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Topic: No more Rush
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: No more Rush
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 20:15
| Not sure if this has been mentioned on here yet or not but apparently Alex Lifeson made it official yesterday that Rush as band is done. Maybe Alex and Geddy will play together again. I personally can't see that not happening. Anyway, I guess we all saw this coming but it's good at least that it has finally been made official. |
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 23:20
| Rush was great band, but I really understand itīs now their time to go. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 23:29
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No real shock as they've seemed to be done, but I guess it's good to get the official word. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 23:32
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 05:34
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It's a shame, but it was 'time' No doubt there will be yet more DVD's, and re-issues/re-masters of all their albums still to come. They were an excellent and unique band, and pretty much my introduction to prog rock, all those years ago. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 06:31
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I hope these guys have a great retirement and spend some time really seeing the rest of the world instead of just passing through. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 06:33
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Awesome, awesome band. Always changing, yet staying the same (it's a feeling, go with it). They were incredible live. I only regret my children weren't old enough to see them on the last tour. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 07:19
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Yeah, Rush as an entity is most likely done. As much as I struggled with that idea 2+ years ago, I'm okay with it now. I just hope that Alex and Geddy get together at some point to do something. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 07:37
| I'm fine with Rush---have some of their albums but it's not like they were exploring new frontiers with their music----they certainly had a formula for making music and it has sort of run it's course----especially if Alex wants to collaborate with other artists and do something fresh and new and different. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 11:45
Not a surprise, especially with the reports of Alex's arthritis and Neil's tendonitis. These guys made the music world a much better place and made millions of people happy, what more could a musician hope to accomplish? And no one could ever top Alex's R&RHoF acceptance speech  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-zV4GaElko" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-zV4GaElko ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 12:39
Maybe not towards the end but at one point they were. I don't think many bands were doing what they were doing in the mid to late seventies(ie combining heavy/hard rock/proto metal with prog rock).
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twosteves wrote:Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 12:42
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A sad moment - but not unexpected. The last tour had a 'farewell' feel to it and with the health issues etc. I think it's probably the right time. I'd have loved them to have come over to the UK to say goodbye one last time, but c'est la vie! One more studio album would have been nice, but I suppose 'Clockwork Angels' wasn't too bad a send off in hindsight. Good luck guys - and thanks for those great moments! Taking my 'All the Worlds A Stage' gatefold sleeve album to school to tell my friends of this band from Canada I'd discovered, was a great moment I'll never forget! ------------- Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 13:03
Yeah, I don't buy that opinion that Rush never broke any new musical ground. One of the reasons why their music never made major inroads into the mainstream was that it was, in Geddy's words, weird. Let's face it. Rush's music was a bit odd, especially in the 70s. No one was making music that sounded like Rush. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Einwahn
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 13:59
| For me, their final three albums formed a trilogy that represented their best work. A truly great band. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:40
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No surprise statement from Alex, wonder how much the other two agree. A statement from Neil is what is missing on his ability to play or not at the level he usually does. I always thought another 1-2 studio albums might come out but for sure no more monster world wide tours, the world knows who they are. They created their own genre it seems, Rush music. I've seen them many many times since the late 70's so I cannot complain. For my wife and I they remain the best rock shows we have been to, we were fortunate to take our kids to 2 of their last tours, so the family circle is compete. I have records, cassettes, 8-tracks, posters, CDs, VHS, DVDs, BR, books, magazines of the 3 amigos so I have much to remember them by. Quite simply they are one of the greatest progressive rock groups of the past 40 years. I hope they are able to enjoy their families. Look forward to any project work they release..... -------------   
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 05:56
Wow, you may be in an extreme minority with that opinion. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 05:58
I wonder about this as well, although I don't suppose it matters much anymore ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 21:08
I wouldn't really say I totally agree, but at least the very last two are great indeed, up there with anything else they might have done before, and a wonderful way to end their career... specially Clockwork Angels. Any band wishes their last work would be so good. |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 21:23
| I think for Neil it was tendonitis. Didn't he already retire from touring? He lives in Los Angeles permanently now, I understand. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 07:45
Clockwork Angels I would agree with. Snakes & Arrows not so much. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 21:08
| Clockwork Angels was indeed the better of the two, but S&A was a step in the right direction (looking at it in hidsight, since I heard CA first). |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 09:35
| It would have been nice for them to squeeze out one more album but I guess that's not going to happen now. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 11:26
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You never know. Things can change. They likely won't change but I'll still hold out a tiny sliver of hope that maybe someday they will come back to make one last album. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 12:03
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One thing that I find interesting with Rush is that they have re-issued many/most of their albums over the years and they have very few, if any, "previously unreleased" songs. Most bands when they reissue albums throw in a few of these tracks to make them more desirable as a purchase for fans. I have seen multiple comments regarding Rush that they do not have any unreleased material. This seems odd to me. You would think that over the 40+ years that the band was together that they would have recorded songs that they decided not to release, but to date very little, if any, of this has shown up. ------------- 
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Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 13:57
the only 2 things that I can do is give them my thanks and applauses !!!
