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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 06:12
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:


His eighties to ninties stuff is also fusion, I have his documentary on DVD and it is defined as fusion.
So IMO, mid 60s to 91 was fusion/prog, and IMO the post  bopstuff was proto- fusion, even if you don't consider the post bop stuff, over half his carer was prog, 1948-mid 60s jazz (about 15 years including post bop), mid 60s - 91 prog (25 years)


I see what you mean, but I actually wouldn't say that a single album Miles ever recorded was prog. And I wouldn't directly translate anything called fusion = prog. Fusion is just a mix of two of more styles.
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 06:46
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

^ easy.... to be blunt...  screw M@X's policy... and again...  add them as people review them.   can't think of more than a handful that will really get reviewed here.  We'll add the pertinent albums.. and let the others twist in the wind... this is a prog site afterall.. LOL


Anyone can add albums once the artist has been added. You won't be able to keep people from adding Kind of Blue ... Big%20smile


of course not...  as I said.. anyone can add them if they wish.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:


His eighties to ninties stuff is also fusion, I have his documentary on DVD and it is defined as jazz fusion.
So IMO, mid 60s to 91 was jazz fusion/prog, and IMO the post  bopstuff was proto- fusion, even if you don't consider the post bop stuff, over half his carer was prog, 1948-mid 60s jazz (about 15 years including post bop), mid 60s - 91 prog (25 years)


I see what you mean, but I actually wouldn't say that a single album Miles ever recorded was prog. And I wouldn't directly translate anything called fusion = prog. Fusion is just a mix of two of more styles.


I meant Jazz fusion





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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:



I meant Jazz fusion



Ok. Is it a kind of jazzfusion related to the jazzrockfusion of this site's concern? Would Miles be discussed/added here if we only knew of his releases 81-91 (he temporary retired from music from the mid-seventies up to ca. 1980/81)?

Sorry for all this nitpicking, but I do think its absurd to say that Miles Davis was prog half his career.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:



I meant Jazz fusion





Sorry for all this nitpicking, but I do think its absurd to say that Miles Davis was prog half his career.


almost as absurd as anyone thinking he WAS LOL...  the point I tried to make earlier is including him here is NOT the same as saying he was a prog artist....   again I ask...  just what the hell does that mean anyway.. being a 'prog artist'... oh yes...  an artist who ONLY did prog albums...  hahahha.. yeah....  let's eliminate fully 80% of the database.  Again.. because I love beating the dead horse...  this is a prog site..  not allmusic.com... this is a not a career retrospective site.. the prog music he did WAS J-R fusion.. thus that is where he should be added.
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^ Cheesecakemouse seemed to think he was. That's who I'm replying to. Anyway, now this is just a discussion about Miles and his music, prog, fusion and things like that. No one has been arguing against any of your dead horse points for a while. Atleast not cheese or I. 
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

^ Cheesecakemouse seemed to think he was. That's who I'm replying to. Anyway, now this is just a discussion about Miles and his music, prog, fusion and things like that. No one has been arguing against any of your dead horse points for a while. Atleast not cheese or I. 


that is why they call it 'beating a dead horse'  wouldn't be so dead if you all were discussing it now LOLLOLWink

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idk, there's a lot of the jazz-fusion on this site i have trouble calling "prog", should we take those bands and artists off the site?

what does prog mean anyway (wait, wrong thread)

the facts keep getting thrown around and everything that can be said for why Miles Davis should be on this site has been said already in this thread and others. at this point, I'm waiting to see Miles under "jazz-rock/fusion"...
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

idk, there's a lot of the jazz-fusion on this site i have trouble calling "prog", should we take those bands and artists off the site?

what does prog mean anyway (wait, wrong thread)



 Oh, come on. Read first, will you? The discussion is not about that. No, we shouldn't take them off the site, and I never said we should.

And I welcome Miles and his whole discography with open arms, even without pretending that he made progalbums for half his career.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

idk, there's a lot of the jazz-fusion on this site i have trouble calling "prog", should we take those bands and artists off the site?

what does prog mean anyway (wait, wrong thread)



 Oh, come on. Read first, will you? The discussion is not about that. No, we shouldn't take them off the site, and I never said we should.

And I welcome Miles and his whole discography with open arms, even without pretending that he made progalbums for half his career.




i was being sarcastic
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^ Good. I rather misunderstand, and get misunderstood once in a while, than start using emoticons.

I am being serious.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


I am being serious.


LOLLOL

not sure why I'm laughing....  that just hits my funny bone....maybe it was at the thought that someone thinking that you weren't serious hahhaha
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That's the first time I've been serious in months.
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*spills diet coke in lap* hahhahahhaa

stop it man.. hahahha.. you're killing me

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i do forget to use the emoticons sometimes..
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Hmmm.... I myself do find it a bit strange that the likes of Ambrosia and Talk Talk have somehow been found to be progressive enough to be included on this site despite the whole of  their catalogs being light on progressive music save an album or two, and yet Miles Davis, one of the great musical innovators of all-time, has not. I'm not saying that the former two do not belong, but it is curious that the man, who was at the vanguard of just about every jazz movement from the birth of the cool onward and including jazz rock/fusion, a Prog Archives sub-genre, has been found to not be relevant enough for inclusion thus far. So it appears that Bitches Brew, In a Silent Way, Jack Johnson, On the Corner, and Dark Magus just aren't as progressive as Ambrosia's debut album or Spirit of Eden by Talk Talk. Ermm
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:48
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Miles Davis has my vote. I'm surprised he's not already listed here.




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i know why he hasnt been included in the past. Ive tried to get him in here but did not have enough support before. Now it seems the vast majority agree he should be here and he should
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Points: 35886 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2008 at 22:23
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

i know why he hasnt been included in the past. Ive tried to get him in here but did not have enough support before. Now it seems the vast majority agree he should be here and he should


And he will be.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

i know why he hasnt been included in the past. Ive tried to get him in here but did not have enough support before. Now it seems the vast majority agree he should be here and he should


And he will be.


this is true Clap every time i come on this site i search his name to see if he's here. it feels like it's taking forever haha
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