You’ve got to be kidding...
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Topic: You’ve got to be kidding...
Posted By: Arsillus
Subject: You’ve got to be kidding...
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 20:21
 Why is Dillenger Escape Plan on Prog Archives? They're just noisy trash. What is this friggin' site coming to?
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 20:26
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I don't agree either, they might be good stuff (at least their first album), but not Progressive!
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Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:01
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I wouldn't call them noisy trash, they're a talented post-hardcore band, However, I agree, they're certainly not prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Violenza/?chartstyle=tree"> 
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:38
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Math Metal. One hell of a great band! Especially with the GOD Mike Patton. Noisy trash is Rush, for sure! ------------- And above all, is punk 
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Posted By: Moody Mellow
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:42
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Rush isn't noisy trash! The Sex Pistols are noisy trash. Rush may be loud, but they make the sound work for them. ------------- The word is "Dreamer" And it really suits you... |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:45
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You are entitled to your own opinions..... |
Fantômas wrote:Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:46
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Now I don't think anyone's coming to the Sex Pistols' rescue. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Violenza/?chartstyle=tree">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:49
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Sex Pistols were a great band. Do we mean Trash or Thrash here? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:51
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Hey, most of the Sex Pistols could play their instruments!!
Just kidding ------------- Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn... 
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:52
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Fantomas, could you please explain math rock.. I've never known what this meant ------------- Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:52
They could all play, except Sid Vicious that is...he really didn't have a clue! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Moody Mellow
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:53
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Yeah, and Blitzkrieg Bop by the Ramones is a complex musical piece that demonstrates their boundless talent.
------------- The word is "Dreamer" And it really suits you... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:56
No, its a really good rock song, thats all! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:57
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They're far from being traditional prog, but they certainly do have
progressive tendencies, and to call them "noisy trash" is just plain
ignorant. If you don't like them, then ignore them, but they're a lot
more progressive than many of the other bands on this site and I see no
good reason for them to be removed.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: Moody Mellow
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:58
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Yeah, I know. I actually kind of like the Ramones. They basically started punk and everybody else copied their three-cords. ------------- The word is "Dreamer" And it really suits you... |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 23:06
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Sex Pistols at least is an original band, Rush ISN'T. For the one who asked, Math Metal is a mix of Metal, Jazz and Grindcore. It is characterized by a show of skill, changeable time signatures, and often dissonant or atonal guitar riffs. It's technically demanding. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Solids2k
Date Posted: August 21 2005 at 00:26
| I think The Dillinger Escape Plan is progressive in every sense of the word! Just because their music is turned up to '11' so to speak and their plentiful musical ideas are sandwiched into shorter tracks than what is apparently considered 'kosher' amongst certain progressive ROCK fans does not erase this fact. I felt they were a viable addition to progarchives because it was my understanding that this site caters to all aspects of progressive music rather than solely '70s prog. It's apparent the original poster of this thread is not a fan of DEP's music, which is fine as he does not have to be, but dismissing them as trash seems absurd to me and I would expect more from a community of intelligent fans of intelligent music, and in my mind intelligent music would encompass The Dillinger Escape Plan. |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: August 21 2005 at 01:41
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Isn't a facet of progressive music to push boundaries; not to mention, expanding horizons and opening up the doors to cross-genre pollination so to speak? Do we really need to caterwaul incessantly about such trite malarky in labelization? It's just a tad ironic how the mainstream listeners backintheday were dismissive of the esteemed prog giants ('what the f**k is this sh*t?!?') and subsequently grew to like them...and now we're in a similar situation of premature presumptions and indolence. Some music takes time to understand...and some doesn't...if you don't like a band, move on...it's as simple as that, why do you have to waste my (granted, I don't have much) time and yours over this? But, for the most part, get your heads out of your asses...seriously...Dillinger might not be my cup of tea personally (albeit I like a few songs and respect their lactose-intolerant genre breach to the Gigantour's Metal cliches in a few days) but they're at least trying to make some interesting music which you typically don't hear. Even though Genghis Tron and Ion Dissonance are in a similar "post-hardcore" vein as well... Don't mind my rant. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: August 21 2005 at 03:49
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Here's my stance: Progressive rock, in my opinion, is just that: progressive. While I understand that many people have a very "classic" opinion of what constitutes prog rock (Yes, Genesis, ELP, Tull, etc...), I think that ANY band that stretches the boundaries of rock music is worthy of inclusion on this site. Prog is unique in terms of music genres, it is not necessarily indicitive of a specific sound, but more an ethos. To all naysayers who have resentment to the inclusion of this band or that band on this site I say, pshaw! If you like/dislike them is of no matter: the fact that someone is aware of the genre and associates the band with it is usually good enough for me. Any band that challenges convention to produce intelligent rock music gets at least one listen from me, if I don't like it, then I move on. But I don't question the label: prog is big enough for everyone! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: plodder
Date Posted: August 21 2005 at 04:57
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Hooray, another one. /gets out book, writes dowm "Math Metal" I'm building up quite a list. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/plodder/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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