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Topic: Should PA include music videos with album reviews?

Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Should PA include music videos with album reviews?
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:12

With so much of new prog finding it's way to Youtube, should Prog Archives set up a format that allows music videos to accompany prog album reviews?

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:14

Nope.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:18

Dean wrote:

Nope.

..."I heard this new album on Youtube!!"

Horrible...... Dead

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:22

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:30

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

You can do that already. There is a thread for "what prog DVD are you watching today?". YouTube videos could easily be posted here with a discussion. Either that or the Prog Recommendations Thread. I do not see the necessity to add something else to these.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:35

I do Steve. Imagine the new Steven Wilson album reviewed with the addition of the new video. Now this is already old hat, but more obscured works form artists like Kayo Dot, above, would benefit immensely, IMO.

Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 14:05

How hard is it to open up another window and find it yourself? Somehow we've all managed

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 14:13

^No one said it was hard. However, a video removed from it's context, in this case, an album review, loses something in translation, for lack of a better description, with the passage of time.

Btw, how hard is it for PA to add this feature to the review's page?

Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 14:13

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

I get that part, but you know me Steve......12" black wax physical media owner, call me old skool Smile

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 14:16

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

I get that part, but you know me Steve......12" black wax physical media owner, call me old skool Smile

No problem J. When it comes to old school, I think back to a log cabin in the woods! LOL

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 14:32

If a review would benefit from a video, it's probably not very well written. Stern Smile

Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 15:11

Also, I know that a lot of people get issues from videos being embedded in forum posts, especially those folks with slow internet. It probably wouldn't be ideal for those users if they were embedded in reviews, too.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 08:31

SteveG wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

I get that part, but you know me Steve......12" black wax physical media owner, call me old skool Smile

No problem J. When it comes to old school, I think back to a log cabin in the woods! LOL

..and a hole in the ground with a big leaf bush nearby..... LOL

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 09:25

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

I get that part, but you know me Steve......12" black wax physical media owner, call me old skool Smile

No problem J. When it comes to old school, I think back to a log cabin in the woods! LOL

..and a hole in the ground with a big leaf bush nearby..... LOL

...I guess some prog fans do really find it that difficult to attract women. LOL

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 09:28

Every review should come with a free handjob.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 09:38

^ it's good of you to volunteer Darryl but I don't think your services will be required.

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 09:44

There's a reason I rarely do reviews anymore.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 09:49

Dean wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

I get that part, but you know me Steve......12" black wax physical media owner, call me old skool Smile

No problem J. When it comes to old school, I think back to a log cabin in the woods! LOL

..and a hole in the ground with a big leaf bush nearby..... LOL

...I guess some prog fans do really find it that difficult to attract women. LOL

I guess it depends what type of women we are trying to attract......a bush woman? Or one of those highfalutin types that need paper and heat in the toilet room LOL

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 11:06

Catcher10 wrote:

Dean wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

SteveG wrote:

^If you wanted to turn someone on to some music, quickly, would not a video do the job as well as being a definitive descriptor of the artist's sound or style?

I get that part, but you know me Steve......12" black wax physical media owner, call me old skool Smile

No problem J. When it comes to old school, I think back to a log cabin in the woods! LOL

..and a hole in the ground with a big leaf bush nearby..... LOL

...I guess some prog fans do really find it that difficult to attract women. LOL

I guess it depends what type of women we are trying to attract......a bush woman? Or one of those highfalutin types that need paper and heat in the toilet room LOL

I was being far more base than that. Wink

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 12:24

zravkapt wrote:

Every review should come with a free handjob.

Now we're talkin'!

Wait a minute, from who though?

Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 13:38

Vompatti wrote:

If a review would benefit from a video, it's probably not very well written. Stern Smile

Now you're catching on, Vamps. Most reviewers don't even try to describe the music that they are reviewing. Perhaps if more people read the albums reviews, they, along with you, would realize that.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 13:40

zravkapt wrote:

Every review should come with a free handjob.

You dropped the ball on this one ZK. You should have said that every album review should come with a free porn video. LOL

Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 13:49

It's already possible to put a video link with a band, why add it to a review? To have every reviewer link the same video of the new single of the band?

