Porcupine Tree curiosities
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Topic: Porcupine Tree curiosities
Posted By: fractal
Subject: Porcupine Tree curiosities
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 16:50
Have you noticed that "Even Less" lyrics are quite different in
Warzsawa compared to Stupid Dream? Why is that? Is this in any FAQ?  Did you know that the guy talking at the end of "Last Time to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled" is the leader from that religious group that commited suicide when that comet was near Earth?  ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 16:54
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There is a longer version of Even Less ... on the album Recordings, I think. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 16:56
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First, I don't bring you a answer but a question, I know well Stupid Dream but what is Warzsawa (I know that's a city in Poland), a live album? And if is it, is it good? Second, the religious group you're talking about is it "Le temple solaire" or in english "The solar temple"? ------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
fractal wrote:Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:00
Yep, great sample, eh? I don't have Stupid Dream or Warsawa yet, but they're on the list. Intriguing that the lyrics are different. Have you ever wondered what those numbers were at the end of Even Less? Do a google search for "number stations"  ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:03
Nope, he's talking about the "Heaven's Gate" Cult. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:09
Yes, Warzsawa is also the name of a live CD recorded in Warzsawa, Poland. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4764 - Here it is. I like PT live albums and I find this to be the best (biased opinion, I have only heard two live albums from them, Warzsawa and Coma Divine). I don't know the name of the group, but I found a page where it is said that they called themselves "Heaven's Gate" and that the mass suicide was in 1997. ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:12
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Thanks a lot FRACTAL for the answers!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:12
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Its WARSZAWA, NOt WARZAWA!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:25
I didn't say "Warzawa", I said "Warzsawa". I blame Arnold Schwarzenegger. He confused me.  (Yes, I know he is from Austria, not Poland, but the spelling of "warz" comes naturally.) ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: AtomHeartMother
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:28
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I was in the Heaven's Gate cult and I was the only one to survive the suicide attempt. Shot myself 3 times before I noticed this was stupid, and it hurt alot too. ------------- "http://tinypic.com""> 
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:30
Something to do with espionage? I've heard about that don't know where. Urban legend probably?  ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:33
IITS MR GOVERNER, NOT ARNOLD!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:35
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Then there is Voyage 34, which I think has something to do with the
time duration in minutes of someone's bad trip. But why if it is not a
34 minute album?
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:38
You mean Mr. GOVERNATOR? ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:46
I thought Governor was also correct And I still think it is!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:54
I've never listened to that live version but I know that "Even Less" was originally intended to be a(n) (anti-)religious song and had different lyrics with obvious allusions to Mr. Christ. Finally, Wilson took the edge off it by changing the lyrics for the release of "Stupid Dream". Maybe the version on "Warszawa" is the revived original version? ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:03
Is Mr. Wilson atheist? It doesn't surprise me at all, specially after reading some of his lyrics. I am kinda an agnostic pantheist myself. ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:12
Nope - it was the 34th trip that was the "bad one", not 34 minutes. |
Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:18
Sorry, I don't know about his outlook on everything. And I can't find the original lyrics at the moment. Thought you could get them on the PT website but ... nothing. ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:39
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Not Urban Legend at all. The end of Even Less sounds like a CIA short-wave radio "number post" from around 1990. CIA "Cynthia" perchance??? |
Posted By: Microfiction
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 19:09
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What is the meaning of the counting at the end of Even Less? The counting is taken from a recording of a shortwave numbers station. It is understood that these stations are used by intelligence agencies to transmit coded messages to overseas operatives, although no government agency has ever acknowledged the existence of these stations or what their actual purpose might be. http://www.porcupinetree.com/discography.details.cfm?album id=44 ^ demo version lyrics available there and from the porcupine tree unofficial message board.... You wanna hear something hilarious?? We actually asked him about that after one of the shows. We were like... "In Even Less, on the album you sing for even less but live you sing to even less. We were wondering if there is something behind that." SW looks perplexed and responds..... "I never noticed that. That goes to show you... I don't even listen to my own records!" And he laughs. Hope this helps |
Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 19:30
Thanks a lot. This for/to even less thing is certainly one of them. But I think there are more changes than just the prepositions. I will try listening to the live version again and compare with the official lyrics. This should certainly be placed in a FAQ just for fun.  Quite strange those demo lyrics. I am glad he changed. ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: el_Sethro
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 20:50
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All I noticed was that live he
sings "To even less" instead of "For even less". same with the version
on Recordings (that's more than twice as long) and no, I didn't know the origin of the sample (I rearely do, although I figured out the "Rambo" sample on OSI's version of New Mama - that was simple enough). very interesting, though ------------- Who you gonna call? |