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 14:10
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I have a feeling that there will be new studio material from them in the near future. ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 14:38
Maybe but not as the band Rush. If you mean new material by Alex and Geddy together then yeah I agree. I can definitely see that happening in the near future.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 19:47
No, I mean Rush, have a feeling that Neil will change his mind eventually. Perfectly OK if it don't happen, though. What an awesome career and discography and if the excellent Clockwork is their final effort, so be it.  ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 20:27
Well, don't hold your breath waiting.
 I'd say there's probably a better chance of an REM or Porcupine Tree reunion. Just because Rush never had a big farewell tour like Black Sabbath doesn't mean they are going to reunite. I know it's what we all would like but it's better to be surprised than to give your hopes up for something that at this point is highly unlikely. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 21:02
| Clockwork Angels is a great album and a great way to say goodbye. I would be nervous if they announced a new album that it might not be as good and that they might end their career with a sub-par album. Not many bands are capable of releasing such a good album to end their career. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 23:33
| Have to say that I wasnīt very happy to hear the latest Rush-live. Geddy has lost his voice quite badly, so it wasnīt really pleasure to me listen their old great songs, not even theyīve put tuning down for example Hemispheres. So if they ever will reunite (which I donīt think will happen) I donīt believe I will ever go their concert, although Iīve never seen them. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 05:24
I agree with you. It's almost painful to hear Geddy try to sing some of the older songs. For instance, I can't even listen to recent live versions of Freewill anymore. That song just doesn't work for me if Geddy can't sing it like he did when it was recorded. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 05:35
I think they were quite groundbreaking for a while. I think A Farewell to Kings through to Moving Pictures inclusive were all groundbreaking albums. I can't think of anything by anyone else that sounds like music from the Hemispheres album, or anyone else who fused prog rock, with new wave in the way they did on MP and PW. I thought they had run their course by Counterparts tbh, which I still think is a great album. Anything after that did little for me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 08:29
Time will tell, friend. ------------- |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 08:59
I've always wondered about that too Scott, I mean there must be material in one of their vaults they never released. Even alternate studio takes/mixes, most bands will include these in reissues, like Led Zeppelin did with the deluxe box sets. Anyhow I have plenty of Rush material to keep me going for the next 30-40yrs. As records are my preferred media, I am always hunting the bins for those original releases/presses that sound brilliant! Still hunting for a Moving Pictures mastered by Bob Ludwig in VG++ condition. I know I will find it, as well as another copy of AFTK. My original copy is a JAMF issue, one of my best sounding records easily.....lookin for another..... That keeps my Rush blood flowing....... I have a slight feeling Neil will be interested in recording material, and maybe it will be some of this unreleased stuff....but touring for sure I think they are done. -------------
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 09:43
Listen, bands just like people have a right to retire. Take a look at this. https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/alex-lifeson-confirms-rush-breakup/ |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 09:56
What are you trying to prove, man? Read my posts attentively and you'll get what I mean. ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 10:21
No, I think the question is what are you trying to prove? You're the one who can't seem to accept the fact that the band is done, not me.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 10:34
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 10:39
My thoughts exactly. 