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 13:59

Angelo wrote:

It's already possible to put a video link with a band, why add it to a review? To have every reviewer link the same video of the new single of the band?

If album reviews were not so musically vague or absent, I would not have brought this up, Angelo. I'm tired of reading reviews that make no effort to describe the artist's sound musically, and then have to track down what is newly offered by the artist on Youtube or on an artist's website. Why read the review in the first place? I find that I go directly to a source of the artist's sound, and dispense with reading the review altogether. I just eyeball the artist and the album name and move on.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 16:52

SteveG wrote:

Angelo wrote:

It's already possible to put a video link with a band, why add it to a review? To have every reviewer link the same video of the new single of the band?

The problem with the idea is that idiot-people (and let's not deny that such people exist in this world because we've more than enough evidence of rating-abuse to clearly demonstrate that not only do they exist, they also visit this site on a regular basis), reading the review will then write their own often contradictory review based upon one brief listen of the embedded video alone.

While reviewing a bog standard mainstream pop song from one listen of a YouTube video may perfectly acceptable, in Progressive Rock it most certainly is not and should not be condoned under any circumstances.

We endeavour to make this site as idiot-proof as we can, it would therefore be remiss of the PA to actively encourage these stupid idiots. As it is it's hard enough to prove that some of these idiots have actually listen to the album at all without making it even easier for them.

Q: name this album, or band, or both:

From ELP to Supertramp and then to some overblown Las Vegas ballads.
Or is it the casinos in Dortmund, Monaco or Manchester this band is aiming for with this album ? God knows, but not even the worst gamblers should be exposed to this album of Supertramp like ballads and pop. This album is pomp pop with fake tan, fake clothes and fake smiles. Say cheeeeeeeessssssssseeeeeee !!!!!!!!! Cheese, fake cheese made with soya beans and rhubarb enzymes is the a la carte menu here.
This is as bad as it gets and I got ten more words to write. So why is it that swans are bigger than ducks ? I don't know. Neither do I know what made the band release this turkey. Birds flies. Turkeys just crashes into hedgerows.
1 star

My favourite line there is "and I got ten more words to write" as the reviewer (and I use that term in the loosest sense) knew we have a minimum word-count here but was struggling to actually meet it... perhaps if he'd actually listen to the album a few more times (if at all) and thought about commenting on the music it would have been a fart sight easier for him to find those missing ten words, but I fail to see how embedding a video would have helped the reader at all here.

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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 12 2017 at 17:14

No

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 13 2017 at 13:05

Dean wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Angelo wrote:

It's already possible to put a video link with a band, why add it to a review? To have every reviewer link the same video of the new single of the band?

Q: name this album, or band, or both:

From ELP to Supertramp and then to some overblown Las Vegas ballads.
Or is it the casinos in Dortmund, Monaco or Manchester this band is aiming for with this album ? God knows, but not even the worst gamblers should be exposed to this album of Supertramp like ballads and pop. This album is pomp pop with fake tan, fake clothes and fake smiles. Say cheeeeeeeessssssssseeeeeee !!!!!!!!! Cheese, fake cheese made with soya beans and rhubarb enzymes is the a la carte menu here.
This is as bad as it gets and I got ten more words to write. So why is it that swans are bigger than ducks ? I don't know. Neither do I know what made the band release this turkey. Birds flies. Turkeys just crashes into hedgerows.
1 star

My aim was never to actually put videos into an album review Dean, but to bring awareness to the vague album reviews that run rampant on the home page of this site. They are nothing more than opinions regarding if the reviewer likes or dislikes the music and nothing more. I don't want to tar everyone with the same brush, as PA has some damn good reviewers that can actually explain, in words, what a piece of music sounds like. I don't hold that everyone should be a music expert and stress technical jargon too sophisticated for the layman, but how hard is it to describe a piece of music as symphonic, or pastoral, or folk like as opposed to heavy with thrash riffs?

If someone cannot describe the music that's being reviewed, then it's time they raised their game or just sit out and let someone better do it.

Edit: At least the idiot reviewer that you quoted above tried to describe the music, but came up short both descriptively and, more important, critically.