Braindance

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   Braindance, the self-proclaimed "progressive darkwave" band from NYC, only has a single fleeting mention in an old post.  The two albums I own are outstanding; extremely unique and well developed conceptually.  Shame they are not listed on this site.  Vora Vor is an incredible female guitar player.

I know they are not with a major label, but some pretty obscure bands are mentioned frequently on this site.  So why the relative silence on this great "band"? (I say band, but I guess really it's just Sebastian Elliott and Vora Vor)  Is this because no one has heard them or because no one likes them?
By the way, if you enjoy dark and sarcastic humor, you may enjoy reading some of the interviews with Sebastian Elliott posted on their website.
http://www.progressivedarkwave.com/

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DolphinFan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 143	Topic: Braindance Posted: July 19 2005 at 20:15
	Braindance, the self-proclaimed "progressive darkwave" band from NYC, only has a single fleeting mention in an old post. The two albums I own are outstanding; extremely unique and well developed conceptually. Shame they are not listed on this site. Vora Vor is an incredible female guitar player. I know they are not with a major label, but some pretty obscure bands are mentioned frequently on this site. So why the relative silence on this great "band"? (I say band, but I guess really it's just Sebastian Elliott and Vora Vor) Is this because no one has heard them or because no one likes them? By the way, if you enjoy dark and sarcastic humor, you may enjoy reading some of the interviews with Sebastian Elliott posted on their website. http://www.progressivedarkwave.com/ Edited by DolphinFan

geezer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 03 2005 Location: Cocos (Keeling) Islands Status: Offline Points: 606	Posted: July 20 2005 at 01:58
	I have the debut album and find it quite boring actually. However, it is not the kind of music I enjoy in general. I just used to enjoy it. So why i haven't mentioned them is because I don't like them (i'm not saying they are bad).

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 20 2005 at 02:45
	Braindance do some interesting things - but they've got a way to go before they're truly prog, IMO. They need to learn how to develop ideas, not simply bundle a string of them together. I'm not keen on the vocals, but I do like the sound of their style.

DolphinFan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 143	Posted: July 20 2005 at 13:56
	Moved to Non-Prog Music? While bands like Asia, Ambrosia, and Supertramp rest comfortably in the hallowed pages of Prog Archives list, Braindance must suffer the injustice of being moved to the Non-Prog music board? Are we talking about the same Braindance? Certif1ed - Before I dismiss the assertion that Braindance isn't prog as preposterous, I'm curious as to what perspective you are coming from. Now, Geezer explained he doesn't enjoy that kind of music anyway, which is perfectly fine, but I'm wondering how much of them you have heard. Do you have Fear Itself from 1995? That album pure-prog from start to finish my friend. Many tempo and time changes, very dramatic delivery, a multitude of instrumental sections filled with challenging rhythm sections and some very fresh ideas from the guitar, movie-clip sampling artistically and tastefully scattered about, as well as catchy hooks throughout. As a concept I thought the ablum was extremely well done. The next album, Redemption from 2001, was somewhat less ambitious from a progressive standpoint, but still great songs and well within the prog-boundries already established on this site by existing bands. So, if you haven't heard Fear Itself, you may be in for a surprise. If you have, then well, to each his own I guess. But to the rest of you, don't take it from me, listen to what some of the other well known talking heads of progressive music say about Braindance. Even an old-school guy like John Collinge went ape-sht about them... "well worth the wait - a remarkable achievement - combines perfectly such varied genres as metal, techno, progressive rock, ambient, gothic, and electronic to form a style that is light years ahead of most groups recording today, creating classic songs for the ages. in fact, everything about this band just screams talent. redemption is a future classic from this band that needs to get discovered, and one of my picks for best of the year." - peter pardo, sea of tranquility, u.s.a. "it is within the grasp of this band to bomb down any popular hit-parade and even get a grammy - all told, an absolute masterpiece that we need very much. one of the few progressive albums that have the potential to appeal to a mass audience, to enter today's music mainstream. "redemption" may be the first real stage for progressive to reach an audience that is much larger than it is today."-vitaly, progressor, germany "braindance somehow invented the progressive darkwave genre and it seems they're still the kings. braindance will make their breakthrough, that's for sure - outstanding!!!" band of the month october 2001*- markus weis, durp (die ultimative reviews progressive), germany "redemption is an innovative gothic prog-metal offer that dazzles the mind with amazing melodies and menacing, crunching riffs that will haunt you for weeks." - marcelo silveyra, progfreaks.com, mexico "superbly unique...a new rung on the evolutionary ladder of modern progressive music... seductively intelligent songcraft light years ahead...braindance should be setting new standards." - john collinge, progression magazine, u.s.a. http://www.progressiveworld.net/braindance3.html I fear the real reason for any lack of discussion on this website is that the vast majority of our members haven't heard them. So Proggers, release that death-grasp on your coinpurse and flip a schilling or two toward the Braindance website in exchange for a music experience I am certain you will find worthy. And hey, they are completely self-produced so not a nickel goes to those greedy corporate record companies everyone despises... Edited by DolphinFan

geezer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 03 2005 Location: Cocos (Keeling) Islands Status: Offline Points: 606	Posted: July 20 2005 at 14:27
	DolphinFan, I do agree with you that there are less progressive bands on this site (and on other prog sites). There are bands in PA that I feel don't belong in here but I wouldn't have anything against if this band was to be added. Fear Itself is the album I own.

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 20 2005 at 16:26
	I haven't heard anything apart from the samples - and the samples don't really encourage me to explore further, as I don't like the vocal style - personal taste, you understand. There are a great number of bands in the archives that I do not consider prog - and a great number of other bands that other people do not consider prog. It's largely taste, but I do try to use some scientific yardsticks as well. Time changes and complex rhythms are all very well - and metal bands have been doing that for decades - but there's much more to prog than rhythm, and film clips have been segued with metal before (e.g. Metallica's "One"). For a better idea of what I think prog metal should sound like (note: a single better idea, not the prime example), listen to A.C.T.'s "Last Epic". It may not be steeped in polyrhythms (which aren't progressive in themselves - Mozart used them), but it's closer to Prog than most prog metal bands, IMO. Also, for an interesting approach to seguing film clips with metal, check out Fantomas "Suspended Animation". Again, not really prog, but along the right sort of lines. However, the final say rests with the site admins - it's their site after all, so you need to convince them, not me! You can do this by discussing the band in the Progarchives.com - Suggestions and News \ Bands and Albums subforum.

DolphinFan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 143	Posted: July 20 2005 at 21:45
	C-Ed - All points well taken (i.e, time changes/complexity doesn't always mean prog, movie samples). However, I think you may have your carriage in front of your horse. I would suggest listening to the album before taking a stand on it. Don't predisposition yourself based on some 1 minute sound samples. If I remember correctly, those sound samples didn't jump out at me either before I ordered Redemption. CD turned out to be wonderful anway. Prior CD, Fear Itself, was even better. Go get it, hear it, then decide.