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Topic: 10cc or QueenPosted By: justin4950834-2
Subject: 10cc or Queen
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 12:39
Two great prog related bands, which one do you like better
Replies: Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 12:43
Queen, by an Astronomical Unit.
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Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 12:55
10cc. How Dare You is a fixture in my top 10 albums of all time, and their other albums up to Deceptive Bends aren't too shabby.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 12:57
Queen were 10cc wannabes.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 13:03
10cc by a syringe
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 13:10
10cc had several nice pop songs, but Queen had several great albums. No contest.
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 13:25
How Dare You is a favorite but I still have a soft spot for Original Soundtrack.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 13:43
ridiculous!Queen and sorry any other answer is plain daft(I can't even say I'm a great fan of Queen or hate 10CC)
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 14:00
Like 10CC, but love Queen. Queen is just sooo much better IMO. They have versatility and their singers are much better than 10CC's.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 14:47
love Queen
need to listen to more 10cc
I just know their radio stuff
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 15:03
Queen by a significant margin.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 16:56
The Dark Elf wrote:
10cc had several nice pop songs, but Queen had several great albums. No contest.
You've obviously never heard Sheet Music, then.
One of the most brilliantly crafted albums of all time. And The Original Soundtrack is also quite remarkable.
I love Queen up to A Night at the Opera, but my vote goes to 10cc for being so clever, so innovative and so damn funny.
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Posted By: Guy Guden
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 17:48
Hercules wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
10cc had several nice pop songs, but Queen had several great albums. No contest.
You've obviously never heard Sheet Music, then.
One of the most brilliantly crafted albums of all time. And The Original Soundtrack is also quite remarkable.
I love Queen up to A Night at the Opera, but my vote goes to 10cc for being so clever, so innovative and so damn funny.
10cc. Sheet Music is brilliant. Superb musicians.
Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 17:56
Here isn't anything to consider. Queen is far better. Listen to Queen II - it's fantastic stuff and as we are on progressive music site, this is probably the most progressive record Queen has ever done. If they did nothing else (and they did in fact), they would be winner here.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 18:05
One Word: QUEEN
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 18:29
Queen.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 23:08
The Dark Elf wrote:
10cc had several nice pop songs, but Queen had several great albums. No contest.
This---I tried to like 10cc after one of my gods (Tony Banks) said a few good things about hem--but only succeeded in liking some of their songs--Queen when it hits the mark is great.
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 01:26
Voted 10cc due to The Original Soundtrack (1977) and Live And Let Live (1977) which is one of my favourite 70s live albums
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 02:00
Libor10 wrote:
Here isn't anything to consider. Queen is far better. Listen to Queen II - it's fantastic stuff and as we are on progressive music site, this is probably the most progressive record Queen has ever done. If they did nothing else (and they did in fact), they would be winner here.
I'm only just beginning to explore Queen's back catalogue but already I feel that Sheer Heart Attack is a big jump forward from II. I've got A Night At The Opera and A Day At The Races on order and will probably get Innuendo soon but I guess I can stop at that point, right?
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 03:04
10cc has One Night in Paris and Feel the Benefit, Queen has all the other aces.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 07:19
Queen by miles and miles and miles and miles..
