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    Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:13
Rock theater...how important are the theatrical elements of rock to a progressive band? Should these aspects be important in considering bands?
 
Obviously, these days, theatrical elements are more common in bands, what with back up singers and fog machines and goofy light tactics, but back in the simple days, when most folks were content with going on stage with jeans and t-shirts and playing songs, it took Ian "I Guess We'll Try Prog Now" Anderson to add gorillas with cameras and diving suited telephone users to the Thick as a Brick shows.
 
Case in point, three of my favorite progressive bands and their use (or lack there of) of stage antics:
 
Jethro Tull: Obviously, once Ian "Holy Crap, I'm a Natural Frontman" Anderson got going with the theater, he got going. Back in the glory days, what with tents on stage and Jeffrey doing...whatever the crap he did, it got pretty keen. Of course, although he's put the codpiece away, he hasn't drained all the theater out of the show.
 
King Crimson: Not so much. When Jamie Muir left the band, we were just left with the Frippster sitting on a stool banging out awesome guitar solos while Wetton fiddled around behind the mic.
 
Procol Harum: No...f**king...idea.
 
Does Keith's knife throwing or Pete's endless Slippermen and Flower costumes offend you? Or are these key parts of a prog music show?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:24
the knife throwing and flower suits turn me off.. it didn't enhance the music and in certain cases, gave the wrong impression-- some people consider Genesis to be glam rock, simply because of a few photos of Peter in various degrees of costume. However, I love good rock theater... the Wall, Six Wives of Henry Vlll, Passion Play, Darwin, all great

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:28
Oh yes, one point I forgot. Rock theater is more than fog machines and pretty lights; it's building carboard walls in front of the audience.
 
And I've got a clip of the Passion Play tour someone on my ole laptop here...God Jeffrey was brilliant, the way he danced on and off the stage, still playin' those killer basslines. And Ian? NO ONE twirled their flute around their head like that in those days.
 
...Holy CRAP that was a fast move. But perfectly understandable.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:40
A lot of rock bands these days are missing a vital thing, and that's performance skills, IMHO. I watch those festivals like Reading, Glastonbury et al. when they are on TV and the musicians now are often just so boring to look at. Muse are a notable exception; the footage I've seen of them shows they have a real grasp of performance and stagecraft, rather than the 'turn up, plug in' attitude that certain UK rock bands seem to have (particularly the modern day indie ones).
 
I think Peter Gabriel's elaborate productions were great; Phil Collins said that they were eventually glad that Peter was such an extrovert because in the early days, they were boring to look at as they didn't really perform and didn't get any press!LOL Although some of it is very much of its time, Gabriel's performance style still managed to be ahead of its time and influential, IMHO. Bill Bruford also noted that when he saw a Genesis gig in the early 70s, people used to applaud the lighting changes because they were so unlike anything else at the time. Genesis have always tried to use the cutting edge of technology on their tours.
 
One performer who took something from Gabriel's style was Fish. It's that, more than the music, which I think was a big influence on Marillion. Sometimes Fish gets a bit hammy (that whole schtick of picking up someone from the audience wearing a mask in 'Grendel) but on others, it's positively electrifying, particularly 'Forgotten Sons'.
 
Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' had an impressive stage show, and the production values for 'Pulse' at Earls Court in 1994 were very impressive indeed (particularly 'Run Like Hell').
 
David Bowie was another master of this, IMHO. Not so much the overblown 80s 'Glass Spider' or 'Serious Moonlight' stuff but the 'Ziggy Stardust' and 'Diamond Dogs' tours were innovative.
 
Keith Emerson's knife-throwing/Hammond destroying antics are fun and entertaining diversions, but not really any more than that.
 
Rock Theatre that doesn't work? I think Rick Wakeman's 'King Arthur on ice' was just plain daft, and certainly detracted from the music, rather than add to it. I've seen some of that show and it's cringe-inducing at times.
 
I've seen that 'Hare That Lost Its Spectacles' film and it made me like 'A Passion Play' even less than I did already (and that's some achievement!). However, I've seen some film of Tull in the 70s and again, they definitely had a grasp of putting on a good show.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:44
Oh, yes, the ice show...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2007 at 07:12
I don't mind a theatrical performance but, as I said on another thread, no jugglers, fire-breathers or mime artists! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2007 at 05:47
Theatrics are fun to look at. So long as it's entertaining, it also makes the concert experience even more worthwhile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2007 at 04:47
theatre=prog


no wait, I meant prog=theatre!













...dream theater=prog...













what did I want to say?
*confused*


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