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Points: 260 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 12:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by nick63 nick63 wrote:

Hello,

In a random order:

Magenta,
IQ,
Jadis,
Gallahad,
Mostly Autumn (is that neo-prog?  mmm ),
Glasshammer,
Strangefish,
Pallas,
Shadow Gallery,
Oliver Wakeman
Cyan,
Flower Kings   all togethered on the singel "All Around The World" ProgAID www.progaid.com

Galleon,
Guy Manning and his friend andy T with;
The Tangent.

Is  Porcupine Tree, RPWL, Riverside and / or Satelite Neo Prog too?

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog
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Points: 430 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 02:46
Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Considering that neo-prog is an accepted genre of prog, even though it may not say neo-prog, it's pretty clear (at least to most people who have posted on the thread) that a discussion of neo-prog is what was intended.  This is also made clear by the first post on the thread which lists two of the better known neo-prog bands, and doesn't attempt to put any other definition to neo.
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Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Richardw Richardw wrote:

IQ definitely for me.

 

   IQ for me, too!!

IQ 

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Always the talking about neo-prog... if its prog or not, oh give me a brake! Of course it is. I think some people should find a description of what prog is (for example on this site, under "prog rock?") ...and then listen to neo-prog and do their own conclusion. I think the makers of this site know what prog is, and they have neo-prog as a genre. And finally, I think its stupid to always talk about different styles and genres, TAKE IT JUST AS MUSIK!!!!!!!  

MARILLION, PENDRAGON (maybe the greatest band ever, at least THE MASQUERADE OVERTURE speaks for that. I have just ordered the DVD; Live at last.. and more!!) , ARENA, AJALON IQ... I must listen more to neo-prog... I am sure I`ll find some more great bands.



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I've never doubted that neo-prog is a style of progressive music, it's just not one I particularly enjoy. Or at all, really. But hey, RIO's not for everyone - doesn't mean it's not prog either!
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Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Considering that neo-prog is an accepted genre of prog, even though it may not say neo-prog, it's pretty clear (at least to most people who have posted on the thread) that a discussion of neo-prog is what was intended.  This is also made clear by the first post on the thread which lists two of the better known neo-prog bands, and doesn't attempt to put any other definition to neo.

Ok man anything you say, from now on when someone says death metal he means space rock and if  he talks about prog metal he means art rock! It seems that anything for you is neo-prog!
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Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

More than half of those are not neo-prog.


NAME OF THE THREAD: YOUR BEST NEO-BAND and not your best neo-prog


Considering that neo-prog is an accepted genre of prog, even though it may not say neo-prog, it's pretty clear (at least to most people who have posted on the thread) that a discussion of neo-prog is what was intended.  This is also made clear by the first post on the thread which lists two of the better known neo-prog bands, and doesn't attempt to put any other definition to neo.

Ok man anything you say, from now on when someone says death metal he means space rock and if  he talks about prog metal he means art rock! It seems that anything for you is neo-prog!


And how do you come to that conclusion?  The only bands I've described as being neo-prog are those that are generally accepted as being neo-prog.
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Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!


I think the point is that neo-prog does not simply refer to newer prog bands, but is a pigeonhole that defines a specific sound as typified by bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, etc...

Ozric, Tool, and PT are all awesome new prog bands, no question. But none are considered neo-prog.

The name of the thread is about new bands and not neo-prog bands!

you are right man!!!!

I have been listening to prog rock for the past 21 years and all these neo prog groups  are all very boring to me and unspiring. with the exceptions of the band you mentioned

Ozric tentacles ( the best of them all)

porcupine tree Dream theater ( 90's albums to now)

tool ( they are f**king ammazing)

 and that it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

forget the rest!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by darksideone darksideone wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

Originally posted by felixxx felixxx wrote:

Look guys i grown up with groups like eloy, rush, camel, gong, floyd, king crimson etc! All these new bands (you want to call them neo-prog) i dont care what label you put them on sound boring to me,they are bad copies of the older groups! Now they all sound the same to me except some very few like OZRIC TENTACLES, TOOL AND PORCUPINE TREE and they are new prog for me, i dont care if they play progmetal or space rock! I respect your opinion and you should respect mine!