I'm surprised anyone would have to ask
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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 09:03
[QUOTE=richardh]I'm only just beginning to explore Queen's back catalogue but already I feel that Sheer Heart Attack is a big jump forward from II. I've got A Night At The Opera and A Day At The Races on order and will probably get Innuendo soon but I guess I can stop at that point, right?[/QUOTE
Until A Night At The Opera it's the Queen at their best. You couldn't do any mistake with their first four records. IMO their '70th stuff is great so until Jazz it's fine (although you couldn't expect too much progressiveness from later records - News Of The World or Jazz namely - but it's still the Queen). Then from The Game it starts to be more pop/disco (but here and there there are great songs anyway on all their records) with the lowest point usually considered around Hot Space and The Works. Then it's starts to be better onward to Innuendo.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 02:04
Libor10 wrote:
[QUOTE=richardh]I'm only just beginning to explore Queen's back catalogue but already I feel that Sheer Heart Attack is a big jump forward from II. I've got A Night At The Opera and A Day At The Races on order and will probably get Innuendo soon but I guess I can stop at that point, right?[/QUOTE
Until A Night At The Opera it's the Queen at their best. You couldn't do any mistake with their first four records. IMO their '70th stuff is great so until Jazz it's fine (although you couldn't expect too much progressiveness from later records - News Of The World or Jazz namely - but it's still the Queen). Then from The Game it starts to be more pop/disco (but here and there there are great songs anyway on all their records) with the lowest point usually considered around Hot Space and The Works. Then it's starts to be better onward to Innuendo.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 02:17
By the way, Farrokh Bulsara was a great singer without a question, but back in 70s I enjoyed 10cc vocals far more.
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 04:34
Wanorak wrote:
Like 10CC, but love Queen. Queen is just sooo much better IMO. They have versatility and their singers are much better than 10CC's.
10cc had FOUR great singers - Queen had only one great one and two decent ones.
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Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 14:38
Sorry but I can't take Queen seriously. Got to be 10cc, shouldn't really be a contest. Queen... Really?
Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 15:26
chrijom wrote:
Sorry but I can't take Queen seriously. Got to be 10cc, shouldn't really be a contest. Queen... Really?
I have exactly the same meaning with the band names changed ;-)
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 05:43
10cc easily.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 14:12
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 14:49
Hi,
Always thought 10CC was more important because of where they came from and also for where they took a lot of their stuff. They wrote for many folks before their band, including Neil Sedaka, and then Hotlegs (had the hit for Nearderthal Man, and then 10CC ... not to mention that one person in the group directed almost ALL the videos for The Police at the time, which helped introduce the band on MTV.
Queen has some outstanding things, but really ... it's just a rock band! A good rock band, mind you!
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 18:09
irrelevant wrote:
10cc easily.
agreed
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 18:17
Queen +1
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 18:07
10cc. As someone said, can't take Queen seriously ...
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 06:07
akaBona wrote:
10cc. As someone said, can't take Queen seriously ...
why not?
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:03
Cristi wrote:
akaBona wrote:
10cc. As someone said, can't take Queen seriously ...
why not?
Well, as an astute friend of mine once put it, just look at the name.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:10
Rednight wrote:
Cristi wrote:
akaBona wrote:
10cc. As someone said, can't take Queen seriously ...
why not?
Well, as an astute friend of mine once put it, just look at the name.
You do realize that the term "10cc" originally equated to the alleged amount of semen in the average male ejaculation. So, the comparative "seriousness" aspect in the band names is quite laughable.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:28
Ah, 10cc, The Lovin' Spoonful and Pearl Jam... alas all three are probably apocryphal urban myths.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:36
Dean wrote:
Ah, 10cc, The Lovin' Spoonful and Pearl Jam... alas all three are probably apocryphal urban myths.
In re, 10cc. Graham Gouldman stated in regards to the band's name:
"The average male ejaculation is 10cc. There’s a couple of reasons really, but that’s the short answer."
I see no reason to doubt it. It certainly less idiotic an answer than "it came to me in a dream" as once was foisted about.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:38
Curiously, all eight people involved have written No 1 singles for their respective bands - Queen members individually and 10cc in pairs.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:43
Dean wrote:
Curiously, all eight people involved have written No 1 singles for their respective bands - Queen members individually and 10cc in pairs.
Well, one can always get their allotted 10cc in solo or in pairs.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 10:44
The Dark Elf wrote:
Dean wrote:
Ah, 10cc, The Lovin' Spoonful and Pearl Jam... alas all three are probably apocryphal urban myths.
In re, 10cc. Graham Gouldman stated in regards to the band's name:
"The average male ejaculation is 10cc. There’s a couple of reasons really, but that’s the short answer."
