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moshkito
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Topic: More Topics/Ideas for DSO Posted: November 23 2009 at 21:06 |
Hi,
DSO ... that's too much ... and I can't get enough ... to the point that I would like to see more of your pictures ...
Here is my wish list ...
-- Would love to see one done for the Cosmic Couriers and the Ohr groups ... their stuff still is the best and most far out ever ... and if you haven't sat down and listened to Klaus Schulze with Lisa Garrard, you haven't let your mind flow off the handle for a while ... you got to!
-- Would love to see one for the ECM group of artists ... that free form of theirs is special .. put on Garbarek's Eventyr ... put on Rypdal's Eos ... put on Gismonti's No Caipira ... that's just for starters ... and it will give you visions of music and visions that are so far out there ... Rypdal's to me ,... is as if Jimi Hendrix was 75 years old and still playing and just enjoying his freedom and fun ... it's the best "chamber music" concert you will ever hear in your life ... with a live electirc guitar ... if you can't close your eyes and "SEE" ... during something like that ... I'll stop posting in these forums forever ... my words are meaningless ideas in the ether ...
-- I would like to see a "progressive" that has more europeans in it, and less english and american ... in fact, make sure none of those are in there ... it's such a bummer that we are so jilted towards one cultural language and the others get ... left behind ... but that's me ... a country-less man that thinks that cultural barriers are for the monkees not "people". ... and definitly not for us "prog'rs" ...
-- I think that the 3 best composers of our time, Vanglis, Mike Oldfield and Riuichi Sakamoto deserve one on their own ... although many here can not see the larger picture in the context of music history enough to appreciate them as progressive and as exploratory and advance the history of music and its abilities ... when you see it from afar ... I do agree that rock and jazz is changing it even more ... but we have to give credence to some people that are extending the music beyond ... radio ... we need to get off this "popular" thing and get into "music".
Any other ideas to confuse Dark's mind?
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darksideof
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 00:26 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
DSO ... that's too much ... and I can't get enough ... to the point that I would like to see more of your pictures ...
Here is my wish list ...
-- Would love to see one done for the Cosmic Couriers and the Ohr groups ... their stuff still is the best and most far out ever ... and if you haven't sat down and listened to Klaus Schulze with Lisa Garrard, you haven't let your mind flow off the handle for a while ... you got to!
-- Would love to see one for the ECM group of artists ... that free form of theirs is special .. put on Garbarek's Eventyr ... put on Rypdal's Eos ... put on Gismonti's No Caipira ... that's just for starters ... and it will give you visions of music and visions that are so far out there ... Rypdal's to me ,... is as if Jimi Hendrix was 75 years old and still playing and just enjoying his freedom and fun ... it's the best "chamber music" concert you will ever hear in your life ... with a live electirc guitar ... if you can't close your eyes and "SEE" ... during something like that ... I'll stop posting in these forums forever ... my words are meaningless ideas in the ether ...
-- I would like to see a "progressive" that has more europeans in it, and less english and american ... in fact, make sure none of those are in there ... it's such a bummer that we are so jilted towards one cultural language and the others get ... left behind ... but that's me ... a country-less man that thinks that cultural barriers are for the monkees not "people". ... and definitly not for us "prog'rs" ...
-- I think that the 3 best composers of our time, Vanglis, Mike Oldfield and Riuichi Sakamoto deserve one on their own ... although many here can not see the larger picture in the context of music history enough to appreciate them as progressive and as exploratory and advance the history of music and its abilities ... when you see it from afar ... I do agree that rock and jazz is changing it even more ... but we have to give credence to some people that are extending the music beyond ... radio ... we need to get off this "popular" thing and get into "music".
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Hola Moshkito  Any other ideas to confuse Dark's mind?  let me start by saying Thank you your great comment and taking your time to writing this great essay of some of the musician's that defiantly has a great meaning to your life. Let get give such a great I am also a huge ECM Jazz fan. I have been a Jan Garbarek, Keith Jarrett, Terje Rypdal for the past 20 years.(I all ready had in mind doing a ECM collage and a Garbarek one as well) After I was introduced to prog in the early 80's by my dear uncle which I love I was also introduced to Jazz and fusion it was like a second chapter to my life. Them my dear uncle brought an Cassette tape an ECM recording artists :The Pat Metheny Group, Jan Garbarek, Ketih Jarrett and Chick Corea ECM records. I enamored of this type of Jazz that even still today I truthfully love those early ECM records. Jan Garbarek had become the saxophonist that had accompanied me at night for many y ears. Too bad he doesn't tour the USA so I have never seen him live. I deeply love Garbarek records.. Then thanks to Garbarek I discovered his early records with TerjeRypdal and eventually Rypdal also become a favorite.A friend told me that Rypdal plays his guitar like a violin or synth. you can't even hear when he touches the strings. So powerfully beautiful. Well to mention the other fantastic musician that you also mentioned I am also a pretty huge Tangerine Dream fan and Vangelis. I think I have all Vangelis albums. The soundscape to my sweet dreams.
