Zappa
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Topic: Zappa
Posted By: Doktor Dyper
Subject: Zappa
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:35
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I've been listening to most of the Classic Prog but havent heard any Zappa yet....... could you recommend something. PS- Dont recommend more than 2 albums coz that would only confuse me & I dont have enough money to buy 5-6 albums that are direct imports (they are very expensive) |
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Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:36
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I'm a Zappa beginnier, too. The only album I have is Hot Rats, and I love it! This is probably a good place to start. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:38
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It depends on if you want the proggier stuff or not. Over-nite sensation is great, but is less prog, while Lather(3 discs) is pure prog. Hot Rats is his most famous though an probably an excellent place to start. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Doktor Dyper
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:42
| I remember seeing Waka Jawaka ( i think dat was d name) in the cd rack, how is dat? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:43
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I always recommend live albums for Zappa newbies, because they offer many different songs from many different Zappa "phases":
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:45
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zappa albums are all very different yet somehow all the same. it's really impossible to recommend one accurately. personally, Apostrophe was my intro to the Z man, and I love it still. it has really well executed music, and a fair dose of humor. the Nanook cycle is a true classic. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:47
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Quite good. But I'd recommend The Grand Wazoo instead. But all his albums from Grand Wazoo to One Size Fits All are good. My absolute favorite Zappa studio album is Joe's Garage. But it is an aquired taste ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Doktor Dyper wrote:Posted By: Doktor Dyper
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:47
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Damn it...... i just remembered Waka Jawaka DID say Hot Rats on the cover |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:48
Not to forget Stinkfoot - a classic opening song for Zappa concerts. The poodle bites ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:50
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It's absolutely true, "hot rats" is one of the best start to hear Zappa and I probably said "overnite sensation" and "apostrophe". There's a cd that contains these two albums (OS ad A) from RYKO label, I dont know if it still exist. Me, I've started with this 2 two in one album and it was a great debut! There's also "stricly commercial" that cover the whole Zappa carreer but you know, I don't very like greatest hits and suppose that you guys feel the same way. ------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:26
| I recommend 'you can't do that on stage VOL I', it covers ALOT of bases in context of time and styles and is very thoughtfully ordered in running sequence. There is the jazz of 'Big Swifty', the insane guitar solo on 'The torture never stops' and the diabolical humor everywhere. |
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:33
| I agree, with all of the Zappa studying I've done, I've found that You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1 is the best thing to buy to begin with Zappa, because it's the best overview of Zappa's career into one album. Every main period of Zappa is featured on the double album in top notch form. Start with this rather than a specific Zappa period. You can pick your next buys from there, depending on what you like from it. |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:59
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mmm, I'm not that sure about hot rats as a starter or any FZ album in particular, because his work is so diversified that any album can be potentially "deceiving", if taken as a starting point...imagine listening to "The Grand Wazoo" and then to "Absolutely Free"...that can be confusing!!!! Anyway, remaining in FZ's (so-called) "jazz/rock" production, surely Hot Rats as well as The Grand Wazoo and Waka Jawaka are good starters...Hot Rats is probably the most accessible one. ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: ian_b
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 19:25
| ONE SIZE FITS ALL mainly for the first track but its all very good. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 19:31
Go with Grand Wazoo and Over-Nite Sensation! ------------- 
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 20:01
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Over Nite Sensation, Live at the Roxy and Onse Size fits all. I like this period and band the best.
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Posted By: Mr Krinkle
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 22:07
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My first Zappa experience was listening to a CD (now out of print) that included both Apostrophe and Overnite Sensation albums. it totally blew my mind. In fact this is my favourite period (Roxy & Elsewhere and One size fit all are also from this Zappa/ Mothers phase), and it took me a while to get used to their earlier sound. Nowadys, I own almost 40 Zappa cd's, so you can imagine that, for me, was worth the try!
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 00:00
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Hot Rats is the only one that I've tried that I like One of his least crappy covers as well ------------- 
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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 07:50
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I HATE that cover!!!!! it just makes no sense.....(which is what i'd expect from FZ, anyway ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 09:08
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Frank Zappa - Hot rats: 1. Peaches en regalia (10/10) 2. Willie the pimp (6/10) 3. Son of Mister Green Genes (9/10) 4. Little umbrellas (9/10) As for the rest...I didn't have the patience to finish listening to the rest... For me personel, "We're only in it for the money" was actually the right place to start. I am a fan of this album but I am not a fan of Zappa, so I think you can better take your advice from a real Zappa fan who recommends "Hot rats"/"Over-nite sensation"/"Grand wazoo"... Has anyone ever noticed how the song "Grand wazoo" suddenly ends???? Some ending indeed ------------- Right down the line |
...I have not listened enough to make a good judgement...Posted By: Ironing Mike
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 09:50
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The variety on the early Zappa/Mothers albums is hard to beat. IMHO, the
essential Zappa weirdness comes through best on the "Burnt Weenie Sandwich", "Uncle Meat" & "Weasles Ripped My Flesh" efforts. Many of Zappa's best "legit" compositions such as "Igor's Boogie" and "Little House i Used to Line In" are on these albums. And if it's the compositions you are drawn to, the more contemporary "Jazz From Hell" is a great set of wonderfully-weird, left-of-field instrumentals. ------------- It's a rainy day, sunshine girl |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 10:05
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hey Ironing Mike, HOW DARE YOU USING MY SAME AVATAR?!?!?! ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 21:23
I its one of his few covers that doesnt look like a silly cartoon - but I guess that goes against what Zappa is all about - anyways....I like it -------------
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Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 23:19
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mhh Yeah Hot Rats is a good beginning Hot Rats & Freak Out Frank Zappa & the mothers of invention.! -------------  |