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Points: 40 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2009 at 00:57

Mm... Well I guess what i'm trying to figure out is what's the difference between triplets and double eighth notes.. The effect on the music.
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Points: 415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2009 at 01:21
Triplets are three notes played in the same time it would take to play two. You can write a triplet of three eighth notes (they must have a number 3 placed over the top of the joined tails). In a 4 (beat equals a quarter note) based time signature these would be played in the same time it would take to play two normal eighth notes. A simple count trick is to count eighth notes as 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 and triplets as 1 e & 2 e & 3 e & 4 e &. Triplets are more difficult to play because you need to play them quicker and the three grouping in the beats will be more difficult to keep the time. It gets particularly tricky when you have triplets grouped with normal notes
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Points: 2078 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2009 at 06:56
Again nice explanation cob^.

Just interested cjgone are you trying to learn to read music?



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Points: 40 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2009 at 16:37
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Again nice explanation cob^.

Just interested cjgone are you trying to learn to read music?
Lol I didn't want to say anything, but I have like 3 weeks of instrumental experience. :P I can only do 4/4 but I listen to mostly progressive and tech death so I don't want to constrain my knowledge by only using 4/4. :)
Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Triplets are three notes played in the same time it would take to play two. You can write a triplet of three eighth notes (they must have a number 3 placed over the top of the joined tails). In a 4 (beat equals a quarter note) based time signature these would be played in the same time it would take to play two normal eighth notes. A simple count trick is to count eighth notes as 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 and triplets as 1 e & 2 e & 3 e & 4 e &. Triplets are more difficult to play because you need to play them quicker and the three grouping in the beats will be more difficult to keep the time. It gets particularly tricky when you have triplets grouped with normal notes
 
Ah..?
 
So like...
 
6/8 with two triplet grouping of 8th notes plays faster temo wise than 3/4 with three double 8th notes?
 
Or how about 5/8s now...  Like a triplet of 8th notes and a pair of 8th notes.. How would that play out? Would that be the same amount of time as 3/4 three pairs of 8th notes because the triplet plays in the same time as one pair of 8th notes? 


Edited by cjgone - October 18 2009 at 16:42
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re the 6/8 3/4 question. You are confusing beat values here, I think. 6/8 has a beat value of 2 dotted quarters per measure. The joining of tails of eighth notes into 3 in 6/8 (or any compound time signature) is to denote this beat value- they are not triplets. How fast they play is set by the speed setting- moderato, adagio, or dotted crotchet = 100 etc. When learning to play 6/8 you count 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & (just remember this is a count , not the actual beats).

5/8 is not compound time, but simple time- 5 eighth note beats per measure.

To tell whether a time signature is compound, the top number must be divisible by three, but larger than 3 eg. 6/8, 12/8, 9/4 etc. To find how many beats divide the top number by three. To find which note equals one beat, divide the bottom by 2, then dot the resulting note. eg. 9/4 is 3 beats each of a dotted half not.

Any questions on how quick they are is relative to a metronome setting.


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Points: 40 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2009 at 00:51
Um, how about if you add up time sigs like:
 
 
3/4 + 4/4 = 7/4
 
If they add up like that, why would I even want to use 7/4?
 
 
Quote Any questions on how quick they are is relative to a metronome setting.
What about those ratio things like 3:2, irrational timing or w/e.
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