on!!!!
...

A super nice writer, but I am not sure that a lot of folks like it ... she can be a feminist, and all of a sudden, she is just another person and not a feminist. Then she can write a story that goes backwards, which is fabulous, and you can read it in an hour ... no one will read it!

And she writes some science fiction, which I have not read. The other book of hers I started but school prevented me from finishing, was THE GOLDEN NOTEBOOK, which I was enjoying.

I always thought that a lot of her writing was movie material, but weirdly enough, I am not sure that some folks want to try these ... the cross cultural this and that from her Rhodesia days, and then ... the thought that women giving opinions on their lives and how they feel about it ... is not literature, and many other things that are ... scary ... like THE 5th CHILD ... every mother's worst nightmare! And probably the kind of novel that drives women away ... permanently!


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Posted By: Odvin Draoi
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 11:59
I like John Fowles very much.


Posted By: tempest_77
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 12:02
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 17:39
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


I thought that would be about Zeno's paradoxes. Will look for it, thanks.   And just to mention a popular Italian that would have made my list of novelists in the 20th Century: Umberto Eco. I particularly enjoyed Foucault's Pendulum.

I like very much The Name of the Rose; Foucaults Pendulum is more difficult to read but good.

Then, the others, The Island of the day before, and Baudolino.... I abandoned them after 100 pages. Eco was an erudite man, an intellectual. Then, at a certain age, he started writing novels. Italian criticism is very demanding (snob?) on style, on literary training, and struck down Eco, perhaps also because The name of the Rose was a besteller, a book that made history: a lot of people read it, even those without any culture. The F. pendulum has had a minor but good success, but after FP the inspiration of Eco was over and he has written well reviewed books in America or abroad, but that are not even considered in Italy.

Eco, Tamaro, Baricco have written best seller, but they are not well criticized.

Instead Tabucchi, with his bestseller Pereira claims was well criticized. 

"Baudolino" is my personal favorite of Umberto Eco. you made a big mistake putting it down after 100 pages. that book is so funny, at least if you know as much about the middle ages as I do. his references to the Physiologus, a bestiary and one of the most important books in the middle ages (though it was originally written in the 2nd century) are simply hilarious. the book's influence lasted over 1000 years.

and his "La misteriosa fiamma della regina Loana" ("The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana") was extremely interesting. this is what wikipedia says about the plot:

The plot of the book concerns Yambo (full name: Giambattista Bodoni, just like the typographer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambattista_Bodoni" rel="nofollow - Giambattista Bodoni ), a 59-year-old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan" rel="nofollow - Milanese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquarian" rel="nofollow - antiquarian book dealer who loses his https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory" rel="nofollow - episodic memory due to a stroke. At the beginning of the novel, he can remember everything he has ever read but does not remember his family, his past, or even his own name. Yambo decides to go to Solara, his childhood home, parts of which he has abandoned following a family tragedy, to see if he can rediscover his lost past. After days of searching through old newspapers, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record" rel="nofollow - vinyl records, books, magazines and childhood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book" rel="nofollow - comic books , he is unsuccessful in regaining memories, though he relives the story of his generation and the society in which his dead parents and grandfather lived. Ready to abandon his quest, he discovers a copy of the original https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Folio" rel="nofollow - First Folio of 1623 among his grandfather's books, the shock of which causes another incident, during which he relives his lost memories of childhood. The final section of the book is, therefore, a literary exploration of the traditional phenomenon whereby a person's life flashes before him or her, as Yambo struggles to regain the one memory he seeks above all others: the face of the girl he loved ever since he was a student.

I disagree about the ending though. in my opinion the hero of the book has a second stroke and dies, and what Eco tries to depict in the final section is what happens inside a dying brain

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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: August 04 2019 at 00:40
Favorite Writers: John Dickson Carr, Borges, Leroux, Rand, Stevenson, Chesterton, Bioy Casares, Poe, Murakami.

Like a lot: Orwell, García Marquez, Heinlein, Hesse, Lovecraft, Christie, Denevi.

I kinda like: Vonnegut and Solzhenitsyn.

I despise: Joyce, Pynchon, Auster and Wallace.


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 04 2019 at 02:57
Originally posted by Upbeat Tango Monday Upbeat Tango Monday wrote:

Favorite Writers: John Dickson Carr, Borges, Leroux, Rand, Stevenson, Chesterton, Bioy Casares, Poe.

Like a lot: Orwell, García Marquez, Heinlein, Hesse, Lovecraft, Christie, Denevi.

