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Topic: Art as Art
Posted By: Replayer
Subject: Art as Art
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 21:44
I would like to ask your opinion and views about "Art as art." This may be focused in areas of art, which I love, but also general and overarching views would be appreciated. Thank you.



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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 22:01
I was about to make a smart aleck comment about "Art as Music" but then I remembered that you already elegantly explained that using set notation. LOL

Speaking of which, does PA have some sort of LaTeX compatibility that I'm unaware of? 


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 22:08
i think that's just unicode k


Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 22:51
^ Ah, makes sense. Still gonna ask M@X if he can get some TeX on this site. LOL

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 22:52
art is poop, humans are dumb, god is dead, the oranges are rotten

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 23:01
Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Ah, makes sense. Still gonna ask M@X if he can get some TeX on this site. LOL


Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 00:12
I just don't think I can consider art as art. There is something that just doesn't seem artistic about art. It doesn't speak to me like art does, you catch my drift? 

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 00:53
I mean sure, art is art. But its sooooo overrated. Its just self-indulgent and pretentious. 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 01:27
It's money for god's sake.

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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 05:28
What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs hanging on the wall?


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 05:52
What donuts?

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Posted By: Replayer
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 07:56
I copied this reply from the Music as Art thread:
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Zappa once said something to the effect that art is anything you can put a frame around, not simply a literal frame, but anything that sets the boundaries that define it. A theatrical performance, for instance, has a time when it begins and point at which it ends. Artists are sometimes conventional in their use of frames, and sometimes more innovative. Some frames may be practical and trivial, or sometimes the same frame may be regarded as more meaningful. Jazz artists traditionally looked at album recordings as simply as a secondary momento of a live event, which was the primary artistic representation. Rock artists, especially Prog musicians, regarded the recorded album as their primary artistic representation.


I think the remark about the figurative frame is interesting, because painting frames often have an accepted aspect ratio, which is usually close to the golden ratio. The idea of frames can be extended to music where tonality, harmonic structure, timbre, rhythm, and other characteristics act as boundaries of a style. For example, most of us would recognize a previously unheard piece of music as being jazz, baroque, Celtic, flamenco, opera etc based on previous exposure to the corresponding stylistic frames of reference.

Of course, art is not all about following established rules and conventions, but also about bending and breaking them to make a statement. That reminded me of Dadaism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Found_object" rel="nofollow - found objects / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readymades_of_Marcel_Duchamp" rel="nofollow - readymades , where the artist selects existing objects and declares them to be art, which may or may not entail modifying said objects.

Is something Art merely by virtue of the fact that someone claims it is?

Is John Cage's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3" rel="nofollow - 4'33'' Art?

Is this thread Art?

Is Art Garfunkel Art?


Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 12:08
^^ Actually 4'33 is a spiritual expression of a certain Buddhist concept, it isn't a piece of music but it is an expression of something that is powerful enough to affect as music does or more. Because Cage was a composer, which is a facet of art; I'd lean towards artistic expression for 4'33, yes

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 13:31
I think art is the ultimate expression of art. I wish more artists would understand this

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Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: March 10 2017 at 13:35
Art is not art.


Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 11 2017 at 09:25
Art is pretty good, but I like paintings more.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 11 2017 at 09:41


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 11 2017 at 09:44


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: March 11 2017 at 10:09
^too graphic. take it down.

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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 11 2017 at 10:34
Someone call up the guy who designed the Liberian county flags:










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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: March 11 2017 at 10:38
^Computers are the future and the future is now.

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