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Points: 1584 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 15:52
Ok. I go with Phil Collins.
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Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

Ok. I go with Phil Collins.

 How utterly predictable
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Points: 32530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:04
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



Well, I'm pretty convinced that there is no "Devil," no "Satan," no invisible malefactor running around tempting people, and I can give a hundred reasons why not.

The first is that these words in the bible are common nouns, but because of tradition, are rendered proper nouns by translators.  Diábolos (translated Devil) means "slanderer" or "accuser."  Satanas (translated Satan) means "adversary."  The former term has a negative connotation (it generally would refer to a false accuser, like the false witnesses at Christ's trial). The latter term is more neutral- it refers to an opponent.  Hence, Jesus called Peter "Satan," ("get behind me Satan") because Peter was going against his master's plan.

There's an interesting part of the Old Testament where David takes a census. 2 Samuel 24 says God moved David to take a census, while 1 Chronicles 21 says Satan provoked David to number Israel.  So many people do all sorts of literary and theological gymnastics to reconcile this idea, when there is no problem at all if the language is taken at face value.  In context, God's anger was kindled against David and Israel, so he was acting as an adversary to them (i.e., a satan).  Yet tradition unfortunately provides us with a number of convoluted and needless solutions to a problem that only exists because of silly traditions.

One other reason I am confident that a single being called the Devil or Satan does not exist is because if he did, and if he could tempt everyone in the world at the same time (as Christians worldwide will say they are tempted by Satan), that would mean Satan is omnipresent- in other words, Satan has an attribute that biblically speaking, only God alone has.

So to answer your question, the prevalent ideas about both the Antichrist and the Devil are false teachings and depend entirely upon a poor interpretation of what the Bible actually says.


I agree with the danger of making leaps while interpreting the Bible and that many people don't actually know what they believe or why they believe it.  However, the Bible clearly teaches that a supernatural, yet limited, fallen angel called Satan that was cast out of heaven.  He is "roaming the earth" and not living in hell with a pitchfork and red tail like many people believe.  One way to look at it is that he directly doesn't tempt people but that his physical demons do.  I think the more logical explanation though is that it more symbolic, that Satan brought the idea of evil into the world which man chooses and thus becomes corrupted. I do agree, though that much is lost in translation and interpretation of what actually is the Devil.  I mean, you hear southern Baptists that burn books because Satan is in them or the "God hates fags" dirtbags who are complete idiots.  

As for the Antichrist or antichrists, there are so many interpretations, and everyone is sure they're right, that it's pretty useless to debate.  Since the Bible was written, people have been trying to guess what the end time prophecies mean and how it applies to them, but what has that accomplished? Perhaps since, for us, perception is reality, there is some merit to forming opinions on those things, but it doesn't actually accomplish anything.  If people could know any of this for certain, there wouldn't still be the same debate over it that there has been for millennia.


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Points: 1584 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:44
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

Ok. I go with Phil Collins.

 How utterly predictable


I would be thrilled to hear your highly original answer.
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Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

Originally posted by Epiglottis Epiglottis wrote:

< ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">You cannot speak of a "prog antichrist" without first knowing who the prog Christ is.  Geek
I'd suggest either Jon Anderson or Steve Hillage for their quirky and charming 'spirituality' and overwhelming positivity. 

Well Hillage even looked like Christ (or shall we say the western idealized blonde blue eye Christ)


:)

For antichrist, hmm, I have to give that a moment, and some beer for inspiration.




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Well, Nils Frykdahl of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum did a quite nice antichrist impression on "A Hymn to the Morning Star", but that of course is not really what this thread is about.
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Points: 1584 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 13:10
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Well, Nils Frykdahl of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum did a quite nice antichrist impression on "A Hymn to the Morning Star", but that of course is not really what this thread is about.



That guy's so f*cking scary, it's amazing.
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Points: 436 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 14:35
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Well, Nils Frykdahl of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum did a quite nice antichrist impression on "A Hymn to the Morning Star", but that of course is not really what this thread is about.



That guy's so f*cking scary, it's amazing.

Indeed. But i still think that band is very inventive. That too goes for the band Charming Hostess, where he is involved. 

I would put Frykdahl in the category of Crazy genius, with Frank Zappa and Mike Patton.




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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Guys, guys, please, keep focusing on the Antichrist of PROG.
So, now that we have cleared the discussion about the nature of the Biblical Antichrist, let's go to a more serious question: is Yoko Ono the Lilith of proto-prog?
Yes , in the same way Bjork is the lilith of crossover
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Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2011 at 00:45

The antichrist of prog is Marilyn Monroe er....... Manson. So anti hes not even prog but he admits to being the antichrist superstar.
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