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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2010 at 04:36
So the news is: two NO votes from the Symph Team which I assume means a rejection, + a previous rejection from Crossover. Having just listened to their two progressive albums I think that not having Dragon on PA would be a error. I'll support the band for Prog-Related... any other supporters other than Ben, Hugues and me? Nuke
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2010 at 04:51
I'll support the band for Prog Related even though they are an easy Crossover fit.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2010 at 13:04
I would have thought Crossover could have worked, but since they rejected it, I'd throw in my support for Prog Related.  It helps if a team will support an act for Related, though (common to vote yes, move (suggest to other category), PR or PP, or reject (not suitable for any category at PA). That's how it's done at progfreak, but symph and Crossover probably have their own systems.  If a team not only votes no for it in their category, but makes no suggestion of other category (be it a Prog category, PR or PP), then I think that can make it somewhat controversial.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2010 at 13:25
I've read that a Special Collab needs to support the case in front of the Admin Team; does he need to be a member of the team that rejected the suggestion and does the suggestion need to have a "Move to Prog Related" vote from the said team?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2010 at 13:37
Any SC can make the case to the admin team, and there are not requirements that I am aware of that the team need have a "Move to Related" vote from the team.  It's just common for teams to suggest other categories if they think, from what they know, it could be included anywhere else in PA (been part of the process of limiting bands from slipping through any cracks, but different teams work in rather different ways).  So if any SC wants to make a case to the admin team, they should, and it's good that it has the support from various SCs (even if it doesn't have support from any team members that evaluated it for their categories.  I think it can speed up the process when a team officially proposes it, but it doesn't always). Of course it's often a lot of work trying to build a case for PR, and different people have different expectations when it comes to that category.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2010 at 17:40
I support them on the site based on "Scented Gardens..", the only one I've heard.  Why not proto prog?  I don't think prog related is fair
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2010 at 00:41
Proto prog? It was the 70s when they were prog and they rejected all this in the 80s into their poppy radio friendly years 
 
Doesnt this make it prog related? i thought crossover for a while but Prog related fits as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 19:45

Stern Smile Seriously...They got rejected from all full prog sub-genres!?! How!?! I would like a full explanation on this one, because this seems pretty bogus.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2010 at 07:34
Okay, I'm a Special Collab now and member of a genre team, so I definitely want to officially advocate this band to the Admin Team for prog-related. I have backing from several other (Special or not) Collabs: Ben, Hugues, Ken and Scott, and there is a general consensus among other forum members (some of whose knowledge of prog is huge) that Dragon are PA worthy. I'll be writing the Admin team right after I post this. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2010 at 09:24
Prog related is the best category for Dragon. As an Aussie who grew up with their sacharine sugar coated radio friendly tripe, I am rather sad they didnt follow up on the prog years of their early albums. Lead singer died a few years back (marc Hunter) but they have a new lead singer and they are still doing gigs at small venues. They dont play any prog though having shed those years indefinitely. PR is therefore the best bet only due to 2 very rare 70s proggy albums.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2010 at 16:22
I concur. The fact that they are now pop or whatever is irrelevant, they made TWO PROGRESSIVE ALBUMS IN THE 1970's. Therefore, they are no different to Genesis, Yes, PF, etc... they made both prog and pop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2010 at 22:47
In fact those two albums (Universal Radio & Scented Gardens for the Blind) are easily the best Aussie/Kiwi prog albums of the 70s. The fact that they will be added in Prog Related is a CRIME!

Dragon's Prog career should be held to the same respects as Sebastian Hardie, Rainbow Theater and Ragnarok as being one of the best/quintessential Aussie/New Zeland prog groups of the 70s. So honestly, I think some of the teams need to actually listen to those two albums again.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2010 at 01:59
I do like these tracks
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2010 at 02:22
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

I do like these tracks
 
 
 


That's about as classic symphoic prog as you can get without being from Yes or Genesis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 02:52
it's another case which was heavily discussed but finally band wasn't added to PA. It's strange as Dragon recorded 2 the most symphonic New Zealand albums ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 07:14
Originally posted by ozzy_tom ozzy_tom wrote:

it's another case which was heavily discussed but finally band wasn't added to PA. It's strange as Dragon recorded 2 the most symphonic New Zealand albums ever.
As good as anything Cressida,Rare Bird,Beggar's Opera or Still Life did at about the same time.Yet,don't tell me they are not in?
I remember suggesting them back in 2008!!!!!Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 10:53
They are approved for Prog Related. I was supposed to add them, but I forgot. It will take some time and work, though. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2012 at 11:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2013 at 22:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2013 at 22:38
oh this poor band, I remember them from when I added Ariel due to Mike Rudd--  if someone has an original bio written, I'd be happy to add them

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