I see no reason to doubt it. It certainly less idiotic an answer than "it came to me in a dream" as once was foisted about.
I was aware of the Gouldman quote - but the dream one is the version given by King (who coined the name) and the rest of the band, hence the "probably".
...though a lot of what King claims can be taken with a pinch of salt, his claim to naming Genesis has been refuted by someone in the band (I forget who now).
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 11:04
Dean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Dean wrote:
Ah, 10cc, The Lovin' Spoonful and Pearl Jam... alas all three are probably apocryphal urban myths.
In re, 10cc. Graham Gouldman stated in regards to the band's name:
"The average male ejaculation is 10cc. There’s a couple of reasons really, but that’s the short answer."
I see no reason to doubt it. It certainly less idiotic an answer than "it came to me in a dream" as once was foisted about.
I was aware of the Gouldman quote - but the dream one is the version given by King (who coined the name) and the rest of the band, hence the "probably".
...though a lot of what King claims can be taken with a pinch of salt, his claim to naming Genesis has been refuted by someone in the band (I forget who now).
Needless to say, the point I was originally making was the idea that Queen should not be taken seriously because of their band name is a silly notion. Particularly with so many serious bands with so many silly names. Jethro Toe, for instance.
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 11:19
10cc is good but Queen is much better.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 14:34
Dean wrote:
Curiously, all eight people involved have written No 1 singles for their respective bands - Queen members individually and 10cc in pairs.
that's a great fact , and makes me wonder what No1's did John Deacon and Roger Taylor write? Your My Best Friend is my guess for Deacon , but for Taylor not a clue. Its got to be something like Hammer To Fall I reckon.
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 14:48
^Hammer to Fall is written by May and it's never topped the charts in the UK.
Queen's UK No 1 singles are: Bohemian Rhapsody (Mercury), Under Pressure (Queen & Bowie, all five involved in songwriting), Innuendo (Mercury & Taylor), These Are the Days of Our Lives (Taylor).
Queen's US No 1 singles were: Crazy Little Thing Called Love (Mercury), Another One Bites the Dust (Deacon).
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 16:41
May's number one was We Will Rock You ... Number one in France.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 18:17
I m Not In Love - this alone kill me right now arghhhhhhhh!! Compared to Queen? Seriously? Wow there is no comparison for me really. I love Queen, even more compared to that
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 18:22
ole-the-first wrote:
^ Under Pressure (Queen & Bowie, all five involved in songwriting),
Mm ba ba de / Um bum ba de / Um bu bu bum da de..... big hug to you, ole-the-first
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 18:34
TUM TUM TUM TA, TUM TUM TUM TA... Genius they made a drum click track into a song tune Queen - We Will Rock You (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk&index=2&list=PLeoBVKHKNsGrW_sV5aVEX8pUnGBW0foAg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk&index=2&list=PLeoBVKHKNsGrW_sV5aVEX8pUnGBW0foAg XXXX
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 18:43
Dynamite with a laser beam
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 19:32
Queen - Killer Queen... great guitar tune too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7fIywLFeg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7fIywLFeg xxxxxx
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 19:48
I miss Ivan a lot here on PA This song I dedicate to Ivan Queen - Las Palabras De Amor (Top Of The Pops, 1982) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaeKSQUdBE4&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwNCMWxAGZao-G4-sIKxA9T3&index=2" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaeKSQUdBE4&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwNCMWxAGZao-G4-sIKxA9T3&index=2
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 19:57
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 20:15
Queen - We Are the Champions (Live Aid, Wembley Stadium, 1985) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKlrRwJB8A" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKlrRwJB8A xxxxxxx
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 14:38
Dean wrote:
May's number one was We Will Rock You ... Number one in France.
does that count?
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 15:01
richardh wrote:
Dean wrote:
May's number one was We Will Rock You ... Number one in France.
does that count?
A larger population than Great Britain... I'd say that counts quite nicely.
