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    Posted: February 15 2006 at 12:00

I've had teaching experience with online universities, including the Univeristy of Phoenix, and from my experience, these institutions are a joke. Many people pay a lot of money for nothing more than waiting out the course and taking some sort of cursory test that eventually results in a "degree from an accredited university."

This has been my experience. There is no quality control, no real test of acquired knowledge, no time spent with someone who actually teaches and explains new concepts to students.

It's part of the dumbing-down of education that continues to get worse. Bachelor's degrees are becoming more and more meaningless. They mean about as much as a high school degree did back in the 1970's.

Again, this has been my experience and my opinion. I am interested to know if anyone else has an opinion on this matter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:09

I did my 2 bachelor's degrees without the need of the teachers.

online courses are good for programs like litterature , psychology or sociology, but they are useless for programs having laboratory experiments...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:37
How about computer training?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 15:39
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

I did my 2 bachelor's degrees without the need of the teachers.

online courses are good for programs like litterature , psychology or sociology, but they are useless for programs having laboratory experiments...

I'm sorry, as a former composition and literature instructor, I very much disagree. I mean sure we all can read a book and answer questions about what we've read, but to become adept at analysis and the larger implications of what you've read, you really need to be around someone who's spent their life studying the subject and has a passionate understanding of it.

There needs to be a face to face, real time communication involved or I believe a student is really short shrifting themselves and their education.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 15:44

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

How about computer training?

Well, I really believe that for effective learning to happen in any subject, there's got to be real time communication between people, because good students who care about what they are doing have questions, and then they have questions about the answers they are given. That's what learning is: knowledgeable people exposing others to new ideas and firing up their minds about it so that they begin to have their own ideas and want to discuss them.

Online universities like the University of Phoenix do a serious diservice to their students by promising a substantial education when in reality all they deliver is a few cursory assignments and a bogus diploma (after you've given them a few thousand dollars, of course).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 16:45

That's why you apply to a real university!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 16:59
I finished my last two quarters of high school  going to an online school, and I thought it was ok.  It was cool because I didn't have to do math or spanish because I already did two years of them, and I  could sleep, eat, and listen to music whenever I wanted, hahaha.  But I got too comfortable and did poorly in the third quarter, but brought myself together for the last quarter. It was a good thing for me to do at the time though, 'cause it's safer than going to an inner city school and I have social problems.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 17:03
I completed my BCompSc as an external student of a real university. You may class this as on-line, but believe me, it is much harder to complete a degree in this manner. Finishing the same course as the internal students, without the benefit of lectures, lecturers, pracs, classmates or a tutor to call on at any time was not easy, especially while having family committments and a full time job.

Though I have had no experience with Pheonix, I know that my university experience was much more difficult as an external than an internal- same course, same exams, without the on-campus benefits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 17:29
I'm currently studying a BSc in Motorsport Technology and in the materials and manufacturing techniques module we have hands on experiance with the equipment (lathes etc) as well as well as an autolab that lets us work with the mechanics of engines and gearboxes. This would be impossible for an online only school and would leave the students withouy first hand knoledg of what it is ther supposed to be designing. Basically the corse would end up unpassable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 18:49
I took one online course in pursuit of a BS. Frankly, I missed the interaction with the Instructor & other students. I only took the course to meet a degree requirement. My BS is from a Real Brick & Morter University.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 22:22
I agree with you that online universities are not the best environment for learning. There is a growing trend in the United States for "distance learning," mainly because it is becoming more and more difficult for people to afford going to college, especially with the Republicans in control (note the cuts in Pell grants and lack of education funding causing colleges to drastically increase tuition rates). So in order for people to afford to do this, they work full-time jobs and then do their studies online in the evenings. I believe some universities that offer these online courses do have instructors that can help them in real time over the Internet in chat rooms, and of course there is e-mail. Certainly that isn't as good as person-to-person, but it's better than no contact at all. In addition, friends of mine have gotten their graduate degrees by attending weekend-only classes while they work during the week. Whether good or bad, I don't see this trend ending anytime soon.

As others have already mentioned, this concept would never work when hands-on experience in labwork is needed.

Interesting topic, by the way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2006 at 22:39
well, this online education is even active nowadays below the university level! here in Quebec, colleges (institutions between high schools and universities) already use that kind of education: it is called the DECCLIC, and it allows students to chat, share information, refer to course notes, answer questionnaires, get written feedback from teacher, etc...actually, according to some articles, the social dimension seems to be very present. but, man, everybody knows that any young college girl needs to socialize for her optimal affectivity developpement: so, it is not on her computer that she will experience it! and, actually, how miserable would be the young college men, sitting behind their computers, deprived of the refreshing sexy looks of their female colleagues!
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