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Topic: A stupide question
Posted By: Varon
Subject: A stupide question
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 08:18
To make this question more comprehensible: would you choose a 1000 CDs of  progrock or 1000 Cds of Jazz and Classical music recordings .
If you really prefer prog to jazz and classical music, I would like to know why.

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 09:13
It's not as stupid a question as you think. This member of a Progressive Rock appreciation site would choose Progressive Rock over jazz and classical but would choose much Post Punk and generic Rock e.g. Kinks, Stones, Who, SAHB, Velvet Underground, over Progressive Rock.

You want to know the reasons why this is so but honestly: Jazz and classical as descriptors, encompasses far too many variegated sources to make the outcome credible e.g. Thelonius Monk and Kenny Ball both qualify as jazz while Stravinsky and Elgar are like two peas in a pod designed by Albert Speer.


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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 09:22
I'm going with Prog Rock as it contains Jazz and Classical elements where as Jazz and Classical doesn't necessarily contain Prog Rock elements even though they helped feed the Prog machine. it's a toughie to be sure.


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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 10:16
well while I can't give up my prog---my taste in prog is way more narrow than some on this site---and most of the prog I like has jazz and or classical influence----and I like a lot of jazz and some classical---not sure either would add up to 1000 CD's---like some have mentioned I have my classic rock and jazz folk heros that are not considered prog but in my mind have prog elements---so guess I will vote prog if I can come up with my own rules as to what I can includeWink


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 10:28
Hi,
 
Jazz and Classical, because it is a bonafide, well defined mode, though the "jazz" label is limiting as heck and sometimes very boring, but it is wider in its appreciation of differences than ... progressive ... has EVER been, which is the reason why I do not like to use the term.
 
For me, I would be happy, and proud, the day that we can be intelligent enough to create a proper definition that will have all the musicos excited to understand, that those raock fans, have finally grown up and learned to appreciate music instead of talking about their favorite songs!
 
On that day, I think "progressive" will be respected. Until then ... let's just go to sleep and call it a night ... even with/without a bomber!


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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 10:33
Prog Rock for sure, although I do love my Jazz/Fusion. I'm just not into Classical at all.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 10:57
Progressive Rock.

Easily. 


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 12:33
Only 1000?

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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 12:50
1000 show tunes (hey, my wife is beating the masculinity right out of me).


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 12:51
1000 show tunes (hey, my wife is beating the masculinity right out of me).


Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 15:47
Prog! I really have to be in the right mood for classical and I'm not much into jazz.

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 15:55
I could probably do without jazz and classical altogether without any pain at all.  I'm hoping I'll learn to appreciate them someday (if I inherit my dad's music collection I will have all the jazz albums I'll ever need).  And I envy people who can enjoy classical music - the music is obviously so rich and there's so much of it - but it just rolls through my ears without much emotional response.  So prog is my vote.


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 18:24
Prog by far.

I like some classical (particularly Sibelius, Dvorak, Vivaldi, Vaughan Williams, Bach) but I really don't like much jazz.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 18:38
Prog is where it all came together for me. I like some classical (Ligeti, Bartok, Schoenberg, Chopin) but, like what Hercules said, it's hard for me to absorb jazz ... unless it's fusion.


Posted By: David64T
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 18:54
Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

To make this question more comprehensible: would you choose a 1000 CDs of  progrock or 1000 Cds of Jazz and Classical music recordings .
If you really prefer prog to jazz and classical music, I would like to know why.


A good question - my answer depends on what the scenario is.

Am I to be marooned on a desert island on my own with only those 1000 CDs to listen to for the rest of my life?  If so, I would choose classical + jazz (mainly classical, a little jazz) - thinking about it, I don't want to lose the option of being wrapped up in the opulent and varied soundscapes of classical music, as much as I love my prog rock....

Am I simply being given 1000 free CDs by a generous person?  If so, I would take the 1000 prog CDs - because classical music is easily obtained and I can hear it on my radio 24 hours a day...

As to whether I prefer prog or jazz/classical in an absolute sense - I cannot answer that...  It's too hard to choose...

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 19:32
I'd hate to have to choose between giving up Triumvirat or Anton Bruckner, but to answer your question, I would go with having a thousand classical with a bit of jazz cds. I find symphonies so soothing and moving, that I think I would miss them more. To me, the Symphony is the highest form of musical art.


