'Worst' track on...Fragile
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Topic: 'Worst' track on...Fragile
Posted By: zravkapt
Subject: 'Worst' track on...Fragile
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:07
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Which do you think is the least essential track on Fragile? ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:20
| Clunky `Cans and Brahms' for me! |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:34
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:36
| Many, starting with Cans and Brahms. In my opinion only the last track is essential. |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:37
Totally, Tom! It's the sort of thing the Caped Crusader got better at later on, but I bet this particular interpretation must make classical purists cringe!  I'll admit, I can listen to it now when I used to just simply skip it, but I still think `It's so short, it'll be over soon, just ride it out...' 
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:39
| ^ Yep - just a little bump in the road. Still have a soft-spot for Fragile - back to 1987 !! That's where it all began for me.............. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:42
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Cans and Brahms. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 08:44
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The repetitive We Have Heaven, and Five Percent For Nothing which isn't even a song, it's warm-up exercise. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 10:02
| WE Have Heaven is a boring repetition in almost none variation 1 |
Posted By: LakeGlade12
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 11:09
| Its a toss up between the cheerful but out of place Cans and the random 5%... I will go for 5% to even the score a bit. |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 11:42
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Roundabout, South Side and Heart of the Sunrise are all masterpieces. We Have Heaven, Long Distance > The Fish and Mood For A Day are all awesome, too (especially The Fish). The only two weak tracks are Rick's level 2 conservatory etude and Bill Bruford's 35 seconds of nonsense. Cans is the worst; at least 5% gives me a laugh, and is over quicker. ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 12:23
| Five Percent for Nothing, it's just a pointless track. |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 13:02
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Sorry, Mr. Wakeman... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 13:08
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All the solo tracks are pretty dreadful, but Five Percent for Nothing is pointless. The band tracks are all pretty good, though. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 13:17
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5% for Nothing, the easier because this is a very short one. ------------- 
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 13:46
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Five Percent... ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 15:16
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We Have Heaven is the most irritating, not sure if I could make it through the whole thing... ------------- |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 16:15
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Cans and Brahms |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 17:08
I've always wished 5 % was longer 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 27 2016 at 21:15
| I don't know. 5% for Nothing would me the one, I guess, but it's so short that it doesn't really matter. Cans and Brahms isn't really that bad, but it's not that good either, and it takes more listening time, so it actually matter more on the album. I guess I'll have to go for that one. Now, I understand what Wakeman really wanted to contribute to his solo spot is what later became "Catherine of Aragon", but he wasn't able to because of the writing credits arrangements between the record companies he and Yes belonged to... if it had been so, then Fragile would have been even more wonderful than it ended up being (on the other hand, we would be missing a wonderful track from his wonderful solo debut). |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 28 2016 at 15:51
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Cans & Brahms, easy. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 28 2016 at 20:33
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Heart of the Sunrise ------------- |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 03:38
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The fish is pretty boring ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 03:39
It drags on a bit ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 05:47
this is going to hurt a lot but its " Mr Wakeman`s "  ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 07:02
| Cans and Brahms doesn't bug me as much as it seems to bug others but 5% for nothing is a complete waste of space. |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 07:23
| "We Have Heaven" is the most annoying for me. I actually don't dislike "Cans & Brahms". |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 07:30
Madness, off with his head!
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 07:47
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^ It's silly, it's cheesy, it makes me laugh, I like it
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Posted By: Quirky Turkey
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 09:19
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There's no option to vote for Long Distance Runaround. Perhaps it's the poll creator's favourite? |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 09:28
^just noticed that. I meant to put it there. Still, probably wouldn't get more votes than C&B, WHH or 5%------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 09:49
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Cans definitely. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 17:10
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5% is 30 seconds of excellence. If you're a fan of true prog then how can u not like it? Long distance runaround has boring verses ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 29 2016 at 23:57
My thoughts exactly..............a very tricky piece of genuine Prog. And whilst Cans And Brahms is generally the 'weakest' segment of the album, I admire Wakeman's interpretation on his array of keyboards. And the overall 'less-liked' pieces are short snippets that really don't offend, just highlighting each member's strengths in one way or another. The 'meat' of the album lies in the FANTASTIC longer cuts on offer, especially South Side............ .......one of the few 5 star albums by Yes for me - maybe 4.5 coz I enjoy Topographic and Drama a notch more. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 01:55
I like all the short tracks. Length means nothing to me. It's the quality that counts. It's a strong 8.5/10 album. Weakest parts are the verses in long distance, the fish and the repetition of sunrise. On par with yes album and ctte. Time and a word would be close to these rankings especially if dear father was included. Tales and relayer maybe 8/10 ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 02:49
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CTTE is 4 star for me - like Floyd's DSOTM. I think I've totally burnt these albums out. For my taste, long-term that is - 5 star Yes albums are : Topographic, Relayer and Drama and then almost Fragile. Then hit and miss. I really liked Heaven And Earth but I hear that 'Dad Prog' vibe throughout I feel so proud when I wear my Fragile tee-shirt from a 2003 gig. My sister is spewing because her Topographic shirt has faded after a few washes......... I'd (almost) confess that Topographic is the single most PROG album EVER......... Even if I've only heard 3.27% of all prog out there................. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 05:43
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Haven't played ctte for 10 years but it's still strong. I'd probably give tormato 8/10, drama 7.5/10 and gfto 7/10. Dsotm never really interested me apart from first 3 tracks. Maybe 7/10. I'm more into animals 8.5/10 and obscured and meddle which are 8/10 ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 06:10
^ Yeah........Animals  ......and Tormato is great - just like Genesis' ATTWT.........but not to derail the thread, I love how Squire expanded his bass parts of The Fish individually for live performance. Just shows how he multi-tracked his Ricky for the piece. And Yessongs is one of my top-10 Live extravaganzas ever. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 06:57
I like side 2 of attwt. There's a cool outtake called the day the lights went out which I enjoyed more than a few of the album songs ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 06:58
I have to say, while I don't dislike Long Distance Runaround, I would be totally fine with never hearing it again. While driving up to the recent Yes concert in MI, I offered the theory that the true masterpiece of Fragile might in fact be South Side of the Sky, expecting my husband to break into an impassioned defense of Heart of the Sunrise. Instead I got 2 minutes of thoughtful silence, after which he said quietly, "You may well be right." I can count on one hand the number of times he's said "You may be right" in 35 years, so SSOTS FTW!
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 07:04
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 13:26
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They're all good; the whole thing gels into one of the finest song assortments in prog history. For shame for even suggesting any worst tracks! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 14:54
| Easy: Cans And Brahms |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 30 2016 at 21:02
Actually, I do like "Long Distance Runaround" well enough... specially if I consider it as a combo with "The Fish". However, I guess I would actually agree with "South Side of the Sky" being my favourite from the album... that middle piano section is one of the hooks that got me to listen to the album again and again when I was first getting into Yes and I couldn't understand what was going on with the songs. And from the group songs of the album, "Heart of the Sunrise" is actually the one that's been more difficult for me to get into... a bit too repetitive. If I really want to enjoy that one, then I have to go for the ABWH live version, which I enjoy more. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: August 31 2016 at 06:49
Combining Long Distance Runaround with The Fish improves it immensely, but even then I'm waiting for LDR to finish so I can hear the cool bass solo... I've been listening to the middle piano section of SSOTS a lot lately. I'm not nearly as wild over Wakeman's work as many on this site are - I find a lot of it kind of flashy, to be honest - but his playing on Fragile is brilliant and the keyboards on Roundabout, HOTS and especially SSOTS are totally, totally amazing. |
Posted By: Terakonin
Date Posted: August 31 2016 at 17:45
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5% for Nothing, followed closely by Cans and Brahms. ------------- You left a note in your perfect script Stay as long as you like I haven't left your bed since |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 02 2016 at 01:18
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"South Side of the Sky", for sure. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 13:08
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CAB. Touching track, but...meh. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 13:40
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Cans and Brahms followed by Five Percent of Nothing and then We Have Heaven. Not particularly against these lesser tracks, but they are the reason why I prefer CTTE, The Yes album etc. to Fragile - despite the many nailed-on classics on the album. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 14:00
| Roundabout chorus. Never liked it. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 14:16
I love "We Have Heaven" which I think works very well as a lead-in to "South Side of the Sky". As for "Cans and Brahms", give me Can and Brahms any day over it (can I get a "Halleluwah" brother from my Can bros?) The "Five Percent for Nothing" piffle is aptly titled. That said, those two don't detract from my enjoyment of the album at all -- they bring more eclecticism to it, and I like eclecticism. I do think the album could have been better with some editing by getting rid of some noodly bits that don't bring value to the music to me (for instance, in "Heart of the Sunrise", still a great track). Fragile was my first Yes album and has a lot of sentimental value. I never managed to get into Close to the Edge (I do like the title track very much). I guess the Yes album and Time and a Word are my favourite Yes albums. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 17:46
Fragile was my first YES record, and it was exactly what I needed to hear. It's essentially perfect. Even with the "worst" track(s), it's essentially perfect. I personally enjoy Five Percent for Nothing, and think of it as you say almost an eclectic excursion. The "main" tracks are very solid, and the production is perfect IMO. The only thing that tops it is Close to The Edge. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 18:09
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definitely the half assed half hearted Bruford contribution... Of course Squires and Howes pieces are A+... Anderson's rather interesting.. in a Jon dope smoking space cadet kind of way. Give the album a B for that. Wakeman.. ehh.. nice musical interlude and excuse to step out and have a smoke but not really offensive.. C but I can't point to a single redeeming aspectto 5 per cent.. except that it was short. D- haha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 21:16
| ^ Exactly, 5% is short... very short. If you get a bit distracted, it will pass by and you won't even notice. I don't think it really harms the album. Cans and Brahms... yeah, it's not really terrible, but I guess it's the one that breaks the flow of the album the most... I read once that what later became Catherine of Aragon is what Wakeman wanted to use as his contribution, but he couldn't write music for Yes because of contracts and such. With only that change the album would have been perfect in my book. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 22:17
| I quite enjoy "cans and Brahms." I voted for "five percent for nothing" because I just don't really see the point of it but it's harmless enough. I think the shorter tracks make the album more interesting to be honest. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 22:19
Right. Because of contractual obligations with A&M he had to perform something that was already written. I guess for whatever reason that didn't apply to live albums since he performed a medley of his Six Wives tracks on yessongs.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 07 2018 at 01:55
Eh, it's only 16 bars anyway  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 07 2018 at 03:55
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Track 2 is a skipper.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 07 2018 at 12:18
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Cans ------------- |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 07 2018 at 14:07
I’m one of those who wishes that 5% could’ve been 35% - it’s a tricky little piece that’s way too short, and it’s not even 5 per cent of the album’s playing time  I enjoy Wakeman’s keyboards on Cans, but that is the ‘weaker’ piece of this brilliant album. |