Well i had done a less American and English progressive collage in the past take a look below however it had been a bit less successful in popularity. maybe 'cause of the unknown bands. Again I truthly appreciate your ideas and effort to get across your deep desire to make unpopular and maybe unknown musicians to be known Yes, they do diserve the exposure on this forum.. 
Italian Progressive Rock Collage.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:52 |
...
Then thanks to Garbarek I discovered his early records with TerjeRypdal and eventually Rypdal also become a favorite.A friend told me that Rypdal plays his guitar like a violin or synth. you can't even hear when he touches the strings. So powerfully beautiful. Well to mention the other fantastic musician that you also mentioned I am also a pretty huge Tangerine Dream fan and Vangelis. I think I have all Vangelis albums. The soundscape to my sweet dreams.... |
Your work shows it too.
I like the idea of the way to describe Rypdal in some of his stuff playing his guitar like it is a violin ... I look at it as just another instrument that deserves the respect as an ... instrument ... and it doesn't matter to me if it is electric or not ... I get worried when someone thinks that folk is not prog ... because it is not amplified and it does not have an effect on the amp!!! ... and bands like Pentangle will get left behind ... so innovative and different that no one gives a hoot! Or even a Steeleye Span ...
Gismonti's tough one ... and best ... is "No Caipira" ... which is where bossa nova meets Villa Lobos, meets Stravinsky meets jazz meets folk ... and it just flies ... it's just one of the most astounding pieces of music to listen to ... and it's hard not to appreciate Gismonti ... my favorite still is "Magico", but I am a great fan of "Sol do Meio Dia" and "Solo" and "Danca das Cabecas" ... and I have never thought of this music as "jazz" at all ... I thought of it as the best that experimental and free form tripping in music and notes has to offer. ... and I am not sure that folks that ingrained in popular music and styles ... as in "prog" ... have the freedom to be able to get away from a drum beat and just flow ... just flow ...
I had a friend of mine that I played Ozric Tentacles to him ... and he got into the first cut and was tapping his foot and he was tripping ... and 4 minutes into it he stopped ... looked at me ... "where's the lyrics?" ... and he wasn't into it anymore .... it's the same thing here ... it's a programming of sorts ... and hearing and comparing and just simply enjoying beauty by all peoples anywhere else ... is not done ... blows me away that people try to find some compositional this and that for prog and mention Genesis and ELP, and not add CAN to the discussion when 2 of those members were graduates of the Berlin Conservatory of Music ... to me, it's just a sign of not appreciating "music" ... of being simply stuck on a commercial model ... and evolving ideas from those models only ...
The best, and purest music ... that has created our beast ... is always the one we never heard before ... or will take us a long time to get into ... we have to ear-tune ... but how can we say this and not make some of these people feel offended?
Your art shows the knowledge and expanse of your ears and your knowledge and your vision ... and that, my friend, is priceless ... to me!
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:59 |
All I know is I want to see a Kansas one. I quake to think of what you might do with the artwork of their albums and more.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:01 |
Have you done a Phideaux collage yet? If not, you should. Since Phideaux is also a member here, I suppose asking first would be a good idea. Though I'm sure he would really like the idea!
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:03 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Have you done a Phideaux collage yet? If not, you should. Since Phideaux is also a member here, I suppose asking first would be a good idea. Though I'm sure he would really like the idea!
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He should do an Epignosis one.
Imagine what that would look like at this point in my vast career. 
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JLocke
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:07 |
Epignosis wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Have you done a Phideaux collage yet? If not, you should. Since Phideaux is also a member here, I suppose asking first would be a good idea. Though I'm sure he would really like the idea!
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Nah.
He should do an Epignosis one.
Imagine what that would look like at this point in my vast career. 
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darksideof
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 01:15 |
moshkito wrote:
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Then thanks to Garbarek I discovered his early records with TerjeRypdal and eventually Rypdal also become a favorite.A friend told me that Rypdal plays his guitar like a violin or synth. you can't even hear when he touches the strings. So powerfully beautiful. Well to mention the other fantastic musician that you also mentioned I am also a pretty huge Tangerine Dream fan and Vangelis. I think I have all Vangelis albums. The soundscape to my sweet dreams.... |
Your work shows it too.
I like the idea of the way to describe Rypdal in some of his stuff playing his guitar like it is a violin ... I look at it as just another instrument that deserves the respect as an ... instrument ... and it doesn't matter to me if it is electric or not ... I get worried when someone thinks that folk is not prog ... because it is not amplified and it does not have an effect on the amp!!! ... and bands like Pentangle will get left behind ... so innovative and different that no one gives a hoot! Or even a Steeleye Span ...