I kinda like: Vonnegut and Solzhenitsyn.

I despise: Joyce, Pynchon, Auster and Wallace.

I assume you mean David Foster Wallace and not Irving Wallace. Looks like you despise "constructed" novels. My guess is that you despise Tom Robbins too since novels like "Jitterbug Perfume" or "Skinny Legs and All" are also very constructed.


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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 02:56
Haven't read Tom Robbins yet, Friede; and yes, I did mean David Foster Wallace.
Postmodernism is not my thing. I've never heard the term "constructed" applied to a novel, and would love to know what it means. I find these authors rather deconstructive myself.
Despise might be too big a word, but one can't hate Dan Brown, Stephenie Meyer or the guy who wrote Ready Player One...they don't elicit negative emotions and they don't deserve them either. Can't take them seriously.

I do think you can find great and funny ideas inside, let's say, a Wallace novel. But the slim plot,randomness and meandering around kind of kills the mood for me and I can't enjoy one thousand pages of collected thoughts. I did, however, find tiny sparks of brilliance on Infinite Jest and loved the review of a tennis final he wrote for a certain newspaper. That was pretty good.
I'm not too fond of extremely purple prose and the idea of writing with a thesaurus by your side in order to make something feel more clever and/or artistic. It looks completely staged and artificial.
Joyce's Ulysses (for instance) is a pretty simple story told in the most roundabout way possible. Obfuscation for the sake of it. I respect the opposite more: a really complex idea or plot told in a simple way.

Sorry, I'm digressing a bit.

Oh, I added Haruki Murakami to my list of favorite writers. I can't believe I've forgotten about him; he's great even though he's not a planner or heavy plotter.

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 03:54
Have you ever read "1Q84" by Haruki Murakami (his magnum opus)? I ask because I suspect you would not like it because it is, to quote you, "a pretty simple story told in the most roundabout way possible" (he needs three volumes to tell it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Q84" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Q84

And you would most definitely hate "The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman" by Laurence Sterne (an 18th century novel) because this novel is taking "roundabout" to the extreme. There is for example a passage where the character of Uncle Toby walks down a flight of stairs, and Sterne needs about twenty pages to tell us about this. Jean and I, however, love this book.

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Posted By: Howard the Duck
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 09:28
Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

No Doris Lessing??? Come on!!!!

You could say support for her is... lessing lessening.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 09:13
Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

No Doris Lessing??? Come on!!!!

You could say support for her is... lessing lessening.

How sad ... and she was discussing racism outright, some 60+ years ago ... but in this day and age of hatred, not one knows a whole lot or even cares about it. Besides, we live in the age of disliking and disrespecting anything and everything ... and while the comment may sound funny to some, in the end, there are some artists that deserve a lot better for the work they did and how much they cared ... !!!


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 09:17
does Roald Dahl count in the level of quality as the other mentioned authors

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 09:26
^ I dunno k
^^ I didn't know she was Rhodesian. Did she write about the Bush War?


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 10:51
Originally posted by Odvin Draoi Odvin Draoi wrote:

I like John Fowles very much.

One of my favorites....still like The Magus the best of all of his books.
Try Iain Banks....similar style at times and great story teller.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Banks" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Banks



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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 24 2019 at 19:36
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Of the writers mentioned in this thread, the few that could write real page turners, for me, include:

 Herman Hesse, Thomas Mann, Umberto Eco, Robert Heinlein, and then Scott Fitzgerald and John Steinback.


Of those not mentioned here:  Evelyn Waugh, Dan Simmons, J.D. Salinger, Pearl S. Buck, and Amy Tan are the ones I found most inspiring and entertaining. 




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Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: August 24 2019 at 20:19
I looked at who had the most votes and voted for him - - he must be the best, right?

Actually, I’d’ve voted for Isaac Asimov.


Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: August 24 2019 at 20:22
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Of the writers mentioned in this thread, the few that could write real page turners, for me, include:

Herman Hesse, Thomas Mann, Umberto Eco, Robert Heinlein, and then Scott Fitzgerald and John Steinback.

Of those not mentioned here: Evelyn Waugh, Dan Simmons, J.D. Salinger, Pearl S. Buck, and Amy Tan are the ones I found most inspiring and entertaining.


I always assumed it was Dan Simmons for you!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 25 2019 at 08:38
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

^ I dunno k
^^ I didn't know she was Rhodesian. Did she write about the Bush War?

English, but lived in Rhodesia ... some of her early novels are about blacks and their lives.


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