I never said they all had number ones in the same country
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 02:02
Dean wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dean wrote:
May's number one was We Will Rock You ... Number one in France.
does that count?
A larger population than Great Britain... I'd say that counts quite nicely.
I never said they all had number ones in the same country
It always amused me that someone covered the ELP/Greg Lake song C'est la Vie and had a big hit in France because one presumes it had a French title.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 23 2015 at 22:21
richardh wrote:
Dean wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dean wrote:
May's number one was We Will Rock You ... Number one in France.
does that count?
A larger population than Great Britain... I'd say that counts quite nicely.
I never said they all had number ones in the same country
It always amused me that someone covered the ELP/Greg Lake song C'est la Vie and had a big hit in France because one presumes it had a French title.
tum tum ta..! tum tum ta..! tum tum ta..! (drums) .... ta ta ta da di tata, da da dadi ta ta ta tatata (fast singing vocals) ... We will, we will rock you... da dum! hahaha...
I don't care what it may be against with, it's a winner, it makes me happy and bouncy! dada dadida da da da.. we will we will rock you... tam tam..
Group hug
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 23 2015 at 22:49
Queen by kilometers.
Anyway, 10 cc's "Feel the benefit" is a great song with an entire part 'dedicated' to my country (all misleading but never mind). Ah, the song video reserves a surprise in the last frame.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 03:22
Rednight wrote:
Cristi wrote:
akaBona wrote:
10cc. As someone said, can't take Queen seriously ...
why not?
Well, as an astute friend of mine once put it, just look at the name.
that's the lamest excuse for dissing a band.
hope you were making a joke...
Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 04:12
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 06:42
Cristi wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Cristi wrote:
akaBona wrote:
10cc. As someone said, can't take Queen seriously ...
why not?
Well, as an astute friend of mine once put it, just look at the name.
that's the lamest excuse for dissing a band.
hope you were making a joke...
I personally can't get past the term "dissing."
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 06:58
^Queen were an electic band with skillful songwriting, technical supremacy and will for constant experimentation. People who sayng they 'don't take them seriously', 'Queen were a silly pop group' and things like those always appeared to me like merely a snobs (in bad sense of word).
Don't take Queen seriously because they were too popular? Because they could come up with good catchy & beautiful melodies? All this snobist talk about how Queen were bad just makes no sense for me.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:01
Anyone who has total disregard towards Queen, I won't discuss further really. Our music taste and views obviously are too much apart.
Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:34
I suppose, those 'snobs' who rant against Queen don't mean band's poor musicianship, songwriting etc. The main problem with Queen actually is frequent crowd-oriented arena-rock sound and sometimes Freddy goes overboard with gimmicks, so that sincerety is questionable. But of course, overall it is unique band in it's synthesis of opera and heavy metal, tons of great melodies and erm.. The Voice
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:42
windycrawford wrote:
I suppose, those 'snobs' who rant against Queen don't mean band's poor musicianship, songwriting etc. The main problem with Queen actually is frequent crowd-oriented arena-rock sound and sometimes Freddy goes overboard with gimmicks, so that sincerety is questionable. But of course, overall it is unique band in it's synthesis of opera and heavy metal, tons of great melodies and erm.. The Voice
I am confused here.
Queen had prog elements but now I quote you: "The main problem with Queen actually is frequent crowd-oriented arena-rock sound and sometimes Freddy goes overboard with gimmicks, so that sincerety is questionable. But of course, overall it is unique band in it's synthesis of opera and heavy metal, tons of great melodies and erm..."
Peter Gabriel during Genesis among other performances performed wearing a red dress while wearing a fox on his head. Bowie ok nevermind he is just hot no matter what.
I see nothing wrong with gimmicks inc. Rick Wakeman's red cape.
Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:45
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:47
windycrawford wrote:
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about
Vocals gimmicks? I don't what you mean with this?
Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:51
Kati wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about
Vocals gimmicks? I don't what you mean with this?
vocal gimmicks—nonsensical vowels, syllables, and sounds—to get songs stuck in your head. uh ah yeah lalala
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:56
windycrawford wrote:
Kati wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
It's vocal gimmicks Im talking about
Vocals gimmicks? I don't what you mean with this?
vocal gimmicks—nonsensical vowels, syllables, and sounds—to get songs stuck in your head. uh ah yeah lalala
Oh ha ok to me this is a plus, brilliant! The Beatles who started this too, either with vocal harmonies or just silly lyrics. Infact most memorable songs in history are like that.
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 08:24
mum diddley washing
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 08:31
Dean wrote:
mum diddley washing
Dean! You see, we speak same language Indeedy it's Mum to mud to mad to dad more
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 08:32
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:03
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
I love what you said, Irrelevant
Indeed, even Bowie early albums are classified as art rock however they too are heave prog orientated. A big hug to you,
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:12
Kati wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
I love what you said, Irrelevant
Indeed, even Bowie early albums are classified as art rock however they too are heave prog orientated. A big hug to you,
I'm like a broken record when talking about 10cc here
Thankyou
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Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:28
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions.
Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 09:59
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions.
Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
Ah, the old "what is prog" conversation. I was gonna go there but decided to backspace and type this instead.
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Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 10:03
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions.
Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
Ah, the old "what is prog" conversation. I was gonna go there but decided to backspace and type this instead.
mature decision
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 12:16
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
Art rock and prog rock quite close to hand-in-hand, no?
Those who doubt 10cc's "prog credentials" should check out some of the more out-there tracks from Sheet Music, The Original Soundtrack and How Dare You! Pop rock it is, straightforward it often isn't. Those who only know 'em for I'm Not in Love and The Things We Do for Love may be a bit surprised when they hear Une Nuit a Paris or Iceberg.
Of course, it's impossible to draw a distinct border between prog- and art-rock, everyone's following his own criteria, just like in case with hard-rock and heavy-metal. To my mind, Pink Floyd is the band, standing on the very edge of this border. I hope, this statement explains to you, why I don't consider queen, 10cc, elo and such to belong to prog-related bands. If it doesn't, here are some by book criteria: no philosophical message, no virtuoso-instrumentaion, no tricky structures, almost no lenghty/multi-part compositions.
Above written doesn't mean I don't like these bands(actually I do) or I don't like art-rock or I proclaim huge advantage of prog rock over art-rock.
Ah, the old "what is prog" conversation. I was gonna go there but decided to backspace and type this instead.
mature decision
windycrawford
Your perception of prog. in my opinion is
quite distorted and MISUNDERSTOOD. No
philosophical message? What does that mean? I for one don’t think lyrics are necessary,
also in philosophical terms I DO NOT
LIKE to be preached upon or hear whatever sermons one has to say, this is just silly and redundant to me, no
virtuoso-instrumentaion how can you say this? No tricky structures, almost no
lenghty/multi-part composition. This is too silly really. Reading all this, I
lost any will to discuss this further, I am lost for words.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 15:21
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
And I have to agree with you.....never thought either band was 'proggy' .
But then I don't think Zep or the Who are especially prog related either yet they are listed that way here.
Both bands had some nice tracks but if you made me sit down and listen to one of these bands for any length of time I would go with Queen.
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Posted By: windycrawford
Date Posted: April 28 2015 at 02:40
dr wu23 wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
And I have to agree with you.....never thought either band was 'proggy' .
But then I don't think Zep or the Who are especially prog related either yet they are listed that way here.
Both bands had some nice tracks but if you made me sit down and listen to one of these bands for any length of time I would go with Queen.
While you can hardly find any pure prog albums/songs in LedZep catalogue, the band is certainly prog-related with its tricky arrangements, complex riffs and mystical lyricism. The Who, on the other hand, issued "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" which are not less proggy than "The Wall" for instance.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 28 2015 at 09:07
windycrawford wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
And I have to agree with you.....never thought either band was 'proggy' .
But then I don't think Zep or the Who are especially prog related either yet they are listed that way here.