I think the point is that neo-prog does not simply refer to newer prog bands, but is a pigeonhole that defines a specific sound as typified by bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, etc...

Ozric, Tool, and PT are all awesome new prog bands, no question. But none are considered neo-prog.

The name of the thread is about new bands and not neo-prog bands!

you are right man!!!!

I have been listening to prog rock for the past 21 years and all these neo prog groups  are all very boring to me and unspiring. with the exceptions of the band you mentioned

Ozric tentacles ( the best of them all)

porcupine tree Dream theater ( 90's albums to now)

tool ( they are f**king ammazing)

 and that it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

forget the rest!!!!!!!


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Well, with all due respect, I don't consider neo to be true prog. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?

For pure neo, I like It Bites, Mr. So & So, ande Blue Shift. And for you neo-fans, I highly recommend you check out some of the symphonic bands of the 90s like Citizen Cain and The Watch. I think you'll leave neo behind.



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Which neo prog band?
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Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Well, with all due respect, if it's good it ain't Neo. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?


That's a rather elitest statement . Just because you enjoy bands from a particular genre that you don't normaly like, doesn't automatically stop them from being in that genre.
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I don't like neo.

Sorry.
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No way Anglagard is Neo-Prog...Its an original brand of music and deserves recognition as such

Just because its more modern and has influences from 70's prog such as camel and yes doesn't make it neo.  It melodies in my opinion are superior to many of the most popular 70's prog bands.
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Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Well, with all due respect, if it's good it ain't Neo. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?


That's a rather elitest statement . Just because you enjoy bands from a particular genre that you don't normaly like, doesn't automatically stop them from being in that genre.

It's not an elitist statement. Rather, I feel that the neo-prog genre and prog per se are inherently contradictory. Neo-prog is relatively simple in structure and approach, while prog isn't.

There's nothing wrong with simplicity. As a huge fan of 60s garage music, both vintage and retro, I have more music tracks in the <3 minutes range in my music library than possibly anyone else on this newsgroup.

Certain bands, like IQ, I think are mislabled, and should be called symphonic. Most others - like Hogarth-era Marillion, Pendragon, Grey Lady Down, etc. - should probably be labled art rock.
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Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Well, with all due respect, if it's good it ain't Neo. I really don't consider (Fish-era) Marillion or IQ neo-prog. I mean, IQ's latest album has a 24-minute epic on it - how can that be neo?


That's a rather elitest statement . Just because you enjoy bands from a particular genre that you don't normaly like, doesn't automatically stop them from being in that genre.

It's not an elitist statement. Rather, I feel that the neo-prog genre and prog per se are inherently contradictory. Neo-prog is relatively simple in structure and approach, while prog isn't.

There's nothing wrong with simplicity. As a huge fan of 60s garage music, both vintage and retro, I have more music tracks in the <3 minutes range in my music library than possibly anyone else on this newsgroup.

Certain bands, like IQ, I think are mislabled, and should be called symphonic. Most others - like Hogarth-era Marillion, Pendragon, Grey Lady Down, etc. - should probably be labled art rock.

i disagree completely, I think the neo-prog genre is one of the better labels we have, for the simpler bands that take elements of both pop music and symphonic 70's prog, and seek to blend the two, and revive prog into a modern interesting form.
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Well, although I love Marillion, I.Q. and Arena, I must say, agreeing with Flowerchild, that Twelfth Night is my favorite Neo Prog band.  Their album, Fact and Fiction is my favorite of all the neo-prog out there, even beating out such great albums as Script for a Jester's Tear, The Seventh House, and Songs from the Lion's Cage.  I'm a recent convert to Twelfth Night, having heard Fact and Fiction for the first time about two years ago and since then I've managed to snap up all of the band's releases on cyclops.  For anyone who hasn't experienced the songs Creepshow or Human Being, get Fact and Fiction as soon as possible.
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Points: 623 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2005 at 20:04

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

i disagree completely, I think the neo-prog genre is one of the better labels we have, for the simpler bands that take elements of both pop music and symphonic 70's prog, and seek to blend the two, and revive prog into a modern interesting form.

Then what's the difference between art-rock and neo-prog?
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