Three Friends vs. Lizard
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Topic: Three Friends vs. Lizard
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Subject: Three Friends vs. Lizard
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 23:05
Both of these albums are the 3rd album in each respective bands discography but which one do you like more??
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 23:47
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 01:00
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 01:57
"Workin' all day-ay!"
Gentle Giant Three Friends.
Jon Anderson's cameo is nice, though!
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 03:54
Three Friends is great.
Lizard isn't.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 04:35
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 04:58
Two long lasting favorites containing some of prog's absolute peaks for me = Prologue/Schooldays and the Lizard-multipart suite. Gave my vote to the latter as there's very little in all of music that transcends me to some kind of dreamy, fairytaleish universe... you know quite like the lazy & misunderstood parody of what prog is supposed to be about for all those boring rockers who loathes it - I guess.
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 05:04
GG this time, because Schooldays is their best song by far in my opinion.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 05:12
Three Friends.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 05:45
I really, really like both just about equally, it just depends on the mood I'm in, so no vote.
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Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 06:20
Lizard. For one thing, Lizard ranks higher among my favorite KC albums than Three Friends does among my favorite GG albums.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 06:25
Three Friends for me
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 08:57
A toss up. Both masterpieces for me...took me months to fully appreciate Lizard where I loved Three Friends on the 1st listen. Today the vote goes to Three Friends, though tomorrow it just might be Lizard
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Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 09:06
KC Lizard GG Three Friends
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 09:31
This is a very good album match-up, I think, and both rank amongst my very favourite albums by each band. If "both" were an option then I would go with that, but I gave it to Lizard particularly for the suite. Over the last few years, Lizard and Islands have been the KC albums I've turned to the most.
Hercules wrote:
Three Friends is great.
Lizard isn't. |
You're in good, or bad depending upon one's perspective, company.
I disagree with both you and Fripp (rather like I disagree with Waters and Gilmour's comments on Atom Heart Mother).
An interesting article about this divisive album (mostly divisive when it comes to KC fans methinks of which you are not, mind you: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-lizard/" rel="nofollow - http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-lizard/
Better to read the article in full at the site, but here are excerpts from the article which quote Fripp:
From Ryan Reed's article at ultimateclassicrock.com wrote:
"Overall, the album is unlistenable," King Crimson maestro Robert Fripp once said of Lizard, the prog-rock institution's divisive third LP. Many fans agree, and understandably so: Arriving after the band's Earth-shattering debut, 1969's In the Court of the Crimson King, and its sturdy if unsurprising 1970 sequel In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard feels downright insane – full of dissonant grooves and free-jazz woodwind chaos, it's the photo negative of their studious early work.
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Unsurprisingly, Fripp isn't fond of the multi-part suite, particularly the opening section. "Rupert would have done better to stay in bed that day," the guitarist wrote in 1999 on the DGM website. "Jon Anderson has sung the unsingable: neither melody writer nor lyricist helped him on this one. An early edition of Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (from any good secondhand bookshop) is an essential aid to interpreting the lyrics."
He did muster praise for "Bolero," writing, "This is the only part of the album I am able to remember with anything other than fear, terror, misery and suffering. ... The main theme, played on oboe by Robin Miller (co-principal oboist with the BBC Symphony Orchestra under [conductor Pierre] Boulez at the time) is a gift. This is a melody which sustained me in difficult times."
Mostly, though, Fripp would prefer to squash Lizard. "Lots of ideas, mostly presented simultaneously and very few of which work," [Fripp] wrote. "Various bits are unsure whether to try and make connection with a unified central theme, or maintain their independence. Mostly, the search for a unified central theme escapes satisfaction, and the constituent elements adopt a semblance of neutrality, so as not to attract culpability for their involvement. Labor and laboring, mostly joyless, strive effortfully to present the appearance of cohesion."
"I am unable to recommend that anyone part with their hard-earned pay for this one, unless they want to take it to parties and play it at unwelcome guests," he [Fripp] concluded. "There are some Lizard lovers, I know. They must be very strange." |
I am very strange, and the older I get the more comfortable I am with not hiding my own eccentricities and appreciation for the strange.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 10:30
Three Friends
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 12:35
socrates17 wrote:
Lizard. For one thing, Lizard ranks higher among my favorite KC albums than Three Friends does among my favorite GG albums. |
This.....