Both bands had some nice tracks but if you made me sit down and listen to one of these bands for any length of time I would go with Queen.
While you can hardly find any pure prog albums/songs in LedZep catalogue, the band is certainly prog-related with its tricky arrangements, complex riffs and mystical lyricism. The Who, on the other hand, issued "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" which are not less proggy than "The Wall" for instance.
And we are back to the old...what is prog discussion.
Regarding arrangements, riffs, and lyrics there are probably plenty of bands who aren't here as 'prog related' but should be based on that criteria. Zep is huge , famous, and well liked ,,,,prolly why they are here.
On the Who...Tommy does have some interesting bits here and there that cross over into prog at times but I don't hear this on Quad which has some orchestration (is that prog.?) But even so does that make what The Who did on those 2 albums prog..?
Floyd had many prog and of course space rock elements on many of their earlier albums and always had a history of expanding their musical ideas so I can see why The Wall is included in your comment but as you alluded there is plenty of regular rock on that one.
In the end it's matter of opinion....isn't it?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 28 2015 at 10:01
dr wu23 wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
And I have to agree with you.....never thought either band was 'proggy' .
But then I don't think Zep or the Who are especially prog related either yet they are listed that way here.
Both bands had some nice tracks but if you made me sit down and listen to one of these bands for any length of time I would go with Queen.
While you can hardly find any pure prog albums/songs in LedZep catalogue, the band is certainly prog-related with its tricky arrangements, complex riffs and mystical lyricism. The Who, on the other hand, issued "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" which are not less proggy than "The Wall" for instance.
And we are back to the old...what is prog discussion.
Regarding arrangements, riffs, and lyrics there are probably plenty of bands who aren't here as 'prog related' but should be based on that criteria. Zep is huge , famous, and well liked ,,,,prolly why they are here.
On the Who...Tommy does have some interesting bits here and there that cross over into prog at times but I don't hear this on Quad which has some orchestration (is that prog.?) But even so does that make what The Who did on those 2 albums prog..?
Floyd had many prog and of course space rock elements on many of their earlier albums and always had a history of expanding their musical ideas so I can see why The Wall is included in your comment but as you alluded there is plenty of regular rock on that one.
In the end it's matter of opinion....isn't it?
Cupla things...
Proto Prog and Prog Related are not Prog.
The Who are in Proto-Prog and not Prog Related. The distinction is key otherwise we'd not have two distinctly separate categories. I've no real intention of launching into a defence of a band I don't like very much, or of their inclusion here or of PA's decision to have PR & PP categories at all. However. The main point is they don't have to have created a whole or partial Prog album or even a Prog song to be listed there in that category.
Prog Related is a mess, it always has been and it always will be - why it is a mess is to do with PA's murky history but in recent years the various Admin teams have worked to prevent it becoming even more of a mess, and that means being selective about who else gets added to the current list. In principle they could add hundreds of artists, especially if they blindly follow an IF X THEN Y criteria based on bands who are already listed, but that would result in a bigger PR section than the rest of the PA put together ... which would make PA little better than a second-rate RYM rather than a first-rate Prog site.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 28 2015 at 14:34
windycrawford wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
windycrawford wrote:
I don't think, any of these two bands are prog-related. Queen is almost the definition of art-rock and 10cc is definitely in pop-rock department.
And I have to agree with you.....never thought either band was 'proggy' .
But then I don't think Zep or the Who are especially prog related either yet they are listed that way here.
Both bands had some nice tracks but if you made me sit down and listen to one of these bands for any length of time I would go with Queen.
While you can hardly find any pure prog albums/songs in LedZep catalogue, the band is certainly prog-related with its tricky arrangements, complex riffs and mystical lyricism. The Who, on the other hand, issued "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" which are not less proggy than "The Wall" for instance.
Sorry, but I was around in the 70s and 10CC were THE art rock band, and art rock was considered a key part of prog.
