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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5684 |
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It's a very peculiar case, because everything the French-Quebecois do is somehow inferior to the same thing done by the French people from France (animation, comedy, TV shows, you name it).... except for progressive rock.
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Hey Svettie, I
think you over-estimate La Belle province's prog band's influenceness
even inside the rest of canada, let alone the North Am continent or even
French-speaking Europe. Few of those bands ventured out west, and when
one if them reached Toronto, it was almost an exploit or lifetime
achievement. The 70's were difficult time
for Canada & Quebec with the sovereignty crisis looming over the
second biggest land. There was much resentment over Quebec's will to
separate, because it threatened the country's land continuity and losing
the Maritimes Provinces (out east) to the US was a possibility many
Ontarians dreaded. Furthermore, at the height of the crisis (75/77) in
the middle of the cold war, the US amassed troops along the Quebec
border in the possibilty of interference from Cuba and the Soviets. Soooo,
there was resentment towards anything french/Quebec, not just in
Toronto, but out west (Alberta mainly). Whatever French-speakers
outside Quebec were in small cities or villages or countryside of New Brunswick (45% of the population) and Northern Ontario (40%),
but elsewhere it was rarely over 5%. Sure, at the height of the crisis
(75-77), the 400K Montrealers that oved towards Southern Ontario made
Totonto's economic power ever since (Montreal had been #1 until then),
but it didn't make it a bilingual city (despite the province being
officialy so). I had many buddies and
non-buddies that resorted to the "they lost the late XVIIIth C and early
XIXth C wars, so f**k them froggies" type of argument. You can easily
imagine that's +/- less what happened between Belgrade and the rest of
the Yugo republcs in the early 90's, but thankfully, the Independance
referendum was delayed until things had cooled down - and the unofficial economic
embargo weakened wills. What I'm trying to say
past this political context is that there was little any interest for
anything Frencho-Quebec in terms of cultural matters; especially that if
Montreal looked a lot at Paris (despite denying it), Toronto was
getting the flu when London was sneezing. Worlds apart really, despite
thousands of young Totontonites moving out to Montreal to party every
week-ends (looser alcohol laws and promiscuous women). Of
course in artistic circles, this was much less a problem, but I can't
say that I saw many of those Québécois bands in Toronto during the 70's,
and once I was mobile in the early 80's, most of the Quebec prog scene
had vanished into oblivion, as the disco tsunami killed everything
over-there. ============ Now sure, we can discuss about those band's influences nationally or worldwide, but none were Genesis, Crimson or Yes or Kansas. Sooo, yes, Quebec was the main point of entry for bands like VdGG and GG, but also Supertramp and Genesis. Outside
The Prog-Quebec team (two anglophones from Montreal), there is little
interest in reviving that era's music, because it brings out a sense of
defeat (or so methinks) to the population. Sure Harmonium's Fiori is a
living God on TV nowadays, but most of the crowd still think of the
hippie attitude as negative. =========== Personally
while I'm responsible of lobbying PA's quebecois owners of this site to
include most of the Quebec bands here, few were really groundbreaking. FTM,
I'd even tend to think that the most inventive aspects of the "scene"
was into "electronic prog" with Michel Madore (the Komuso),
Dionne-Brégent and Pascal Languirand (though he was often in Paris),
rather than the symphonic, folkish or JR/F aspects. Sadly, only D-B has
been reissued on CD, which gives you an idea about the "influence" the
whole scene might've had. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45661 |
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The sad thing is that it was Svetty in those contexts. (I think it's a Svetty clone now as well)
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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full album for Minos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6RiHvTX_Vk&list=OLAK5uy_nvh-Voy-eCpbUw60voPmL8oK93WI2wJBc
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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The 1970s' bands from Québec that I know lead me to support the supposition that << rock progressif québécois >> as a whole is superior to that of the other North American countries of that era. I really like Harmonium, Pollen, Maneige, Séguin, Sloche, Conventum, Octobre, and Opus-5. As a whole I think they fully trump Mexico's Nirgal Vallis and Decibel, and even Nazca, Galié, Iconocasta, and Delirium (from the 1980s), and I definitely like them better than America's collective of Kansas, Happy The Man, Yezda Urfa, Utopia, The Residents, Pavlov's Dog, Captain Beyond, Sparks, Babylon, Cathedral, and Crack The Sky. (I'm leaving out the jazz-rock fusion artists and Zappa, whatever he was. Put in all the J-R Fuse artists and it's no contest, but many people participating in this thread will not equate Jazz-Rock Fusion with "Progressive Rock".)