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 13:42
hellogoodbye wrote:
GG this time, because Schooldays is their best song by far in my opinion. |
amen brother duck...
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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 14:15
Love The Giant, but definitely Lizard. It's an album I've lived with for a long time. It's always felt like little else out there in the world. And it has seemed greater and greater to me with every year.
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The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 16:21
Lizard.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 16:45
Lizard. Three Friends is one of my least favorite GG albums from that period.
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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 21 2018 at 19:26
Lizard by a long shot, but that's not to say Three Friends is a bad album at all.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 20:27
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 05:24
Gentle Giant "Three Friends" is one of my top albums of all time, "Lizard" isn't !
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 07:49
The Dark Elf wrote:
Lizard. Three Friends is one of my least favorite GG albums from that period. |
I feel the same way...it was always one of my least favorites from then and I don't own a copy currently..... I think someone said earlier in this thread that Schooldays from 3 Friends was one of their greatest songs . Again it shows how subjective this whole musical selection thingy really is.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:54
Love them both but Lizard has Jon Anderson on it so that's where my vote landed.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:21
Lizard by a mile.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 14:42
Leezard.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 21:44
There's a Mexican restaurant near me called Los Tres Amigos. I got rather poor service there.
Lizard.
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Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 10:26
Posted By: tempest_77
Date Posted: April 11 2018 at 01:16
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: April 11 2018 at 02:27
GG
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Posted By: Argos
Date Posted: April 11 2018 at 05:10
Giant
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 11 2018 at 12:41
HackettFan wrote:
There's a Mexican restaurant near me called Los Tres Amigos. I got rather poor service there.
Lizard. |
So you're basing your answer on that alone?
------------- “War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: April 11 2018 at 15:23
Both are good records, but I prefer Lizard.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 14 2018 at 15:47
Lizard is. There's so much to recommend it whereas 'Friends has some dead spots to these ears.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: April 16 2018 at 05:58
Jon Anderson sings on one of them. The one that gets my vote!!!
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: April 16 2018 at 15:49
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: April 17 2018 at 02:22
Gentle Giant by far.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: April 20 2018 at 15:19
Happy family and indoor games have crap vocals. Three friends all the way
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 20 2018 at 22:49
^Really don´t think vocals in those songs are crap, although Haskell is my least favourite Crimson-vocalists. And anyway they´re one of my favourite Crimson songs, only little weaker song in Lizard is "Lady Of the Dancing Water" (I believe it would have been greater with for example Lake-vocals).
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 21 2018 at 02:00
dr prog wrote:
Happy family and indoor games have crap vocals. Three friends all the way |
Aw, I wouldn't call them crap. They're def underwhelming, though.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 21 2018 at 13:16
Mortte wrote:
^Really don´t think vocals in those songs are crap, although Haskell is my least favourite Crimson-vocalists. And anyway they´re one of my favourite Crimson songs, only little weaker song in Lizard is "Lady Of the Dancing Water" (I believe it would have been greater with for example Lake-vocals). |
I have heard a version of Cadence and Cascade with Lake on vocals (a demo, I think), and it does sound much better. I guess it would have been the same for Lady of the dancing water.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 21 2018 at 14:53
dr prog wrote:
Happy family and indoor games have crap vocals. Three friends all the way |
The songs are not too great either
------------- “War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 03 2024 at 17:11
Three Friends
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 03 2024 at 17:17
GG for sure. Lizard has a couple of crap tunes. Happy family and Indoor games are pretty weak tunes although there’s nice playing in them
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: November 03 2024 at 22:43
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 02:21
I like both, but voted for Three Friends.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 03:55
I'm not a big fan of either album, but Lizard wins for featuring a song by Jon Anderson.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 08:13
I really like both, a great deal.
I've gone with Lizard, which I still regard as my fave KC... but I don't see 3F as the relative disappointment voiced by some
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 09:42
I already responded in depth to this topic years ago but each is a favourite of mine by the bands. I voted for Lizard but really I should have just said both and not voted. This is terrific pairing for me. If I went for favourite duo right now from each, then it would be Gentle Giant's Acquiring the Taste and Three Fiends and King Crimson's Lizard and Red.