Gismonti's tough one ... and best ... is "No Caipira" ... which is where bossa nova meets Villa Lobos, meets Stravinsky meets jazz meets folk ... and it just flies ... it's just one of the most astounding pieces of music to listen to ... and it's hard not to appreciate Gismonti ... my favorite still is "Magico", but I am a great fan of "Sol do Meio Dia" and "Solo" and "Danca das Cabecas" ... and I have never thought of this music as "jazz" at all ... I thought of it as the best that experimental and free form tripping in music and notes has to offer. ... and I am not sure that folks that ingrained in popular music and styles ... as in "prog" ... have the freedom to be able to get away from a drum beat and just flow ... just flow ...
I had a friend of mine that I played Ozric Tentacles to him ... and he got into the first cut and was tapping his foot and he was tripping ... and 4 minutes into it he stopped ... looked at me ... "where's the lyrics?" ... and he wasn't into it anymore .... it's the same thing here ... it's a programming of sorts ... and hearing and comparing and just simply enjoying beauty by all peoples anywhere else ... is not done ... blows me away that people try to find some compositional this and that for prog and mention Genesis and ELP, and not add CAN to the discussion when 2 of those members were graduates of the Berlin Conservatory of Music ... to me, it's just a sign of not appreciating "music" ... of being simply stuck on a commercial model ... and evolving ideas from those models only ...
The best, and purest music ... that has created our beast ... is always the one we never heard before ... or will take us a long time to get into ... we have to ear-tune ... but how can we say this and not make some of these people feel offended?
Your art shows the knowledge and expanse of your ears and your knowledge and your vision ... and that, my friend, is priceless ... to me! |
hey moshkito Great words man!! I like the way your express your feeling about the music your love. that I also love as well . well said and very possionate writing cool thing bud!  You gonna make me go back and listen to my Gismonti's records that I haven't listen in years. I have the records that your mentioned and I remember really enjoying them. I won't say that I am a big Gismonti fan but i do like his style and some of his albums. I should pay more mind to his records. In the acoustic I prefer Ralph Tower solo albums and his work with Oregon. Ralp's albums had brought tears to my eyes. his way of playing is breathtaking and gorgeous a master of his instruments. I do think as you but I can't express my feeling as good as you in your writing. I guess in my collages I do a better job expressing myself and my love for music. thanks again... 
Edited by darksideof - November 26 2009 at 00:45
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darksideof
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 01:43 |
Epignosis wrote:
All I know is I want to see a Kansas one. I quake to think of what you might do with the artwork of their albums and more.
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You know kansas was one the very first prog bands that I heard and loved. i love their work until Audio Vision but I do enjoy their rest of albums specially their very last somewhere to elsewhere. the great album that they could make in the 70's. I do have in mind of doing a collage for kansas but the only problem is time. my time is soo limited. Imaging I have a 9 to 5 dat time job 5 days a week, a 13 years old daughter and a beaufitul wife.  but I will in time. I love this band tooo
Edited by darksideof - November 26 2009 at 00:46
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darksideof
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 01:47 |
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 02:15 |
You should do a Marillion one, based on the Fish era! Awesome album art to work with already
Keep up the good work buddy!
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darksideof
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 11:01 |
progkidjoel wrote:
You should do a Marillion one, based on the Fish era! Awesome album art to work with already
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I had been asked in the past and Marillion once won the 2nd place when I had a poll about what should been my next collage. I am just not a big fan of them, but I see what I can do next year.. thanks for asking and enjoying my collages.. 
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darksideof
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 11:06 |
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 12:01 |
I like the idea someone had in another thread about a collage based on PA avatars--that would be fun.
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darksideof
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 12:33 |
Finnforest wrote:
I like the idea someone had in another thread about a collage based on PA avatars--that would be fun.
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yeah I read it !!  and I gave some subjections.
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 14:16 |
How about a collage that traces the history of Prog from the great Proto bands like The Beatles, Jefferson Airplane etc, through the Golden Age, Neo-Prog movement, the 90's Prog Metal and contemporary movement?
Too much maybe?
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darksideof
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 00:51 |
Any Colour You Like wrote:
How about a collage that traces the history of Prog from the great Proto bands like The Beatles, Jefferson Airplane etc, through the Golden Age, Neo-Prog movement, the 90's Prog Metal and contemporary movement?
Too much maybe?
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well my last collage ( Progressive metal influences) is kind of like that but I some bands excluded and it was only prog metal's influence. Your idea would be a more coplete collage. I keep it in mind. I would be a extremely hard work, but I like challanges. 
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