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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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It is no stretch to call 70's Quebec prog the apex of NA prog.
(function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8f81b5888a88ab87',t:'MTczNTIyMjgwMC4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;"> The next on the totem pole ,I hazard, would be mid-west prog. Bands like:Ethos,Albatros,Starcastle. I find midwest prog of the 70s to be less experimental than Quebec and tinged towards AOR. As to Ontario prog, you could count them with fingers of both hands. As the case with Ireland, Ontario 70s/early 80s prog lps number the scanty: The Hunt (first lp),Another Roadside Attraction,Symphonic Slam,True Myth,Terraced Garden,Spirit of Christmas, Dillinger,Saga,FM. |
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Disagree. Lots of world class prog acts from the rest of Canada and North America. Canada outside of Quebec: Rush, Warpig, Saga, USA:
Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, Santana, Chango, Sweet Smoke, Kansas,
Happy The Man, McLuhan, Pavlov's Dog, The Muffins, Utopia, Yezda Urfa,
Mirthrandir, Captain Beyond, Polyphony, Miles Davis, Mahavishnu
Orchestra, Herbie Hancock, Billy Cobham (born in Panama though), Return
To Forever, Al Di Meola, Oregon, Friends, John Abercrombie, Codona,
Dixie Dregs, Pat Metheny etc (i could go on) Of
course as far as Canada goes Montreal pretty much ruled as far as
inventive prog bands go probably because Quebec had a closer affinity to
the European scene given its French heritage as opposed to the rest of
Canada looking southbound to the US
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I said MIDWEST (Illinois,Nebraska...), not the whole of America. (And not fusion). With exception of Polyphony, all those you mention are not midwest.(function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8f8354b38fed3a04',t:'MTczNTIzOTgwNi4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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^ and why do you think i was responding to you? If
that were the case i would've quoted you or used an UP arrow. I was
responding to the premise of the thread
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correction: Yezda Urfa and McLuhan (I had to pull out my lp) are Chicago/area.(function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8f84a5849bf8a229',t:'MTczNTI1MzYwMi4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
And, of course, Kansas are midwest. ................... Sweet Smoke were German.
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Great list, it saves me the trouble. But let's mention However, Atlantis Philharmonic, Larry Coryell & Eleventh House, [Kansas precursor] Proto-Kaw, Starcastle and Synergy, anyway. ![]() As for Cobham, his family moved to Brooklyn when he was three, and he was drafted by the US Army in '65, so that makes him American however which way you cut it. ![]() |
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Iconoclasta's lineup changes but they continue to record. They're one of the first non-"Big 6/7/8/9/10" bands I learned of and got into and still like (a lot). I don't think they're "inferior" to anything produced within the boundary of Quebec. Todd Rundgren's Utopia's first three albums are primo prog rock. I don't see how anyone can down-rate them, unless you just don't like Todd's voice. |
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Don’t forget the Prog from Nunavut like Northern Haze and The Jerry Cans
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Curiosly I've just discover this Québec Prog Scene and I'm amazed by the quality I'm finding here!
Honestly, the only band I knew from Québec was Miriodor, as far as i know. I didn't know this amazing contemporary-classic influenced Prog from the mid 70's! And I like it!! So I tend to agree with the provocative question!
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