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 21:05

Progressive rock



Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 21:07
If someone was giving me a 1000 jazz and classical albums, I would accept them gladly. I would then bundle them all together with rope, rent a construction crane, hoist the records high in the air and drop them on Pedro's head.

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 21:18
That's actually a very difficult choice.


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 21:58
Jazz+Classical Music, even if I like very few of jazz.
Only at my 22-23 years old I began to dig into classical music, but I guess now this is much because I listened to it during my childhood, my father put it at home during his work (he's architect), I remember that Chopin's was my mother favourite... I reckon it's much harder for the people nowadays to dig into this genre if they never listened to it in their whole life, this is one of the main reasons why I think classical music is sadly gradually and increasingly dying. But I think that different is the case of progressive music, whither you are more likely to occasionaly hear some music (be it by chance or not) or someone talking about it.
So it was quite obvious for me that progressive rock was going to win this poll easily, without regarding the fact that this is a progressive rock site. 
 
Regarding the modern and contemporary classical music it happened to me the same that I think happened and might be happening to a lot of people here with the rest of the genre - the few artists I knew didn't attract me that much as a whole. But personally I wouldn't generalize or think the rest of this genre would be quite likely of less interest for me to the point of not digging into them, because the other classical ages did make me kind of a classical nut just for the few classical music I knew (if I consider its at least 300 years lifetime), these few are amongst my most beloved music so far, apart of some music from other genres obviously, as progressive rock for instance.
 
Just as an illustration, I guess that classical music is still one of the most beloved music of many of the renowned prog artists - Keith Emerson, Steve Hackett, Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíu, Jürgen Fritz, Pahr Lindh, Rick Wakeman, Francis Monkman, Gianni Nocenzi, etc.
 
 


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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 22:02
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Only 1000?
 
This is a good observation, this question of course fits better to Jazz and Progressive Rock.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 22:08
I would miss Peter Brotzmann.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 14 2015 at 22:51
I already have a thousand of prog cds so Jazz and classical it is, thanks a lot.

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Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 00:31
The obvious one.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 03:07
Progressive rock

I listen to a little bit of jazz.
I also like some classical music (especially Bach, Chopin and Rachmaninov).


Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 04:25
Jazz & classical. Every time.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 05:02
Prog is the Rock-Lovers dream
Classical is pompous old-fogey music..........
Now I don't mean that in any derogatory way, but there's the difference between generations...........


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 08:01
i am just not interested in actual jazz and classical music... despite being in a music class FILLED with the latter, and the former being done outside of class (Jazz Band; the actual term to describes this escapes me at the moment). PROG FOR ME, but i need to know more of it before i can get to 1000 (which'll probably never happen, lol).

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 08:48
Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

To make this question more comprehensible: would you choose a 1000 CDs of  progrock or 1000 Cds of Jazz and Classical music recordings .
If you really prefer prog to jazz and classical music, I would like to know why.


if you put it that way..

jazz and classical easily... once you get passed the first 250 prog choices (or to be generous 500 albums) ... they would all start sounding the same LOL


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Posted By: floflo79
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 10:27
Prog. I really like classical music, but just some artists, and jazz have awesome stuffs (Miles Davis, all the fusion bands) but also bad stuffs (almost all the other artists). 

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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 10:44
It depends - if I could pick and choose which 1000 albums, then I'd go for the progressive rock choice.
If 1000 albums were foisted upon me, then I'd prefer the jazz & classical option.

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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 14:16
Originally posted by David64T David64T wrote:


A good question - my answer depends on what the scenario is.
Am I to be marooned on a desert island on my own with only those 1000 CDs to listen to for the rest of my life?  
Big smile

I meant that


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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 14:18
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

It depends - if I could pick and choose which 1000 albums 

Of course you will choose 1000 albums, otherwise my question would be pointless


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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 14:20
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


if you put it that way..
jazz and classical easily... once you get passed the first 250 prog choices (or to be generous 500 albums) ... they would all start sounding the same LOL

Agree with you


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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 14:49
I picked jazz and classical.
Over the years I have listened and re-listened to the majority of prog that I own.
More than once I have wandered into the jazz and classical worlds but never really
took the time to explore them thoroughly. 
In those instances I have enjoyed everything I heard and really want to get more into both.
My 1,000 CD breakdown would probably be 750 jazz and 250 classical.



Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 15:00
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Prog is the Rock-Lovers dream
Classical is pompous old-fogey music..........
Now I don't mean that in any derogatory way, but there's the difference between generations...........

Starting to think you're really a prog snob, Tom.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 15:23
Hi,
 
Just to show you all how weird and silly we are ... if this poll was done 40 years ago, classical/jazz would take the cake fast!
 
But the majority of folks, have lost the appreciation of MUSIC, regardless of what kind it is, and when you go around looking for "dark" this or that, or "metal" this or that, or "prog" this or that, all it tells you is that you have lost the ability to actually LISTEN to music!
 
Maybe one day, you will know the difference and what I said ... it's like saying that no one can have the "emotion" of playing on a violin in an orchestra, as opposed to an electric guitar in a rock band -- just because DE told you so! ... that is just so bizarre and out of order, it's not funny ... then you wonder why "musicos" think that progressive and rock music is just a pop song and crap ... because it is, and the people kissing it are still kids loving their favorite songs! It's not even about the MUSIC! Because they can not talk about it as MUSIC!


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:10
you go Pedro!!! LOLClap


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:12
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you go Pedro!!! LOLClap
 
Don't encourage it. It's not like you can get a shot of penicillin and get rid of it.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:16
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you go Pedro!!! LOLClap
 
Don't encourage it. It's not like you can get a shot of penicillin and get rid of it.


Come on be honest with yourself...  aren't his rants more interesting than mine much less anyone elses.  The man has style beyond any of us mere mortals.   I've think whipped the corpse of genesis so much I don't think there is much left.  I've been a parody of myself.. however Pedro?

a mad genius.. LOLClap


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:29
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

  I've been a parody of myself.. however Pedro?

a mad genius.. LOLClap
Pedro is Spanish for parody.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:34
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

  I've been a parody of myself.. however Pedro?

a mad genius.. LOLClap
Pedro is Spanish for parody.


really? see what I mean! LOL Genius!   Whereas Micky is Spanish for what?.... a****le? 

we want to encourage him.. he is a PA's treasure. ClapWink


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 09:25
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

  I've been a parody of myself.. however Pedro?

a mad genius.. LOLClap
Pedro is Spanish for parody.


really? see what I mean! LOL Genius!   Whereas Micky is Spanish for what?.... a****le? 

we want to encourage him.. he is a PA's treasure. ClapWink
 
 
DE just lacks courage and a smile!
 
He can't stand ever being wrong!
 
And when he's made fun of, he can't look in the mirror and smile ... we're all monkees on this bus ... except DE of course! He's an Ape!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 11:06
Prog!


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 11:08
Can someone fix the spelang eror in the thread title?

Please?




Pretty please?


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 11:14
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Can someone fix the spelang eror in the thread title?

Please?




Pretty please?


Yes, it should be "une question stupide" Wink


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 11:43
Absolument. Approve

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 22:26
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

  I've been a parody of myself.. however Pedro?

a mad genius.. LOLClap
Pedro is Spanish for parody.


really? see what I mean! LOL Genius!   Whereas Micky is Spanish for what?.... a****le? 

we want to encourage him.. he is a PA's treasure. ClapWink
And like most treasures, should be buried for a very long time until they gain worth. Pottery shards in the Iron Age were simply rubbish, but several thousand years later they might have an intrinsic value beyond sh*t and sticks. Pedro may be like that.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 03:07
I'd choose prog, though probably in the end jazz and classical would give more variety.
But looking to my listening habits, I listen much, much more to prog.


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: March 25 2015 at 19:18

Progressive rock.



Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 25 2015 at 22:37
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

  I've been a parody of myself.. however Pedro?

a mad genius.. LOLClap
Pedro is Spanish for parody.


really? see what I mean! LOL Genius!   Whereas Micky is Spanish for what?.... a****le? 

we want to encourage him.. he is a PA's treasure. ClapWink
And like most treasures, should be buried for a very long time until they gain worth. Pottery shards in the Iron Age were simply rubbish, but several thousand years later they might have an intrinsic value beyond sh*t and sticks. Pedro may be like that.
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