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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:06
The debut album smokes it. However, BSS is way ahead of it's time technologically speaking. Some of the synths and computer voice on there just weren't being heard in 1973 except on BSS. The first album just has raw energy. BSS is a little bit too repetitive at times but still really great and probably ELP's second best album.
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:43
The debut for me. I like BSS but have always found it a little inaccessible in the more brilliant aspects. The debut is both brilliant and accessible for me equally.
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 22:16
Brain salad is pretty sh*t really if you take out the cool 10 minutes from karnevil
Edited by dr prog - December 30 2013 at 22:17
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 22:45
Svetonio wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Brain salad is pretty sh*t really if you take out the cool 10 minutes from karnevil
I agreed. Karn Evil 9 - 1st Impression, Part 2 (and that Giger's painting, of course) is the only good thing on Brain Salad Surgery the album.
Debut is the Progressive Rock masterpiece of quality kind they were never again reached.
Their debut is very good. Tarkus is pretty good, trilogy fairly good. 3 strong years I guess. 1971-73. Bit like Yes 1969-72 or Crimson 70-71 and Floyd 71-72. Don't like much else from these bands outside these periods apart from animals, red, tormato
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 23:41
IMO, Brain Salad Surgery is the weakest of their first five albums, but only because the Third Impression of "Karn Evil 9" is silly, even for them. I think John McFerrin's (aka Tarkus1980) description of it being "Star Trek: The Musical" is quite accurate. Everything else is fine in my book.
I like the debut the best. At the time, I was into Lester Bangs, but when I started college, I deiced to give the band a second chance after reading Ed Macan's ELP bio Endless Enigma and picked up the debut album based on Macan's review and analysis. Fell in love with it on first listen. I think the band worked well as a fusion group. My only complaint is that "Lucky Man" didn't make for a good closer; I think it would have worked better placed between "Take A Pebble" and "Knife Edge".
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 08:10
Hi,
The debut album would have been more important, as the way that Keith used the synthesizers to solo and augment the work they were doing was not only quite innovative, it gave the synthesizer a whole new element in its experience.
I kinda look at it, just like the church organ that always had a "big sound", and all of a sudden these keyboards, have an even "bigger" sound, and I think that was very helpful in general to the popular music thing. I always like Procol Harum and Moody Blues, but the way they were using their keyboard sound, was always in a very classical and simple way, and all of a sudden you have someone ripping solos off/with the sounds, instead of the conventional sounding instrument. As such it helped establish it as a "new instrument", though I think that Keith and many others, regret that the synthesizer became just an orchestra/instrument replacement nowadays!
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 14:05
Prog_Traveller wrote:
The debut album smokes it. However, BSS is way ahead of it's time technologically speaking. Some of the synths and computer voice on there just weren't being heard in 1973 except on BSS. The first album just has raw energy. BSS is a little bit too repetitive at times but still really great and probably ELP's second best album.
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 15:02
dr prog wrote:
Brain salad is pretty sh*t really if you take out the cool 10 minutes from karnevil
Wow, that's harsh. "The cool 10 minutes"? I like all of it. The whole album. It gets flamed for "Benny The Bouncer," but that clocks in at under 150 seconds of playtime! BSS also rates higher than Tarkus and Trilogy on PA.
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Posted: January 01 2014 at 04:59
dr prog wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Brain salad is pretty sh*t really if you take out the cool 10 minutes from karnevil
I agreed. Karn Evil 9 - 1st Impression, Part 2 (and that Giger's painting, of course) is the only good thing on Brain Salad Surgery the album.
Debut is the Progressive Rock masterpiece of quality kind they were never again reached.
Their debut is very good. Tarkus is pretty good, trilogy fairly good. 3 strong years I guess. 1971-73. Bit like Yes 1969-72 or Crimson 70-71 and Floyd 71-72. Don't like much else from these bands outside these periods apart from animals, red, tormato
It seems to have been the muse left EL&P after the first three great albums that then they have tried to compilate a super-super-album with old ideas instead to develop a new soundcapes.
Btw, I love Works Vol. 2 and Love Beach, the album that suffers from an idiotic cover, while Giger's paintings added to Brain Salad Surgery the album one dimension that the music actually does not have.
Let's imagine e.g. Patrick Woodroffe's painting instead of that disco and / or vacation picture. Lol, it's a kind of mystery how that kind of pic was used for an exellent prog album.
just for a decor (great music, awful "artwork"; well, album jacket is an important thing in prog):
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