Listen to One Night in Paris: it and the whole Original Soundtrack album are both extremely progressive.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 29 2015 at 01:52
I actually struggle with the idea that 10CC were any kind of rock band. The were definitely arty though.
(... as were ABBA)
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 30 2015 at 23:28
Just in case I am misunderstood "again", gamers will understand what I mean here
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: May 01 2015 at 09:12
Both bands released 4 excellent albums before turning toward pop drivel.
Although Queen had much more popular success after abandoning their early, art rock sound, they also became far too saccharine and mostly boring. 10cc made occasional attempts to return to the quirkiness of their early years, but mostly fell flat.
As for who was better, when evaluating the first four of each? Apples and oranges. I love them both.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 01 2015 at 10:04
richardh wrote:
I actually struggle with the idea that 10CC were any kind of rock band. The were definitely arty though.
(... as were ABBA)
Richard ... you need to get "Rubber Bullets" and "Sheet Music" ... !!!
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 01 2015 at 10:05
Kati wrote:
Just in case I am misunderstood "again", gamers will understand what I mean here
xxx
Heeeeeeeelp!
Posted By: thebeastmustdie
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 11:24
If it wasn't for Sheet Music I'd probably vote Queen, but that one album is pretty much the most creative and brilliantly constructed pop album of the 70s for my money. Not really that fussed about any other 10cc albums although How Dare You has its moments. In fact Godley & Creme's "L" is probably closer to Sheet Music than any other album bearing the 10CC name.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:21
THE WHO!!!!
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:25
Rednight wrote:
Kati wrote:
Just in case I am misunderstood "again", gamers will understand what I mean here
xxx
Heeeeeeeelp!
hahahaha!!! Rednight, go on, pls do accept my hug
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:28
richardh wrote:
I actually struggle with the idea that 10CC were any kind of rock band. The were definitely arty though.
(... as were ABBA)
Richardh,
I honestly think every Swedish person inc. their new generation do love Abba
Big hug to you, xxxx
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 04:34
Kati wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Kati wrote:
Just in case I am misunderstood "again", gamers will understand what I mean here
xxx
Heeeeeeeelp!
hahahaha!!! Rednight, go on, pls do accept my hug
Any time.
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 13:18
10cc - genius; how they got people to buy their veiled humor and inside jokes wrapped around Beach Boys, doo-wop and good old rock n roll....genius.
Queen - genius; how they got people to buy their veiled humor and inside jokes wrapped around Sabbath, whimsical prog and good old rock n roll....genius.
Two bands seemingly very different but really cut from a similar jib. Tongues firmly in cheek, yet selling millions.....Genius.
I dig 10cc more....just more my style, but Queen is a gas, especially those first four albums.
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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 13:35
Evolver wrote:
Both bands released 4 excellent albums before turning toward pop drivel.
Although Queen had much more popular success after abandoning their early, art rock sound, they also became far too saccharine and mostly boring. 10cc made occasional attempts to return to the quirkiness of their early years, but mostly fell flat.
As for who was better, when evaluating the first four of each? Apples and oranges. I love them both.
micky wrote:
THE WHO!!!!
This two answered for me
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 14:59
justin4950834-2 wrote:
Two great prog related bands, which one do you like better
10 CC never did crap àla Radio Gaga or Body Language
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 02:48
Nor would Freddie ever have sung, "I don't like cricket, I love it." Both bands ended on low notes, though Godley and Creme released some stuff that lives up to their 10cc roots.
Would love to hear an FM station play Un nuit en Paris and Bohemian Rhapsody back-to-back....probably hasn't been done since 1978, if ever.
Are either prog? When it's that much fun, who cares what you call it. BTW, I'd call it art rock, maybe even arty rock, but nobody would ever mistake either for Yes.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 03:55
seriously tho' pick Queen or .... :
Queen - Liar (Official Video)
hihihihi hugs
Posted By: TornadoTongue
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 12:58
Why can't I vote in the poll?
I vote 10cc, I love both though. Don't think I'd classify either as prog rock too.