Pink Floyd vs King Crimson vs Black Sabbath
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Topic: Pink Floyd vs King Crimson vs Black Sabbath
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Pink Floyd vs King Crimson vs Black Sabbath
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 13:53
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The ultimate poll of genesis, the popular genesis of birth, birth of beginnings of genres. Birth of space rock, birth of prog rock and birth of heavy metal/rock. This is not the poll for historical nittpicking but poll of historical benchmarks. So whom is the supreme pioneer. -------------  
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 14:12
| Sabbath for me |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 14:18
word.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
b_olariu wrote:Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 14:43
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Since this is a poll of historical benchmarks, I think King Crimson should win this one. ------------- 
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 15:19
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Very tough choice strictly on the basis of "historical benchmarks". It could be argued that Syd & the Floyd invented psychedelic rock...Sabbath invented heavy metal...and Crimso invented prog. No vote for Floyd because there were other psychedelic bands blooming independently at the same time. Same for Crimso (though none with such a dominant mellotron presence). Sabbath though was something completely new...they created heavy metal with a mix of dark lyrical subject matter, very heavy guitar, and a vocalist who sounded like a wailing banshee  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 15:52
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KC-PF-BS. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 16:00
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Sabbath sabbath sabbath! ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 16:41
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I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I'm going to vote for Sabbath. They influenced many more bands and they had a sound, just like KC, that was completely their own. Both bands have also revised their sound in the beginning of the '80s. These are two bands that shouldn't really compete for a vote, but both are quite a few notches above the vastly overrated Floyd. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Rayner
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 16:43
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Pink Floyd personally, but Crimson basically created prog. They are one of the pioneers. ------------- Rayner |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 16:48
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KC ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 16:50
| KC, with Sabbath not far behind. |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 17:52
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Crimson for me. ITCOTCK was a (if not "the") cornerstone of prog. Sabbath was fundamental for the development of both heavy metal and stoner rock. Floyd, while well respected for their early space/psychedelic rock, is mostly known today for bringing a simplified brand of prog for the masses. They are a prog gateway band, but they aren't as important/influential as the other two. So: KC > BS > PF ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 17:57
| King Crimson , naturally ! |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 19:32
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Poll Question: Which of these bands do you like the most KC overall Then Floyd Then Sabbath ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Larkstongue41
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 20:45
Only on PA's could KC lead against these two. Love this place  ------------- "Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar." |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 20:49
Dylan.  ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 21:12
| Pink Floyd just slightly edging out KC for me. I like Black Sabbath a lot too though. The funny thing is PF is the only one of these bands I haven't seen live(although I just recently saw Roger Waters). |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 21:30
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I'm not a King Crimson fan.. I'm all about Yes, Genesis, and ELP. But on
this forum I will vote for them every time against those other two
choices and just did so right here.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 22:12
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KC ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: cemego
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 22:19
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Dont get me wrong, I like and respect pink floyd but there just isnt enough content to get into. They were too busy bickering and didn't put out enough music. Not enough releases. King Crimson has reinvented itself countless times and seems to be at the helm of the definition of prog. And I know there are Pink Floyd fanatics that will hate me for this. So go ahead and hate, but I still like them too. Therefore, I voted for King Crimson. (Sorry but never been a fan of Black Sabbath. It is respectable stuff in its own right though). ------------- listen to streaming stuff! no commercials! http://wmom.servemp3.com:8000/listen.pls |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 03:42
This. Three excellent groundbreaking bands, but KC has to be a contender for the best rock band of all time, certainly the best progressive act IMO. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 03:42
Regarding PF: how do you gauge quality vs quantity??? Anyway.... with all due respect to the Ummagumma boys (that I admit I'm a fan), in that regard I go with Black Sabbath the real creators of a whole new music man ... add to that a helluva groundbreaking strike of 6 great albums in a row!....... PS: I'll be back and vote the day I get the guts to listen to an entire KC album hahaha ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 03:47
hmmm .. Billy Joel. ;) ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 05:30
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Crimson, followed closely by Floyd. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 05:44
I'm not so sure about that. Floyd had a massive influence. ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 05:52
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Pink Floyd for their excellent music in the 60s and 70s, I'm not fond of their subsequent material. KC's sound in the 70s often gets bland and boring, too experimental and improvised, while lyrics are usually whatever. Also, I don't like the fact that they recorded on commercial grounds so many of their gigs. Pink Floyd have released a tiny amount of live albums. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 08:11
| I have to go with King Crimson on this one, not for the Metal Part, but for the inventiveness of the music . Pink Floyd is mostly blues, very well orchestrated, but blues none the less. Black Sabbath is the real Heavy Metal band here, and they were quite good at it. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 08:35
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I could argue for any of the three options voted for Floyd ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 10:38
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Love Floyd from Meddle to Animals. Like first 4 Sabbath albums. Dislike most KC. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 17:44
| Crimson |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 20:29
I say it's better to have quality releases than rushed releases just to have a new album out soon. Besides, I don't really think their out-put is so small, specially in the 70's. Without counting them, I believe all 3 bands released about the same amount of albums since they began until the end of the 70's. |
Posted By: thebeastmustdie
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 23:51
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floyd and sabbath are odd ones for me... I respect each one's massive influence, but despite being a big fan of both bands' respective genres, I'm not a big fan of either band. They both did maximum half a dozen tracks each that I genuinely think are great. But I struggle listening to an entire album by either without getting bored. KC wins on that basis! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 19 2017 at 01:11
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Great answer and anlysis,im all for analyses and deductive reasoning -------------
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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: August 19 2017 at 07:06
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^yeah plenty of people here great for that, now I see clearly one more reason why KC is not for me.......