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 10:59
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My dear enlightened, I bow down before you in all humility. ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 11:56
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 12:00
I don't know. Certainly no one is saying they don't have the right to retire but I'd put more stock in this announcement were it coming from Geddy, instead of Alex. That said. I do believe they are probably done. Touring is certainly not going to happen again. However, I still can't shake the small feeling that they might get back together at some point to make new music. This announcement may be 100% true today. At some point in the future that might change. It might not. I think that's what Barbu is getting at. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 12:14
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They said with their last tour that it would be their last big tour. They left it open that they may do something in the studio and that they might even play concerts again, albeit, one-off shows or short tours rather than years-long world-wide tours. Prior to releasing Clockwork Angels they had said that it would be highly unlikely that they would release any more albums. With the digital age, they figured that they would only release digital singles going forward rather than incurring the cost of producing and releasing a full album. As with any band, anything is still possible. In 2023, they may decide that they want to perform for their 50th anniversary...but I suspect that they really are done as Rush. I think that we will probably still see Geddy and Alex involved in new projects and maybe even together in a project, but I really think that Neil is done. -------------
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 12:40
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Here's the article again. It seems some of you have not read it. ;) https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/alex-lifeson-confirms-rush-breakup/ Towards the end Alex said there is a small chance they could get together for one off shows but as for a full blown reunion or recording the band is done. I believe him even though he seems to contradict himself. They are done with no chance of reunion then he says there is a small chance. Make up your mind Alex. This is why it would be nice to hear the other two chime in.
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Posted By: LastSonOfGallifrey
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 13:18
| I had initially held out hope that maybe they would record together again, even if they never actually toured. It's sad to know they're done, but I believe that 'Clockwork Angels' is a terrific swan song. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 17:39
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I don't expect to see them (in the same configuration) live again. I won't be surprised if Geddy records another album and books a solo tour with a "band" that consists of some good friends before he, Alex and Neil even sit in the same room together to talk about music. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 19:10
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Though I'm sure this is quite real for now, I would not at all be shocked to see them together again for an album and a tour and everything else within a few years. And I mean as Rush ~ ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 17:36
I agree that there is a possibility of a reunion but not a reformation. I can't see them returning for the long term. But could they get together for a few shows here and there? That seems possible and in fact Alex even said he could see that happening. Heck, technically speaking anything is possible but wouldn't that also apply to any band that still has living members?
I suppose I could have been snarky here though and responded to you with something like "I suppose you think a Black Sabbath reunion is possible too."  I think because one band didn't make a big deal about their break up and the other band did is why no one questions one band never reforming while the window is still open for the other band. That's not how I see it though. A closed door is just that regardless of someone making a big announcement about closing the door. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 17:44
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about time hahaha... they stopped being interesting decades ago.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 18:03
Rock history shows most breakups don't take, and in Rush's case ~ being the longest-lasting rock band to continue intact consistently for 45 years ~ I don't see history changing. Not a reunion, but rather a full reformation for at least one album and tour in their future. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 21:42
