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yesman72
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Joined: May 28 2005
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Topic: Kansas and Gentle Giant Posted: July 09 2005 at 15:06 |
Hey everyone. Just wanted to ask if everyone else noticed the connections between Kansas' breakthrough Leftoverture and Gentle Giant's alll-time classic Octopus. There are tons of musical ideas borrowed by Kansas from Octopus most notably parts of Raconteur Troubador. Also the name of the album fits the same type of paradigm. Kansas used the word leftover to signify that the tracks were supposedly leftovers and that word was spliced with the common musical term "overture". The idea behind Octopus was concieved by a wife of one of the band members i believe, mixed the word octo(as in eight of course) and opus, another common musical term. Just thought it would be cool to get that out there(even though i'm sure many of you fans of the group already know about it).
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Joren
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 06:04 |
nope, didn't know that... but I don't own Leftorveture...
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Moogtron III
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Joined: April 26 2005
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 07:45 |
Well, Kerry Livgren was a enormous admirer of Gentle Giant. I read that in his autobio.
Never noticed before what you said, though!
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paulindigo
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Joined: May 24 2005
Location: Italy
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 12:07 |
Personally I noticed some similarities between "The boys in the
band" and "The spider" from "Point of know return" but i never
thought that Kansas borrowed heavily from the Giant. "Leftoverture"
was the working title for "Magnum opus" (which was supposed to be
the title of the album), since it was made of bits and pieces that were
tied together. Then for some reason I don't remember the titles were
swapped, but I dont' think it had to do with the worplay on
"Octopus". Who knows, you might be right after all...
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 12:38 |
hmmm... I was just listening to leftoverture yesterday, looks like im gonna have to get my hands on some GG now...
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Man With Hat
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Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: July 12 2005 at 23:40 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
hmmm... I was just listening to leftoverture yesterday, looks like im gonna have to get my hands on some GG now... |
Wise decision 
And i knew that GG bit, but wasn't aware of that Kansas stuff.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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yesman72
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 20:45 |
I highly recommend both bands. I have no idea whether my theory is right or not, just wanted to hear some other views. Yeah actually i dont think they borrowed too heavily i just hear similarities in the tones of instruments, especially the hammond and the use of the violin. As for the actual similarities in composition, i think the opening of Miracles Out Of Nowhere is very similar the third section of Raconteur Troubador. The movement of the chords and the modulations seem to have a similar affect. I also hear similarities in Magnum Opus. But either way every progger should have both albums. Masterpieces indeed. 
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