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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:24
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This site is a database for progressive rock.


True, but we all know that there are tons of artists here who have nothing to do with rock. Most of the prog-electronic category, in fact.
and jazz artists.
Jazz artists that were major players in the advent of progressive fusion do belong here.  Although this means for some reason that we have to include the hundred or so Miles Davis albums that have nothing to do with fusion.


He may have the most, but there happens to be hundreds of non-fusion jazz albums on this site due to the fact that almost none of the fusion artists stick with just playing jazz-rock/fusion, but also play other styles of jazz as well.
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Points: 35951 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2011 at 11:17
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

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I have moved this to Help us Improve this Site since you are not recommending, making a case for, and providing relevant smaples of, a particular one.  There have been some other discussions on this, and I would like to see a section for modern (ones working in the second half of the 20th centurfy) non-rock experimental and infleuntial composers (for instance, musique concrete and jazz ones) that were influential to styles included in PA.  For instance, I think that Stockhausen, Xenakis, and Ligetti could find a section, as well as jazzers such as Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, Coltrane, and Mingus. 


Clap I completely agree with this. Also, Varese ad Raymond Scott should have a place, since they were electronic pioneers.

I think the only record I've veer heard of his is Soothing Sounds for Baby.  I really like this:



Varese is great.

Pierre Schaefer is another I'd like to see in -- and related to him, Pierre Henry (though I think he should already be in PA).  Morton Subotnick is another that I think is missing from PA (though I could be wrong).
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2011 at 11:34
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I have moved this to Help us Improve this Site since you are not recommending, making a case for, and providing relevant smaples of, a particular one.  There have been some other discussions on this, and I would like to see a section for modern (ones working in the second half of the 20th centurfy) non-rock experimental and infleuntial composers (for instance, musique concrete and jazz ones) that were influential to styles included in PA.  For instance, I think that Stockhausen, Xenakis, and Ligetti could find a section, as well as jazzers such as Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, Coltrane, and Mingus. 


Clap I completely agree with this. Also, Varese ad Raymond Scott should have a place, since they were electronic pioneers.

I think the only record I've veer heard of his is Soothing Sounds for Baby.  I really like this:



Varese is great.

Pierre Schaefer is another I'd like to see in -- and related to him, Pierre Henry (though I think he should already be in PA).  Morton Subotnick is another that I think is missing from PA (though I could be wrong).


Yeah, Schaefer and Henry deserve to be here. I like Subotnick (and even saw him play live once) but I think there are more major electronic musicians should be in first. If you like soothing sounds for baby, you must check out Manhattan Research Inc. I didn't realize until I got it that Scott virtually invented the sequecer and a lot of other technology we still use in some form today. It's an utterly visionary recording and a lot of fun to listen to.
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Points: 4515 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2011 at 11:58
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This site is a database for progressive rock.


True, but we all know that there are tons of artists here who have nothing to do with rock. Most of the prog-electronic category, in fact.



All the main artist in prog-electronic started out as rock artists and Schulze specifically always keeps referring to how significant his roots as a drummer were for his electronic music.

Also, if you're looking for classical music that had an influence on Prog then Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Mussorgsky, Prokofiev all were significantly more important for Prog rock then the avant guys quoted.
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Points: 35951 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2011 at 12:52
If you are referring to all of the avant garde artists mentioned (edit, re-read, and guess you mean the ones in the first post particularly).

I agree that baroque/ classical/ baroque romantic period music was more influential to Prog as a genre, but there wasn't the same confluence of musicians who related to music under the prog umbrella due to time frames. 

I  certainly think an article on those earlier composers and their influence would be useful.

Here is a Pierre Henry composition from 1967 (later reworked for Futurama):

Edit: can't be embedded, but worth listening to:

Not to mention later albums albums such as Pierre Henry and Urban Sax's Paradise Lost which I think totally suitable.

And then there are also people such as Egisto Macchi, Ennio Morricone, and Luc Ferrari that I think should be seriously considered.




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There's Ubuweb for those composers.
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Points: 35951 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2011 at 13:17
And there are other sites for Prog, so why bother with this one?
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Points: 4515 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2011 at 13:58
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

If you are referring to all of the avant garde artists mentioned (edit, re-read, and guess you mean the ones in the first post particularly).



Actually I referred to those few that I know a bit Embarrassed, like Ligeti, Varese, Stockhausen, Messiaen (and those jazz guys)


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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2011 at 09:33
There certainly wouldn't be anything wrong with PA carrying articles outlining the sorts of varied influences and sources cited in this thread re their contribution and impact towards the work of the Progressive Rock artists listed on PA. The only note of caution I would sound however is that it would be utterly preposterous if there was an expectation that such non rock and non prog artists be added to the site e.g. just taking one Prog sub genre at random, there are probably > 500 Symphonic Prog bands on PA. We could between us I'm sure, come up with thousands of classical composers, avant-garde musicians, electronic pioneers, jazz artists etc who have had a demonstrable influence on any number of artists on PA
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2011 at 09:57
I am opposed to expanding PA's scope even further, but I would be happy if we revived the "Documents" section of the main site and transform it into an independent section where users could publish essays about anything related to Progressive Rock, including avant-classical music, classical, jazz, ethnic music, etc., just like we can now publish reviews. Currently the former "Documents" section is relegated to a bunch of links in the Prog Rock Guides section; it looks like this:

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Points: 10185 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2011 at 16:40
That's a great idea Alex; but wouldn't it be better to have a separate subforum for that? On general music discussions or somewhere similar.


Unrelated, but not entirely: someone get Arjen outta the frontpage, poor man's been there for eternity. And maybe the frontpage could be a bit more user friendly: the purple/white/orange/grey contrast is annoying,
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Points: 11699 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2011 at 16:55
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


Clap I completely agree with this. Also, Varese ad Raymond Scott should have a place, since they were electronic pioneers.

I think the only record I've veer heard of his is Soothing Sounds for Baby.  I really like this:




Raymond Scott should be here based on his 30's stuff. That's when he was really progressive. Big influence on Zorn/Bungle/Fantomas. Check out John Williams father on drums. Insane!
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Points: 5482 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2011 at 17:29
Without Raymond Scott, would Rush have recorded La Villa Strangiato?
 
 
 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:33
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