| There's a lot of talk about then coming together again because this things often are not permanent as long as they are alive and whatever. But there's the issue of their health and being able to perform up to their level, and that's an important factor to consider. And they are not getting any younger, so any chronic ailment won't get any better. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 02:23
The one thing that would finally give Rush an edge (lol) over Yes would be to STOP PLAYING LIVE while the shows are still decent. My last memory of Yes live was a hired-gun version with dudes I have no connection with who had no input on the records I love. Obviously this wouldn't happen with Rush (smaller band), but the point remains. I'd hate the last Rush experience I ever saw to be one where they clearly shouldn't be on stage. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 08:38
Normally I would agree with you and I would cite the Doobie Brothers and the Who as examples and heck even Steely Dan now. I guess you could count Led Zeppelin also. However, in this stage of the game(given their age) it seems unlikely for Rush. Maybe you aren't familiar with the reasons behind their decision here though. Neil has health issues and is busy raising a family including a young daughter. Alex also has health issues. I think nerve pain. You never know what will happen but in this case a reformation seems very unlikely(a few shows maybe but not another album). I do think that Alex and Neil will play together though but they will not call it Rush without Neil. Anyway, that's how I see it.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 14:00
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I know about their health problems, we've been hearing about Neil's issues for decades, and I hope all three have good treatment. Heck they're Canadian and have money to boot, I'm sure they'll get the best care available. I guess we'll see, won't we. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 14:18
I agree. Yes should have ceased activities with the death of Chris Squire. He was the one constant throughout their entire career. He's the only guy who is on every single Yes album. They should stop out of respect for him, if nothing else. At least ARW tours as ARW. The same goes for Tangerine Dream, a band continuing as a trio in which two of its members joined within the last 4-7 years (!!!) and TD is a band with a 1970 debut. That's just not right. At least Rush was (still) Lee, Lifeson and Peart, as they had been since Geddy's 21st birthday in 1974. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 19:35
Listen, bands just like people have a right to retire. ------------- |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 19:51
I also agree. Rush is a three piece, so there's less room for error. Yes is a mess, and has been for a bit even before Chris' passing. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 19:58
No. They don't. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 20:06
^ 100% agreed. ------------- |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 21:51
| It is impossible to post a reply because of Captcha. Over 10 times trying and it just won't post. Let's see if this one get's posted at least!!! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 21:53
| I guess Yes has been a mess since they left Jon Anderson out. They should have waited for him, or if they really wanted / needed to tour without him, they should have had him back when he was ready... I still don't understand why they needed to break up with him. And then kicking out Oliver Wakeman and getting at odds with Rick in the process wasn't very good at all... besides, even though Oliver wasn't Rick, he had chops of his own, and I believe he did better than Geoff Downes has been doing, and could play live better. However, even so, Fly from Here was very nice anyway, even if it was mostly because of the old unused songs... but Heaven and Earth just didn't work out, I guess they are really dry on ideas for new music. Right now, even without Chris, they could do a fine enough show if they did get Jon Anderson back at last (and Rick Wakeman). I guess the line-up that performed at the Hall of Fame would be the best way to go... if they could even keep Jeddy Lee it would be all the greater, and perhaps some back-up drummer, since Alan White seems to have problems performing up to his old standards any longer (I guess most of them do have such problems, but Alan would be the most obvious one). |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 21:53
| OK, leaving out the reply format I could make my post about the related Yes discussion before. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 23:48
Copycat.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2018 at 23:50
You're right. They don't. They have to stay around as long as their fans want them to. Why? Because the fans say so.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 02:08
Do you copy your posts before hitting the very dangerous "Post Reply" button, sir? It's the best insurance policy! Sometimes I get denied, go back in, paste, captcha test again, then it posts. Never more than twice does it block me.
