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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:02
Personally, I just can't find much interest in listening to music not sung in English.  The music is fine enough, I just don't like not being able to understand what is being sung.  Funny enough, yesterday I was listening to the Progstravaganza 9 compilation in my car on my drive down to the ballgame with my friends in the car.  It is mostly a jazzy/fusiony compilation and they were fine with it for awhile, and than the guy started singing in his native language and they were like unanimously giving me the WTFs and stuff and made me turn it off.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:29
My wife doesn't either say WTF. She cries "put something listenable" before the music starts, regardless the language.
 
Btw, basing on what you say I should be listening to PFM only....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:29
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Personally, I just can't find much interest in listening to music not sung in English.  The music is fine enough, I just don't like not being able to understand what is being sung.  Funny enough, yesterday I was listening to the Progstravaganza 9 compilation in my car on my drive down to the ballgame with my friends in the car.  It is mostly a jazzy/fusiony compilation and they were fine with it for awhile, and than the guy started singing in his native language and they were like unanimously giving me the WTFs and stuff and made me turn it off.  LOL

LOL Yeah i think most people would think you or i were nuts listening to a non-English singer. My friends would react the same way yours did. I still remember when the thought of listening to non-English vocals was ridiculous to me. It was hearing PFM singing in Italian that changed my mind about that and man i have a lot of non-English vocal albums now, many which i consider masterpieces. I'm just careful who i play them around.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:35
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Personally, I just can't find much interest in listening to music not sung in English.  The music is fine enough, I just don't like not being able to understand what is being sung.  

Well I feel sorry for all you folks of the UK/US etc. who needs the rest of the world to sing in your language for you to be able to appreciate this artform. Don't know why I bother as you don't seem to be the even the slightest ashamed or embarrassed about it. Kudos to those of you who's not a cultural ingorant, though. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:45
I like the Hungarian of Ater Crying and the Slovakian of Marian Varga and Collegium Musicum without being able to underrsatnd any single word.  Even if I'm Italian I was used to English lyrics and my first non-italian and non-english band has been Anglagard.  Personally I don't give a f**k to the language. People luaghs at what I listen to even when it's instrumental LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:45
Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:47
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
It's not question of learning, I think. Listening to Claudio Milano, i.e. I don't care of the lyrics even if they are in Italian. His music is too challenging and requires a lot of attention so I don't know what he says, also because he uses his vocal extension as an instrument. It's like trying to gues what a sax is saying...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
It's not question of learning, I think. Listening to Claudio Milano, i.e. I don't care of the lyrics even if they are in Italian. His music is too challenging and requires a lot of attention so I don't know what he says, also because he uses his vocal extension as an instrument. It's like trying to gues what a sax is saying...

Good point as Milano's voice is like another instrument, he could be singing in Jamaican and it wouldn't matter.LOL
But yes Scott instead of learning the language just treat the voice like another instrument and it might be less frustrating.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 12:27
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
It's not question of learning, I think. Listening to Claudio Milano, i.e. I don't care of the lyrics even if they are in Italian. His music is too challenging and requires a lot of attention so I don't know what he says, also because he uses his vocal extension as an instrument. It's like trying to gues what a sax is saying...

Good point as Milano's voice is like another instrument, he could be singing in Jamaican and it wouldn't matter.LOL
But yes Scott instead of learning the language just treat the voice like another instrument and it might be less frustrating.
It really only works for me if it is background music.  I keep telling people that I have no business being on a prog site.  I don't really like instrumental music all that much, therefore treating the voice as another instrument doesn't really work that well for me.  I know it is weird, since I enjoy Yes, and their lyrics basically have nonsensical meaning in which the voices are really just other instruments.  But the nonsensical lyrics are in English so I can sing along, even if it doesn't make any sense.  LOL   
 
And in regards to the instrumental music, there are plenty of instrumentals that I enjoy.  i.e. anything from Rush LOL.  I think that it is an attention span issue with me.  Throw in an instrumental in the middle of an album or song and I am fine with it, but listening to an entire album of instrumental can become quite tedious. 
 
I'm not familiar with this Milano fellow, so I'll see if I can track something down from him and see how it effects me.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 12:55
^Just not to go all Moshkito on you I like to add that anyone who rates Lark's Tounge in Aspic with five stars is less of a cultural ignorant than plenty of my real life friends (and just about everyone in my family), and I still manage to get along with them just fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2012 at 02:27
I actually prefer vocals in non english. This way it's easier for me to ignore them and just focus on their musical vaule.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2012 at 09:19
I generally prefer vocals not to be in English as well, though there are many songs in English in which I do care about the lyrics and sing along with.

Scott: If you want to sing along with music in another language, and know what's being said, you could try to search for the lyrics, translate them (using say Babelfish on-line translator), then try to sing them in the original language as you read.  It can be a helpful way to learn new languages too.

 I tend to favour non-English language films too -- sometimes because the art and themes speak to me more (I like Art House cinema), but also because it combines my love of reading with watching, and I find it quite magical when you stop noticing the subtitles, and it can be like your head is translating what they are saying automatically (like hearing and understanding the language at the same time).  It might sound a bit laborious, but it could be fun.

Incidentally, with Magma I have tried to learn the words a bit using the Kobaian dictionaries you find on-line, but I also tend to fill in similar words in English to what I am hearing (mondegreens).  I do like to sing along to quite a bit of Magma (sometimes inserting my own words/ phrases in English, and sometimes using the original).  I love to sing along with Theusz Hamtaahk.... "Theusz Hamtaahk, Theusz Hamtaahk, Hmmm!" and sing along to another with ""He's gotta love that knee! oh, that knee".

Have a look at this if you haven't already.  It's Magma Philosophy Wars with MDK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWsFWdqLmNM

It might help you to appreciate/ have fun with Magma more -- and down the road get you singing, and dancing cause it's very danceable, to music by the band:

I used to be an ESL teacher, and am now thinking about starting a program in which I incorporate lots of singing and dancing into the class to help aid learning.  Hardly a  new idea, as kids having been learning through song or a long time, and in French class at elementary school we had to learn French songs.


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