10 CC split

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   Does anybody no why Godley and Creme left the group at the top of their game?

I mean, all four members were equally contributing songs and with everone of the other three members. Then all a sudden, after How Dare You? and the previous two Original Soundtrack and Sheet Music, the duo left , leaving Gouldman and Stewart keeping the falme alive. 

If on the outside in terms of commercial success, it will take a while to show that this split hurt the group, in terms of average tracks in the middle of the album, the quality had dropped solidly with Deceptive Bends and further more with Bloody Tourists.

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Sean Trane Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240	Topic: 10 CC split Posted: August 15 2006 at 09:28
	Does anybody no why Godley and Creme left the group at the top of their game? I mean, all four members were equally contributing songs and with everone of the other three members. Then all a sudden, after How Dare You? and the previous two Original Soundtrack and Sheet Music, the duo left , leaving Gouldman and Stewart keeping the falme alive. If on the outside in terms of commercial success, it will take a while to show that this split hurt the group, in terms of average tracks in the middle of the album, the quality had dropped solidly with Deceptive Bends and further more with Bloody Tourists.
	let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword

Cesar Inca Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 19 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 4888	Posted: August 15 2006 at 09:43
	It was just that Godlye and Creem wanted to devote more time to their gizmo experiments and focus more on the most bizarre side of pop music. Since they were also producers and video producers for other artists, they could manage to continue making money without releasing records and doing gigs in 10cc, while making records that were usually doomed to be left obscure and commercially unsuccessful (by the way, their "Freeze Frame" album is outstanding, pretty close to the weird side of 10cc... and Eric Stewart was one of teh sound engineers).

mystic fred Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252	Posted: August 15 2006 at 09:47
	When successful groups split or key members leave they usually issue a press release citing "musical differences" as the main reason. I guess this is the honest answer, though i imagine working within a band is like being in a marriage, and personal problems intervene. As for 10cc, some clues can be found in a newspaper article published in 1977 - read on... " Of the suggestion that the original members might eventually get back together again Stewart said: "No, I'd rule that out entirely. It's like suddenly being given your head after four years of being held back. I'm more excited now than I have been since the 'Sheet Music' album." Two's company, four's a crowd Graham Gouldman and Eric Stewart tell Geoff Brown how 10cc are faring now as a duo "In the initial stages of 10cc the four minds worked tremendously, especially around the 'Sheet Music' era. But by the time we were getting into 'How Dare You!' the four minds were going so strongly in individual ways it was beginning to pull apart." full interviews http://www.minestrone.org/mm_01_2_77.htm
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Sean Trane Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240	Posted: August 15 2006 at 10:21
	Cesar, Fred Thanks!! exactly what I was looking for.
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mystic fred Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252	Posted: August 15 2006 at 10:25
	You're most welcome, Hugues!
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crimson thing Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848	Posted: August 15 2006 at 11:27
	I find it slightly bizarre that we can have a niche here for latter-day 10cc (who I think are a great band still), and yet not Godley & Creme......"Consequences" - and its watered down single album "Music from Consequences" - surely is a prog album - albeit some tracks are almost unlistenable...(Rosie, Sailor...)....
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Easy Livin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585	Posted: August 15 2006 at 11:36
	yes, my recollection is the same as Cesar's. Godley and Creme had this wonderful new instrument and wished to devote all their time to developing it.

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: August 15 2006 at 19:07
	crimson thing: I'm with you: in fact, I would have added G&C to PA even before adding 10CC - despite how vociferously I aruged for 10CC's inclusion. TO ALL ADMINS: How about including G&C? All you need do is listen to Consquences and I guarantee you will vote unanimously to include them in PA. Peace.

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: August 15 2006 at 19:09
	BTW: All of G&C's albums are wonderful. "Consequences" is a monumental achievement in experimental music, focused largely on their invention, the "gizmo." "Music from Consequences" includes the few "songs" from the album, plus one or two of the instrumental tracks. "L" and "Freeze Frame" are as good as anything 10CC wrote. Peace.

crimson thing Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848	Posted: August 15 2006 at 20:14
	Off topic, I know, , but I read recently that Page used G&C's Gizmotron on some later Zep tracks....can anyone tell me which tracks? ....and Consequences is also notable, of course, as it features the late, great Peter Cook as guest vocalist....shame he's on the bad ones...
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Cesar Inca Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 19 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 4888	Posted: August 15 2006 at 21:35
	Maani said: "L" and "Freeze Frame" are as good as anything 10CC wrote. I couldn't agree more. I'd dare to say that these are the best 2 albums that 1occ never recorded... but should have. They even include some catchy songs that would have suited Stewart's voice perfectly: when Godley leaves his falsetto behind, his voice turns out to be as majestic as Eric's, yet more powerful. Great art-rock from late 70s and early 80s England!!

Sean Trane Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240	Posted: August 16 2006 at 04:13
	We'll see about adding G&C, then G&C were replaced by Paul Burgess, whose name sounds familiar. But I cannot place him in other groups (suppose I am getting old). I checked in Roxy Music and the Bowir crowd, but could not find him Where else has he played?
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salmacis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928	Posted: August 16 2006 at 08:58
	Paul Burgess was the drummer in Camel in the 80s. I already thought he was but I just checked it to make sure- I'm not 100% but I think he was still there later on.

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: August 16 2006 at 18:54
	According to Wikipedia, his first "major" band was 10CC. He was then with The Invisible Girls, Magna Carta, and even with Jethro Tull for a spell. He joined Camel in 1984 for about a year. Peace.