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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:24
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ sorry, I didn't mean to discuss this behind your back ... I should have known that by including a link to your review, the discussion would be more about your review than about the vocal correction software.Embarrassed

BTW: I actually agree that it makes sense to use vocal correction software to "optimize" the pitch ... I don't have perfect pitch, but quite efficient "relative pitch", and it always annoys me too when vocalist sing slightly flat ... some people don't care at all or don't even notice it to begin with, but for others (like me) it can ruin the entire song. I'd rather have subtle vocal correction than authentic, but flat vocals.Smile
 
I happen to like vocals that sound natural, even if they do tend to sing flat (like ALL singers without exception) - I'm not that keen on over-processed sounds.
 
Just wanted to make that point - otherwise, I agree with what you're saying!
 
I don't mind discussing my reviews - there seems to be an undercurrent of misunderstanding about some of them at the moment, which I'd be VERY happy to clear up in as many threads as it takes - so this is a good first step.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:34
I'm also beginning to understand your problem with prog metal ... at least I think I do. I'm currently at work and don't have so much time to write posts, but in the next few days I'll start a thread which might help to clear things up (some more).Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 05:34
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

As a massive and long time fan of Opeth, I found the review quite amusing.

The constant critque of his voice as 'comic book'....

The suggestion that they need better lyrics Dead

Did the reviewer listen to the album? If you're going to get someone to review Opeth, get someone who knows what progressive metal is.
 
Yes, I listened to the album.
 
I'm familiar with "growling", and, compared to other growling I've heard, it is comic book sounding. Maybe that's not a technical term - but growling is not a documented technique, so forgive me for making up my own language to describe it.
 
The lyrics are not exactly Gabriel, Hammill or Fish standard by any stretch of the imagination - and, on the whole, seem shallow to me compared to those luminaries.
 
I'm afraid you're right, I don't know what Progressive metal is yet - but I am discovering as I listen to more and more of it.
 
Note: No-one "gets" me to review albums - I do so because I enjoy it and was invited by the site's owners to do so.


If you're familiar with other 'growling' style vocals, you would realise that Akerfeldt's vocals are actually quite intelligible compared to a lot of other vocalists who use that style.

And no they probably are'nt like Fish or Hammill, yet as prog is all about originality and progressing, churning out the same lyrics and using the same lyrical themes and techniques like others would be a contradiction surely?
I myself find them quite poetic and effective at creating mental imagery, but then again that's just me and as opinion is subjective I won't say anymore on the matter.

I just feel that the comparison between differing styles of prog to be quite illogical, that's all.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 05:45
IMHO Akerfeldt's growls are among the best ... i've heard far, far worse growls.

Still, nothing compares to Nile (circa Darkened Shrines).Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 06:52
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:


If you're familiar with other 'growling' style vocals, you would realise that Akerfeldt's vocals are actually quite intelligible compared to a lot of other vocalists who use that style.
 
Intelligiblity isn't the issue - growling doesn't have to be particularly intelligible.
 
At the points I mentioned, I used the phrase "comic-book", because it made me want to laugh - but also cringe a little, as I found it rather cheesey, and when I looked up the lyrics, completely inappropriate.
 
It's the tone that seems to be wrong - note I said that he later uses it in a way that I would consider more appropriate.
 
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:


And no they probably are'nt like Fish or Hammill, yet as prog is all about originality and progressing, churning out the same lyrics and using the same lyrical themes and techniques like others would be a contradiction surely?
 
Indeed - but I meant that they're obviously not as good in terms of lyric writing technique, or depth - they're all surface and require no imagination or intellectual activity to understand.
 
Hardly progressive.
 
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:


I myself find them quite poetic and effective at creating mental imagery, but then again that's just me and as opinion is subjective I won't say anymore on the matter.
 
You're welcome to your opinions, but I don't find them particulary poetic - apart from the fact that they rhyme in regular places. They're too obvious and "in your face" - like pop lyrics.
 
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:


I just feel that the comparison between differing styles of prog to be quite illogical, that's all.Smile
 
I just compare prog music to other prog music - that's all. The logic appears to be sound - what's illogical about it?
 
If one group is demonstrably better or more progressive in some ways than another, then it's a worthwhile excercise for anyone keen on exploring truly progressive music to keep things relative.
 
The logic is in the yardsticks used to measure that progressiveness.
 
It is those you should examine, not the end result - which will always be opinion.
 
 
Anyway, while I feel flattered at the attention that my reviews are getting (any publicity is GOOD publicity), this thread is NOT about discussing my reviews in any depth - just one particular comment.
 
There was another thread in which my reviews were discussed, and that discussion has now been ended by the site Admins.
 
Feel free to start another, if you want to continue this topic, however.
 
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In the meantime, back to vocal correction software and its use - did Akerfeldt use it? Does anyone actually care that much? What are its merits or disadvantages?


Edited by Certif1ed - April 03 2007 at 07:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 07:10
I think it is a very fair review. As a piece of review writing it sets very challenging standards, that few could aspire too. The style isnt everyone's cup of tea though but if our reviews all followed the same patterns and expectations they would very quickly become redundant after the first review of an album was psoted.
 
To me, this review cements Mr Certifed's position as one of the TOP 5 reviewers on the site, maybe the Number One. Probably one of the most meticulous reviewers of Prog Rock music anywhere.
 
Reviews are opinions. Pure and simple.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 07:15
^ I agree, it's a very good review.Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 17:49
I'm not going to dissect and reply to your previous post cert1fied, as it would take me a while, and would probably just fall into opinion against opinion again.
I see your point, even as much as I do love Opeth and I shall let my resistance die here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2007 at 22:14
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

im actually suprised he was able to get through the whole thing without much of a peep

and LOL @ vocal correction software - making up facts is the way to go now right guys?

peter gabriel used vocal correction software fyi
 
 If I were to take Cert's reviews with this review's standard and compare it to yours I'd say you're not completely out of sin. I personally though there were much worse and biased reviews than his (which in fact, I found explicit and rich information-wise).
 
 BTW: It's more probable to say they used pitch correction software. Peter Gabriel has been around the music industry for more than 30 years and VCS were introduced in the mid-90's by Antares (which didn't affect other aspects of the sound), so what you're saying doesn't make sense. You're accusing someone for the same sin you commit
 


Edited by Chus - April 03 2007 at 22:16
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