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 15:35
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The Sabbs remain an unknown commodity to me whilst Crimso blows 'Floyd out of the water and then some. It's KC, baby. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 15:58
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Could be any of the three for influence or whatever - depending on how you approach it. But among the popular bands that even people not into prog are aware of, King Crimson means the most to me personally. So logically I will have to vote for them as supreme pioneer.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 18:22
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King Crimson ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 22:05
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Black Sabbath ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 22:43
| Pink Floyd |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 08:31
| KC all day. |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 09:03
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Who do I like best? 1. Floyd 2. KC 3. Sabbath
Best BAND , objectively speaking, KC |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 02:16
| I was going to make Pink Floyd vs King Crimson poll, but then found this. I think the situtation will not be very much different without Black Sabbath? |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 02:28
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KC Sabbath Floyd ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 08:28
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KC winning another poll........what a surprise. btw...is there an actual 'big 6' poll...? and who won that one....? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 09:28
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I think there are more than six Big Six polls, and probably ELP are last every time ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 13:37
I know right? Yes is winning the Big Six poll by the way ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 13:39
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For me it's Sabbath all the way ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 26 2018 at 14:50
Interesting poll. I would say that KC are musically about half way between the two other bands. 
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 12:50
^  ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 13:18
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^^ Did he offend you? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 15:22
^According to the "Emoticons" legend, means "Ermm" which to me roughly translates as momentary uncertainty. In this case, what band comes first with Crimso to follow? I suppose I could have just as easily used  because AFlowerKingCrimson's post explained very little, and it didn't even address the thread's original question.------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 16:11
I think I did. I was referring to sound wise or to be more specific the heaviness factor. KC were at times almost metallish while Floyd rarely was and BS almost always were.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 16:13
I did in a previous post though. Do you want me to keep repeating myself? I'm not under stress.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 16:32
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Lol ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 16:33
So now music is objective???  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 24 2024 at 12:32
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 24 2024 at 12:54
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1. Pink Floyd (20 albums owned including solo albums by David Gilmour (5), Roger Waters (4) & Richard Wright (1) 2. Black Sabbath (6 albums owned including one solo album by Ozzy Osbourne) 3. King Crimson (1 album owned not including anyone).
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 24 2024 at 23:27
| I voted for King Crimson over Pink Floyd with Black Sabbath nowhere. I only really care about Floyd circa 1973 to 1980 and simply don't bother with the Syd stuff, the psyche wanderings of the early albums all the boring AORish late Gilmour stuff. With Crimson I like their debut and last album and adore Red. I enjoy some of the other albums and the live shows they did later on. A much more interesting band. Never got into Sabbath but they helped create a whole genre of music so fair play to them. |
Posted By: Disconnect
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 07:47
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Crim by a landslide. I'll put their entire catalog up against any other band and the outcome is never in doubt. Floyd were musically relevant from about 71-77, outside of that timeframe I find their material dicey as hell. That said, there were many better bands releasing more notable work than Floyd in that 71-77 span. Sabbath....I enjoy the first 4 albums, but I've never considered them a 'benchmark' group by any means.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 07:52
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Pink Floyd Black Sabbath King Crimson
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 10:27
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KC just ahead of PF BS far behind |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 25 2024 at 12:32
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PF > KC > BS I can listen to all PF albums (although The Final Cut is a bit of a push) I only like KC's first 7.. I like BS's first 6 tbh, then the first two Dio albums (although again, it's been a long, long time...) ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |