Where's Steve?
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Topic: Where's Steve?
Posted By: Rednight
Subject: Where's Steve?
Date Posted: June 01 2016 at 17:05
No, not Mr. Howe or Mr. Hackett. Not even Mr. Hillage. I'm talking about SteveG, a regular contributor to this forum up until a few months back. You were at times annoying, Steve, but at least you made things interesting.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 01 2016 at 17:31
I recall SteveG posting that he was leaving the forums, though I don't remember if he came back or not. It seems like he did.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 01 2016 at 17:38
Wee need the G flavour on PA and Steve brings it.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 01 2016 at 18:33
I believe that he was banned for bad behavior. Along with other personas from which he posted.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 01 2016 at 20:56
I also enjoyed his posts and I don't recall any 'bad behavior'......but then I'm not one of the mods. I believe he posts regularly over at Progressive Ears.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 06:14
dr wu23 wrote:
I also enjoyed his posts and I don't recall any 'bad behavior'......but then I'm not one of the mods.I believe he posts regularly over at Progressive Ears. |
I had no problems whatsoever with Steve, who was always very nice to me. However, he did fly off the handle more than once, and one day he went a bit too far - hence the ban. As to ProgEars, he went very close to being banned there too, no later than a couple of weeks ago, and for the same reasons. I know he was under a lot of pressure because his wife was sick, and then she passed away.
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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 06:55
I do remember the "open letter to ProgArchives", after that he was suspended.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 10:29
Raff wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
I also enjoyed his posts and I don't recall any 'bad behavior'......but then I'm not one of the mods.I believe he posts regularly over at Progressive Ears. |
I had no problems whatsoever with Steve, who was always very nice to me. However, he did fly off the handle more than once, and one day he went a bit too far - hence the ban. As to ProgEars, he went very close to being banned there too, no later than a couple of weeks ago, and for the same reasons. I know he was under a lot of pressure because his wife was sick, and then she passed away.
| This is humbling news. Losing my spouse would drive me around the bend, so your post puts things into perspective. Come back soon, Steve, if any reported ban isn't permanent.
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Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 16:04
Was always very insightful before he went offtrack. Very sad news indeed about his wife. Hope he comes back fresh.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 17:23
I still bitch at Steve on the ProgEars site. I also bitch at Svetonio over on ProgEars. You'll be happy to know he still doesn't know what he's talking about. Somethings are timeless and without change.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 18:05
The Dark Elf wrote:
I still bitch at Steve on the ProgEars site. I also bitch at Svetonio over on ProgEars. You'll be happy to know he still doesn't know what he's talking about. Somethings are timeless and without change. |
Svetonio! How I don't miss him!
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 18:34
I believe he was angry that religious/political argumentation was discouraged here and he made a large rant about it. I could be wrong.
I always liked Steve anyway and would love to see him back.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 18:56
I thought this thread was going to be about HolyMoly Steve.
Miss him. Anyone know if he will return, it has been almost a year since he logged in.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 20:17
Finnforest wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about HolyMoly Steve.
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That's what I thought too. I thought he was an Admin...did he step down at some point? I don't remember.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 21:22
Finnforest wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about HolyMoly Steve.
Miss him. Anyone know if he will return, it has been almost a year since he logged in.
| I don't know. He seems to be focusing on the rest of life right now, which is understandable because PA can be time consuming, especially when you get involved in the wrong crowd (us shredfolk).
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 21:30
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 02:12
Finnforest wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about HolyMoly Steve.
Miss him. Anyone know if he will return, it has been almost a year since he logged in.
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My thoughts exactly. I miss Steve big time. Don't think he'll come back though. He is probably having too much fun in the real world.
As for Steve G? I can live without the drama.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 05:22
Seeing Steve (HolyMoly) mentioned makes me a bit sad. We met him for dinner at the end of March 2015, when he was in DC for a conference. He more or less dropped off the radar a few days later, and I've never been able to dispel the suspicion that we made such a bad impression on him that he decided to leave PA for good. Not that I had any inkling of that during the few hours we spent together, but - as Jim Morrison once said - people are strange. Since then, I've seen him around on FB (though not often), but he's never made any move. I don't believe Micky and I are such bad people .
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 05:50
zravkapt wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about HolyMoly Steve.
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That's what I thought too. I thought he was an Admin...did he step down at some point? I don't remember. |
He disappeared suddenly off the radar and did not return. Just like another Admin, http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=20797" rel="nofollow - harmonium.ro, some four years ago.
Sometimes I miss the two Steves. I liked them both somehow.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 07:44
Raff wrote:
Seeing Steve (HolyMoly) mentioned makes me a bit sad. We met him for dinner at the end of March 2015, when he was in DC for a conference. He more or less dropped off the radar a few days later, and I've never been able to dispel the suspicion that we made such a bad impression on him that he decided to leave PA for good. Not that I had any inkling of that during the few hours we spent together, but - as Jim Morrison once said - people are strange. Since then, I've seen him around on FB (though not often), but he's never made any move. I don't believe Micky and I are such bad people .
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And here I was looking forward to meeting you both in September....At least I've been warned.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 08:09
Raff wrote:
Seeing Steve (HolyMoly) mentioned makes me a bit sad. We met him for dinner at the end of March 2015, when he was in DC for a conference. He more or less dropped off the radar a few days later, and I've never been able to dispel the suspicion that we made such a bad impression on him that he decided to leave PA for good.
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Does micky always have that effect on people?
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 09:49
The Dark Elf wrote:
I still bitch at Steve on the ProgEars site. I also bitch at Svetonio over on ProgEars. You'll be happy to know he still doesn't know what he's talking about. Somethings are timeless and without change. |
That must be glorious to watch.
emigre80 wrote:
Svetonio! How I don't miss him! |
You won't be missed when you're gone, sweetheart.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 10:12
Polymorphia wrote:
I recall SteveG posting that he was leaving the forums, though I don't remember if he came back or not. It seems like he did. |
Well, SteveG was banned from PA and he's got a bumpy career on PE (received a solid warning from the Admins, because he was going overboard the same way as here) However, he has asked via PM in PE to reintegrate PA, at least as a casual reviewer. He promised me he would do his utmost to control his temper. I passed on his demand in the Collab Zone and TBH, there wasn't much reactions (one yeah, one nay and one IDCcare) I'm not sure the Admins have seen this demand, though I believe they check the Forum Abuse thread. I communicated to him the little reactions about his pledge/plea, ad he's kind of disappointed, but he knows it wasn't a definitive no. Sooo he's still waiting for a definitive answer =================== As for Svet, he's also got a warning... I must say that about 2/3 of the threads created are from SteveG, PeterG (another" weird dude") and Svet, and they get a fair bit of response... often they engage with each other into personal and definitive definitions of what is prog, psych, fusion etc... I believe they've got planned definitions for Doo-Wop and Dixie lined-up for next week However, I can tell you that PE is not thrilled to have seen the PA rejects arrive on their site. ================== BTW; PE is not thrilled
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 10:23
Do you get to say all this and be accepted back..........
An open letter to Prog Archives' admins, moderators, operators and owners. I see the thread titled 'are any religions harmless?' has been deleted by the so called 'brain trust' that makes up the PA admins, owners and operators. Without warning, this 'self hallowed' institution, that does absolutely nothing for the betterment of the social good, does their covert disappearing act after I have spent an entire afternoon dealing with the insecurities of a hateful paranoid individual and a coward that blurts insults from the safety of being on the other end of a distant computer terminal. I have put up online with these mental defectives with the aim that a truly sincere person would have an interest in the thread's topic, despite the others antisocial ranting and psychotic fixations. You may have not appreciated the occasionally sincere individual posts that popped from time to time, but I did. In closing, except for a few like Dean, who I hold in the highest respect possible, you are people that I cannot approve of or want to associate with. You are simply cowards. There is simply no other word that describes you. Oh, and Happy Holidays to all the rest.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 10:39
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 11:02
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 11:14
No you haven't pissed me off, just a natural dislike and it's probably better than total indifference, I suppose.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 11:46
Lest we forget, StaaviinZ existed. He was harmless and a meme from the beginning.
I kinda miss him.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 11:57
Raff wrote:
Seeing Steve (HolyMoly) mentioned makes me a bit sad. We met him for dinner at the end of March 2015, when he was in DC for a conference. He more or less dropped off the radar a few days later, and I've never been able to dispel the suspicion that we made such a bad impression on him that he decided to leave PA for good. Not that I had any inkling of that during the few hours we spent together, but - as Jim Morrison once said - people are strange. Since then, I've seen him around on FB (though not often), but he's never made any move. I don't believe Micky and I are such bad people .
| I don't think that was it. Mind you, I wasn't there, but I think, because he has a wife and kid, and his wife was switching jobs and he was thinking about switching jobs, he had to cut some things out of his life. He hasn't made any music in a while, either, it seems. When duty calls.
It's all conjecture, though. I eagerly await his return if it ever comes.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 12:01
Barbu wrote:
No you haven't pissed me off, just a natural dislike and it's probably better than total indifference, I suppose. |
Actually, I'm fine with total indifference, particularly since I can't recall a single interaction with you.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 12:06
emigre80 wrote:
Barbu wrote:
No you haven't pissed me off, just a natural dislike and it's probably better than total indifference, I suppose. |
Actually, I'm fine with total indifference, particularly since I can't recall a single interaction with you. |
Suuure. That's totally fine.
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 12:18
^ Another "everything sucks" phase?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 12:19
Polymorphia wrote:
Raff wrote:
Seeing Steve (HolyMoly) mentioned makes me a bit sad. We met him for dinner at the end of March 2015, when he was in DC for a conference. He more or less dropped off the radar a few days later, and I've never been able to dispel the suspicion that we made such a bad impression on him that he decided to leave PA for good. Not that I had any inkling of that during the few hours we spent together, but - as Jim Morrison once said - people are strange. Since then, I've seen him around on FB (though not often), but he's never made any move. I don't believe Micky and I are such bad people .
| I don't think that was it. Mind you, I wasn't there, but I think, because he has a wife and kid, and his wife was switching jobs and he was thinking about switching jobs, he had to cut some things out of his life. He hasn't made any music in a while, either, it seems. When duty calls.
It's all conjecture, though. I eagerly await his return if it ever comes. |
Thank you for letting me know these details, as I didn't know anything about Steve's situation. We have met other PA people, and always had very good experiences. In fact, some of them have become fast friends of ours, and we always look forward to meeting PA members in real life. There was no reason whatsoever for Steve to leave the site because of us, and the fact his departure happened almost at the same time as our dinner meeting must be nothing but an unfortunate coincidence. Save
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 13:19
Could someone explain who makes the decisions on whom to
ban and for what reasons, and why would they choose to ban anyone but those who regularly post illegal content?
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 13:35
^That's a good question and frankly I never noticed that he needed to be banned per se but then as I said I'm not a mod. Apparently those comments above (and others I assume) were enough to get him booted from PA. I'm also not sure why Svetonio was banned. He was a bit of a PIA at times but what exactly did he do that deserved banning?
btw...I'm not trying to resurrect old trouble.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 13:37
Admins/mods make the final call, and there's commonly plenty of discussion. I have suspended tons of people/bots mostly who only made one spam post (no discussion needed). I did ban one person based on one post when he threatened to kill and rape members of this forum and their families (I discussed it after the fact of banning). I also contacted police. That was serious enough to take quick action.
Suspensions are for violating forum rules and usually for a non-spammer, non-big-time joined just to make trouble type, there would be multiple warnings that are disregarded. If someone continues to break the rules despite the warnings then suspension is justified by site policy. The issue is discussed and different opinions from the community are taken into consideration.
I don't like bannings (except when egregious or spammers) and I don't like to stifle free speech, but sometimes the situation is just not tolerable. As for Steve G, I wasn't around when whatever it was went down so I don't know the details.
EDIT -- Here's the Site rules and guidelines for any who may not have read it: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13083" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13083
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 14:02
I'm neither an admin nor a fascist but think it would make sense to only
issue temporary bans (one day to a couple of weeks max) for established users who generally follow the rules.
Also, it seems that Steve is not currently banned. Never mind Ii'm durnk .
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 14:08
Meltdowner wrote:
^ Another "everything sucks" phase? |
honestly, I have no idea what all this about. Maybe everything does suck.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 14:27
Neither do I.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 14:31
Vomps, yeah, temporary suspensions are more common in these instances than permabans. Permabans for non-spammers have been exceedingly rare in my experience. I think a few people have been suspended multiple times. I guess a "3 suspensions you're banned" rule might be fair, but I think it's commonly on a case-by-case basis.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 14:33
That seems relatively fair k
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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 15:04
Every once in a blue moon that I stop by on this forum still as a newbie I'm astounded either by some unique and weird music.. or some other non-musical weirdness. No idea who Steve is, neither what stuff 'sucks' on here, but this time you put that pretty hilarious movie 'Asterix and Obelix On Her Majesty's Service' stuck in my mind heheh ... wondering whether it could make an interesting concept for a prog rock album Btw I'm just not willing to poke fun at anything here at all, not my intention here or on any sort of forum.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 17:39
Message from SteveG via my PM box on PE
StevegSr wrote:
Hi Sean!
Please post this letter on Prog Archives in the thread about me. I feel that it's needed.
Thanks, SG
“Hi folks!
This is kind of like being deceased and listening to people speak of you.
To get to the heart of the matter, I don’t want to return to PA in any form of discussion forum. I apologize to all for my last outburst, especially to David (Guldbamsen), who got the brunt of my attack. He didn’t deserve it and I do feel sincerely bad about it. I was treated better at PA than I should have been by David, Andy Webb et al, as I know they made allowances for me having known my personal situation at the time. I used PA as what I assumed was just something to pass the time while I attended to wife’s needs.
What I didn’t realize was how much I learned from so many members there. I always felt as if I was speaking to a prog expert or a music expert as opposed to a prog fan with an opinion, which is rampant at the site I now frequent.
I also really enjoyed Timothy Leary’s photos with a hot cup of coffee and I came to appreciate Dean always pushing me for verify my facts and not lean toward conjecture, and I have assumed the same position with others. Despite the occasional blowup with a few members, I did sincerely like all at PA without reservation. As I said, I was conversing with prog experts, not just prog fans.
Btw, I was threatened with suspension at Ppogressive Ears after one of many told me to take my “Prog Archives mentality” and hit the road. As if I was an ambassador from PA. The anti PA bias is incredible. And I wasn’t going to budge. Ironic, isn’t it?
Ok, so this is it. I would like to thank David, Dean, Andy, Sean Trane. Dark Elf, Dr Wu, Timothy Leary, Holy Moly Steve, Barbu, Emigre80, Raff and all who have made my life a little bit better than it would have been over the last two years.
I hope this letter heals some wounds and sets some things to rights.
Regards, SteveG" |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 19:57
Good letter.
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 22:00
Candid and heartwarming. Best wishes for him in the future.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 22:17
There were no wounds to heal on my part. Please wish him the best from us.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 01:31
emigre80 wrote:
There were no wounds to heal on my part. Please wish him the best from us. |
Oh he'sreading the thread allright... (since his message came after my first post on this thread yesterday)
I suppose that's why he's asked me to post this.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 06:31
Thanks for forgetting me Steve! Though no hard feelings.. I am a strong man.. a secure one very used to being overshadowed by my dear sweetheart of a wife haha
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 08:00
I hope he can be reinstated.
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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 10:26
I couldn't really get to know him for a long time, but I do agree strongly that the people here are real music and prog experts.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 10:38
Myself, I'm no expert. I'm just a prog fan. You can tell me by the way I walk.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 12:14
rushfan4 wrote:
Myself, I'm no expert. I'm just a prog fan. You can tell me by the way I walk. |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 12:58
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 13:04
Vompatti wrote:
Could someone explain who makes the decisions on whom to
ban and for what reasons, and why would they choose to ban anyone but those who regularly post illegal content?
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Sure, but I can only speak for myself. It's something I did with regret and only as a last resort, and only then after considered and level-headed discussion in the AZ with our fellow Admins.
During my time we had a rule that an Admin could not moderate on discussions he was actively involved in (this seldom applies to current Admins as they generally are not as active on the forum as we were back then), this way we could avoid being accused of misusing our authority and could freely partake in forum discussions. This had a secondary effect that we'd usually step away from any disciplinary discussions involving someone who we'd previously had a heated exchange with. So we tried to be as impartial as was humanly possible to be in a small community such as ours.
To actually be banned took a great deal of effort. The quickest way is to make a racist comment as we had (and hopefully still have) a zero tolerance for that behaviour - the moment we start tolerating racism will the day the PA dies in my opinion - I like it here because we have a high-level of acceptance of people regardless of who they are.
So... Usually there would be an official warning sent by PM to all parties involved. I would say that in the majority of cases that would be the end the situation. As Bob would have said, the person would "take a telling" - we generally would not enter into a he-said/she-said argument with the person being warned. If the person stopped doing whatever it was they were doing the matter was over as far as we were concerned.
However, if that warning was not heeded then a temporary suspension was imposed - usually a week or a month depending on how belligerent the miscreant was and the seriousness of his misdemeanor. Contrary to popular belief, we didn't actually hold grudges or anything as petty as that. Some people like to flatter themselves that they were on an Admin's-hit list but if such a list existed I never saw it in the seven years I was an Admin. We'd also not punish someone twice for the same offence, if the second offence was the same as the first then generally they would get the same punishment as before - again, it would take a lot for someone to get progressively longer and longer suspensions.
There are some who were serial offenders - not only was their behaviour disruptive and aggressive, it got progressively worse - once two people (I guess you know of whom I refer) returned after an unprecedented one year ban only to start stirring up trouble all over again. They were given fair warning that such behaviour was not tolerated but they continued (probably for their own amusement) so after, as I have said before, considered and level-headed discussion in the AZ they were given a permaban.
In seven years I only dealt out the permaban-hammer on one occasion - it was I who kicked out Walter - not for his silly belief that everything post 1989 was crap, but for relentlessly attacking every modern-prog loving newbie who joined the site despite being repeatedly warned to stop or be suspended. Again, this was discussed in the AZ and the decision was made that we liked having newbies free to join this site without being harassed much more than we enjoyed laughing at Walter.
I did hand out one temporary suspension to someone who then tracked me down on social media and called me a four-letter word that begins with c and ends with unt. Bemused by this I mentioned the incident in the AZ- the other Admins didn't find it that funny so they permabanned him. Personally I was looking forward to his return so I could rip him a new arsehole, but there you go.
Now - here's a thing - some people who claim to have been permabanned from here actually never were. There is some weird kind of kudos attached with being dealt a life-ban from an internet forum - some may have received a temporary 1-week suspension and chose never to return, and some simply ran away after receiving an official warning. I recall one member asked to be demoted then stated elsewhere that he had been demoted, leaving everyone to infer that the demotion was imposed upon him by us. People on the Internet are strange.
So let's put this into perspective - the actual number of people who have been permabanned from here is a very very small number even when you count all the spam-bots and ratings abusers with multiple accounts. If we just count real people who interacted on the forum for any length of time then it is probably less than 20... 20 out of 56,130 people who have apparently signed up as members over the past 12 years. Even if that is a low-estimate and the real figure is 200 (which it most certainly isn't) that's still a stupidly small percentage that actually shows how much we favour redemption and forgiveness over permanent banning.
I hope that answers your question.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 15:41
Dean wrote:
a four-letter word that begins with c and ends with unt.
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Which, incidentally, is something I cannot do.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 04:15
Dean wrote:
So let's put this into perspective - the actual number of people who have been permabanned from here is a very very small number even when you count all the spam-bots and ratings abusers with multiple accounts. If we just count real people who interacted on the forum for any length of time then it is probably less than 20... 20 out of 56,130 people who have apparently signed up as members over the past 12 years. Even if that is a low-estimate and the real figure is 200 (which it most certainly isn't) that's still a stupidly small percentage that actually shows how much we favour redemption and forgiveness over permanent banning. |
Absolutely not doubting the numbers, but 20 would be just that Wallace character and his many reincarnations, no??
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 05:21
Sean Trane wrote:
Absolutely not doubting the numbers, but 20 would be just that Wallace character and his many reincarnations, no??
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not quite, though he accounts for maybe a third of that.
Shame he couldn't control himself because he was mostly tolerable and moderately knowledgeable, I chalked him up as a lost cause some time ago after giving him far more second chances than he rightfully deserved.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 16:21
Dean wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Could someone explain who makes the decisions on whom to
ban and for what reasons, and why would they choose to ban anyone but those who regularly post illegal content?
| [much words] . . . [/] (ellipsis mine)
I hope that answers your question. | It does k
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 20:49
Polymorphia wrote:
Dean wrote:
a four-letter word that begins with c and ends with unt.
| "Count?"
Which, incidentally, is something I cannot do. |
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