And I still get goosebumps just thinking about the eponymous track at the end of the Three Friends album. Glorious.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 12:06
Logan wrote:
And I still get goosebumps just thinking about the eponymous track at the end of the Three Friends album. Glorious. |
Me too... it's a real GG highlight which also sends a shiver of delight down my spine, in a similar way to the end of Starless (Red yes, but the USA version paralyses you).
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 12:09
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I'm not a big fan of either album, but Lizard wins for featuring a song by Jon Anderson. |
keep persevering Paul, I'd describe both as Connoisseur's albums...
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 12:34
3 Friends by a thin margin, I like both album
Imagine for a moment what the vocals of Lizard would have given with the harmonious gentle giants ( Except PRA sung by Jon)
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Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 14:29
Easily, Gentle Giant. This is my favorite GG album. It was the first album I bought from them and I love every track. Mister Class and Quality/ Three Friends is one of my favorite highlights in all of Prog.
Never cared much for Lizard. Outside the Wetton era of KC, which I'm a big fan ( Red and Larks are top 25 Prog albums), for me, KC is bit hit and miss.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 14:42
GG by many miles.
It's interesting to see all the forum members no longer here in this six year old thread. I miss some of them.
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Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 14:48
Logan wrote:
I already responded in depth to this topic years ago but each is a favourite of mine by the bands. I voted for Lizard but really I should have just said both and not voted. This is terrific pairing for me. If I went for favourite duo right now from each, then it would be Gentle Giant's Acquiring the Taste and Three Fiends and King Crimson's Lizard and Red.
And I still get goosebumps just thinking about the eponymous track at the end of the Three Friends album. Glorious. |
Logan, agree with you on the Three Friends track. Just an emotionally moving song. Like you, Acquiring the Taste and Three Friends are my favorite Giant albums. Of course, GG has a very solid discography. The only true miss is Giant for a Day. Even the Missing Piece and Civilian has its moments.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 16:18
Big Sky wrote:
Logan wrote:
I already responded in depth to this topic years ago but each is a favourite of mine by the bands. I voted for Lizard but really I should have just said both and not voted. This is terrific pairing for me. If I went for favourite duo right now from each, then it would be Gentle Giant's Acquiring the Taste and Three Fiends and King Crimson's Lizard and Red.
And I still get goosebumps just thinking about the eponymous track at the end of the Three Friends album. Glorious. |
Logan, agree with you on the Three Friends track. Just an emotionally moving song. Like you, Acquiring the Taste and Three Friends are my favorite Giant albums. Of course, GG has a very solid discography. The only true miss is Giant for a Day. Even the Missing Piece and Civilian has its moments. |
I quite like "Spooky Boogie" off Giant for a Day. Those first eight, the self-titled to Interview, are great. And then there's good live music like Playing the Fool. I was quite obsessed with Gentle Giant when I joined this site.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 19:36
GG without much thought, I just like it a lot better. I missed this poll the first time around.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 23:55
Logan wrote:
I already responded in depth to this topic years ago but each is a favourite of mine by the bands. I voted for Lizard but really I should have just said both and not voted. This is terrific pairing for me. If I went for favourite duo right now from each, then it would be Gentle Giant's Acquiring the Taste and Three Fiends and King Crimson's Lizard and Red.
And I still get goosebumps just thinking about the eponymous track at the end of the Three Friends album. Glorious. | I agree but I wouldn't have voted differently. For me there's just something about being totally immersed in Lizard's sidelong title track that is so unique. Like falling in and out of a fever dream and enjoying it... or something like that. To me Steven Wilson's remaster of the title track in particular is more essential to me than anything else he's done* (that I'm aware of). I've loved the whole album ever since I first bought it, but his remix really made it come to life in different ways - for me.
*I have nothing against his music and appreciate plenty of his remastering work.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: November 06 2024 at 09:30
Three friends (one of my favourite albums of all time and my first Gentle Giant purchase about 35 years ago...).
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