...So they can tarnish their discography with luke-warm attempts at creativity that will never match their back catalog!  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 09:21
| ^Hey, Yes did it why not Rush? :P |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 09:31
One of my biggest gripes about telling people Yes is my favorite band (Gentle Giant really is, but I usually don't have time to explain that to people who've never heard of them lol) is that there's more crap in their discography than gold now. Everything from 1968-1977 is amazing, Drama is good, 902103495583458 (I hate that album title) is solid, but then it's a mess of hodge-podge ideas that are usually half-baked, including mid-late 90's PC looking artwork etc lol. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 10:10
Actually, Rush already did this with so so efforts like Snakes & Arrows and Roll The Bones. Many would add Vapor Trails to that list. At least they finished strong with Clockwork Angels. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 18:15
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Vapor Trails is awesome. That's the last one I can listen to front-to-back. One killer song after another. One hell of a comeback after a long spell where they thought they might be finished. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: February 06 2018 at 05:39
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The problem I have with VT is that I hear too much of Geddy's solo album in it. I think Geddy doing a solo album changed the way he writes songs. My Favorite Headache isn't a bad album but I certainly didn't want that sound in a Rush album. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: SMSM
Date Posted: February 06 2018 at 16:26
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Like it or not, Rush was a sellout band in trying to keep up with musical times or being politically correct in order to win favors with the self described "progressives". Early 70's, trying to be some trendy Led Zep sound, Some of their stuff in the 80's was new wave sounding, even going into rap in the 2000's and songs like Nobody's Hero was nothing more that kissing the butt of the powerful and privileged LGBT movement. The Trees was a pro-union song - kissing their butts - just to name a few Admittedly, the public helped get them into the rock and roll hall of fame, but that place is a similar elitist progressive, politically correct club that Rush continued to try and gain approval of.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 06 2018 at 22:41
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 09:52
Huh?  Your first sentence is totally opposite of what all Rush interviews on that topic state. What is it that you know that even the members of Rush do not? The rest......thank God we have free speech.....because it's ridiculous. -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 10:30
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Come on Jose. Didn't you know that Rush, at first, was trying to be the new Archies! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 10:51
I missed that from them, must have been during my disco era........-------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 14:20
Fixed. ;) ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 14:48
I would be remiss to not point out how many bands that potentially describes. (Hint: a lot.) Zepp clones are (still) in abundance. Hell, Zebra did Zeppelin better than Zeppelin on their 1983 debut. Geddy and Al liked The Police and Ultravox, and when you like stuff that much, you tend to emulate it. Other (hard) rock bands/artists that embraced synthesizers: Blue Oyster Cult, Triumph, Frank Marino, Billy Thorpe, and Gary Wright, who recorded an album entirely with keyboards (The Dream Weaver) back in '75 before any other mainstream vocal artist that wasn't Kraftwerk did it Devo and Gary Numan included. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 21:09
| Still I can't post replies... or long posts, I don't know what, because of that Captcha thing... I don't want to spend over half an hour again trying to postover and over again the same message. However, about Mortte's reply about Yes, I would need to hear the Hall of Fame performance again, but for what I remember, Jon Anderson still sings better than Davison at least. I had high hopes for Davison, but I just haven't been able to enjoy his singing from what I have heard... he just sounds too tame and life-less, unlike Anderson. Actually, I liked Benoit's singing better, specially on Fly from Here he really sang beautifully (much more so than Davison on Heaven and Earth... though I guess I might blame Sherwood for that too, since he produced vocals for that album, and somehow he has a special talent to suck out life from vocals on his projects)... though Benoit did sound like he struggle trying to sing Anderson's parts. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 07 2018 at 22:43
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^Well, I think you should listen that Hall Of Fame version of "Roundabout". I believe if I remembered right one reason why they fired him was his asthma-problems. But anyway Davison got in that latest Yes-live problems to get high enough in "Heart of the sunrise". Also, I have wondered why vocal sound is so metal sounding in those earlier two album lives, maybe there is autotune?
