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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 20:53
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

It seems to me, to be fair and to prevent cronyism (or allegations thereof) there ought to be a well documented process for how this take place. And maybe some requirements as well (user must have understandign of basic music theory, must be 21 years old, etc) 
oh God not another well-documented process; and an understanding of music theory?  I know few people who understand music theory, even musicians.. heck it's all theory !

Actually I think no documented process is probably best, that way reviewers are chosen based on knowledge and productivity rather than some check-off list of requirements that would not necessarily help those who deserve it

Just my tuppence.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 20:57
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

It seems to me, to be fair and to prevent cronyism (or allegations thereof) there ought to be a well documented process for how this take place. And maybe some requirements as well (user must have understandign of basic music theory, must be 21 years old, etc) 
oh God not another well-documented process; and an understanding of music theory?  I know few people who understand music theory, even musicians.. heck it's all theory !

Actually I think no documented process is probably best, that way reviewers are chosen based on knowledge and productivity rather than some check-off list of requirements that would not necessarily help those who deserve it

Just my tuppence.


Agreed completely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:17
I'm an engineer. If I could flowchart the world, I would. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:18
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

It seems to me, to be fair and to prevent cronyism (or allegations thereof) there ought to be a well documented process for how this take place. And maybe some requirements as well (user must have understandign of basic music theory, must be 21 years old, etc) 
oh God not another well-documented process; and an understanding of music theory?  I know few people who understand music theory, even musicians.. heck it's all theory !

Actually I think no documented process is probably best, that way reviewers are chosen based on knowledge and productivity rather than some check-off list of requirements that would not necessarily help those who deserve it

Just my tuppence.

I said "basic" music theory. IE: They know what a treble clef is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:24
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

It seems to me, to be fair and to prevent cronyism (or allegations thereof) there ought to be a well documented process for how this take place. And maybe some requirements as well (user must have understandign of basic music theory, must be 21 years old, etc) 
oh God not another well-documented process; and an understanding of music theory?  I know few people who understand music theory, even musicians.. heck it's all theory !

Actually I think no documented process is probably best, that way reviewers are chosen based on knowledge and productivity rather than some check-off list of requirements that would not necessarily help those who deserve it


Just my tuppence.




David, you nail it once again.  The last thing we should have is an automatic documented process.  PRs should be by Admin invite only, and Admin should choose the best of the talent out there.  Pick the people who have written lots of reviews, who write well, who know music, and who have something interesting to say.  I believe Admin has already headed in that direction which is great.  Anyone can still write a review, which is the lifeblood of the site, but there are enough members now that PRs should be promoted based on talent, not who can crank out 100 little blurbs or whatever benchmarks one dreams up.   Promoting based on standards is not the same thing as cronyism. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:29
.....you ask nicely....use yes ma'am and no sir.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:29
Hmm, I just think at the very least it should be written somewhere what kinds of things the admin team is looking for and maybe which genres they want new prospects to focus on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:35
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm an engineer. If I could flowchart the world, I would. :)
LOL  I hear ya

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I said "basic" music theory. IE: They know what a treble clef is.
  yeah ...  no

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:41
BTW in case you missed it there are basic guidelines ;
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13080

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:42
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We stick names on a darts board and play.




That's how I got in. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2011 at 21:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

BTW in case you missed it there are basic guidelines ;
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13080

Oh, D'oh, well, nm then. Carry on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 04:36
There are many good reviewers out there but for me, these guys are well worth reading:
LinusW
TSZIRMAY
Kazuhiro
Atavachron
Chicapah
kenethlevine
CLARKE2001
Epignosis
Gerinski
AnthonyH
Finnforest

Nightfly
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PRESDOUG


Apologies to those I've forgotten (It's been a long day Ouch)

As far as an instruction manual for 'How to Become a PR' goes, there ain't one and a moment's reflection is all that should suffice to realise why: we cannot quantify the arts so how can we possibly quantify their appreciation?

For me there are only 2 rules for reviews:
1 - Micky's Law - don't confuse what you like with what's 'good'
2 - Lemmings Law - we learn more about the listener than what is being listened to in any given review

Time for my nap....


Edited by ExittheLemming - October 05 2011 at 04:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 12:17
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

So if someone writes 1,000 reviews but they aren't that good they don't get to be a  reviewer? Who reviews the reviewer? Wink

Basically. I've written over 300, but they're short, so I lose.

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Are you trying to make me feel better or are you just being proper? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 16:05
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

It seems to me, to be fair and to prevent cronyism (or allegations thereof) there ought to be a well documented process for how this take place. And maybe some requirements as well (user must have understandign of basic music theory, must be 21 years old, etc) 

Must be 21? Some of the younger reviewers are some of the best ones IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 16:12
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

So if someone writes 1,000 reviews but they aren't that good they don't get to be a  reviewer? Who reviews the reviewer? Wink

Basically. I've written over 300, but they're short, so I lose.

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Are you trying to make me feel better or are you just being proper? Tongue

No, I like your reviews. Nice and to the point, and far from stupid. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 16:30
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

So if someone writes 1,000 reviews but they aren't that good they don't get to be a  reviewer? Who reviews the reviewer? Wink

Basically. I've written over 300, but they're short, so I lose.

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Are you trying to make me feel better or are you just being proper? Tongue

No, I like your reviews. Nice and to the point, and far from stupid. Smile


This. To be honest, if a review goes much more than three paragraphs, I start snoozing. To quote Bender: "I'm not reading that crap, summarize it in one word." Big smile No offense to those of you that do write new editions of War and Peace for each review, it's just not my cuppa.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 17:24
To be a reviewer just show passion in your reviews, write intelligently, and really listen intensely a few times before revieweing if possible.
 
I write reviews as I listen to albums not by memory of what I think is on the album.
 
Sometimes that means the reviews become a thesis but I like writing as I listen so I am not phased.
 
I have tried to write shorter reviews of late and they tend to be more productive time wise. Lyrics are important to me so I often include some in the reviews.
 
I am not interested in reading one paragraph reviews that go on for an eternity. The reviews should at least be broken up into small paragraphs or my eyes refuse to read on.
 
I like track by track reviews as it gives you a real insight into the album. They are structured reviews and easy to read. 
 
There are some reviewers who have trouble with the language and I have trouble comprehending them. But overall the reviews are very good on this site and trustworthy. I trust certain reviewers more than others. But if I am interested in an album I will generally read every review on that album, eg: Terria by Devin Townsend. I printed out pages of reviews and read them one afternoon. The track by track reviews were particulalry helpful and those that include some lyrics to give an insight in to the content.
 
So in conclusion become known by becoming a presence on the site - haunt the site and review in one genre more than spread out and you may become noticed. Likewise I became a reviewer on the Metal Archives though I did not necessarily want to, but in the beginning I was enjoying writing reviews on every Kiss album, every Sweet album, Alice Cooper and posting prog metal reviews I had already written here. They noticed and I accepted! Pretty simple really.
 
Later on PA I was invited on the Symphonic team because most of the reviews were in that genre. If you have passion for what you do people have to notice and you do not ask but rather are asked. Just do it because you love it and the rest should follow. There should be no hidden agendas because if you enjoy what you do you will not care if you are an official reviewer or not. But consequently as a result of you writing many well writen reviews you are likely to become a PR by default eventually.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 17:32

You can also take up jobs nobody else wants. For example the job I got which nobody else wanted. It took PA six years to fill this role.

There are other jobs here nobody wants, which remains vacant. Just have a look around this place and volunteer yourself. And no, there is no vacancies within my team.  

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