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: February 08 2018 at 05:22
Oh, didn't you know that Rush merely made the music they did in a misguided attempt to fit in and to curry favor with various groups? Conform of be cast out, indeed. By god! It couldn't have been because <GASP!> that was the type of music they were interested in making????!!???!?!?!????? That's crazy talk. It must have all been some elaborate scheme.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 08 2018 at 21:24
It was because Jon had a severe asthma attack, and almost died from it (I think he said he actually died), and the band didn't want to wait for him to keep on touring. Still, that doesn't explain why they couldn't have him back once he was ready to sing again... oh well, perhaps because he wouldn't be able to keep up to a long touring scheduelle anyway. But still that doesn't explain why they couldn't keep in good terms and have Anderson sing with them on speciall events, shorter tours, studio recordings, whatever. And even if Anderson's voice is not the same as it used to be, I still think it's better than Davison's... his singing just sounds flat and lifeless, even if he can hit the notes with more ease at this time. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 08 2018 at 22:12
| ^Well, maybe one reason can be, that according to Jon, there has been quite bad atmosphere in Yes. Maybe Jon even donīt want to come back. Some years ago I found quite hilarious interview about his fireing where he said in the end they have two tour busses where the jolly guys (he and Wakemen) were in the other and rest (sulky guys) in other. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 01:57
I agree with the majority of what you said here. I love me some Rush, but can't deny I've always felt they were a bit late to the party, so to speak. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 03:41
| So it`s common opinion here Rush werenīt neoprog predecessors? Also, I think itīs a great achievement to success in that very antiprog atmosphere! I am not liking very much their after Signals-album, but I donīt think they were very much in New Wave... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 04:05
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^ no, they weren't neo-prog predecessors, because neo-prog was more or less a new wave of symphonic prog based sound, with guitarists influenced by Hackett, Gilmour and Latimer and keyboardists trying to sound a bit like Tony Banks and some Rick Wakeman. I also don't think Rush did new wave. Just because they used synths? If you ask me, they used them quite well.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 04:21
| ^So Dream Theater isnīt neoprog? What picture I got from neoprog is that there are virtuoso players and their virtuoso playing is much more important that the substance of music. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 04:46
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Nahh neo (at least on PA) is more like traditional symph prog but with updated keyboard sounds. Then again the neo moniker has been ascribed to so many different things that it is gettng increasingly frustrating trying to figure out what meaning pertains to what and in what way. ------------- The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 05:39
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In the begin of nineties Dream Theater was called neoprog here Finland. I donīt believe here existed then prog-metal genre definition at all then. Maybe itīs like it always been, definitions of some genres become clearer many years after some has started some style. Anyway I have understood Dream Theater has said Rush of one of their big influences.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 22:08
I don't remember the details, but I understand when Jon got better from his illnes and was ready to sing again he wanted to come back to Yes and they wouldn't have him. Perhaps he was too bossy and the other ones were happy to have more freedom to do things their own way? |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 22:27
| ^Well, I think the members of Yes have had quite different views of the world already in the seventies. I think you know Jon would have wanted to do Topographic in the countryside, if I remembered right he would have wanted them to live in tents. Then their mananger bring in the studio haystacks and cardboard cows. I think other members not also always understood Wakeman, one of his famous doings were that curry on the stage. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 02:23
So most prog music after like 1982? ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 03:52
no, not most prog music, the symph prog based ones.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 07:15
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hahaha... I do predict... and you heard it here first. Rush will reform for a farewell album, tour, and obligatory live album .... BEFORE this thread disappears into Micky territory.. ie... page 2. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 07:57
no, they won't because Peart has retired. I do expect the other two to make some new music though, especially Geddy.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 08:01
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retire? no sh*t man!!! I can read.... oh he'll unretire.. thus the prediction man ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 08:06
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^ I don't think they'll do that though Scorpions and Judas Priest announced retirement and they came back. :)
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 08:09
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Got a 6 pack on my prediction... to all of you... Peart unretires and they do the Rush trifecta.. album/tour/live album BEFORE this thread sinks to page 2. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 12:33
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 21:32
As I remember from interviews, the curry insident was not really Wakeman's doing (and I don't really remember that having had a negative effect with the rest of the band), but rather his roadies doing. I think the roadie, who was beneath the keyboards or whatever... hidden but at hand, asked Wakeman what he was having for dinner... and Wakeman responded thinking about what he would go to eat after the show... and before he knew, he was smelling the curry that his roadie brought him... all of this (the time to talk to his roadie, and then to eat the curry) came because there were long sections of the music in which Wakeman had to do near nothing with his keyboards. |