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Poll Question: Which of these "songs" do you like or are your favourites?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
8 [6.45%]
4 [3.23%]
4 [3.23%]
17 [13.71%]
22 [17.74%]
5 [4.03%]
2 [1.61%]
25 [20.16%]
7 [5.65%]
22 [17.74%]
6 [4.84%]
2 [1.61%]
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

While to me, nothing greater than the genuine socialism! - even communism, the way Marx thought of it, is very beautiful too. Big smile

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Ok. Even communism? That's much, much more extreme (imo). I have communist friends, I don't mind. But I do sometimes wonder how things might change between us, if they actually got their way. As the communist way is intolerant and always by force, it's a scary thought.

I was talking about Karl Marx, my friend, and he had a really great vision of future society, not least including:

"everyone provides according to ability and enjoys according to need"

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Points: 3578 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2024 at 06:25
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Yeah, I know, difficult to imagine with hundreds of years of capitalism culture. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Always good to have views about Britain from people who were not born there and have never lived there Dead. I mean I could talk about Belgium if you like , that would be just as meaningful. 

Yes, and the older ones know always better than the younger. Wink
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

While to me, nothing greater than the genuine socialism! - even communism, the way Marx thought of it, is very beautiful too. Big smile

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Ok. Even communism? That's much, much more extreme (imo). I have communist friends, I don't mind. But I do sometimes wonder how things might change between us, if they actually got their way. As the communist way is intolerant and always by force, it's a scary thought.

I was talking about Karl Marx, my friend, and he had a really great vision of future society, not least including:

"<span style="color: rgb34, 34, 34;"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" style="" size="3">everyone provides according to ability and enjoys according to need</span>"

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That distinction don't make a whole lot of difference to me. I have my reasons, but we don't need to discuss this here.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

While to me, nothing greater than the genuine socialism! - even communism, the way Marx thought of it, is very beautiful too. Big smile
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Ok. Even communism? That's much, much more extreme (imo). I have communist friends, I don't mind. But I do sometimes wonder how things might change between us, if they actually got their way. As the communist way is intolerant and always by force, it's a scary thought.
I was talking about Karl Marx, my friend, and he had a really great vision of future society, not least including:

"everyone provides according to ability and enjoys according to need"

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That distinction don't make a whole lot of difference to me. I have my reasons, but we don't need to discuss this here.

That's fine, I just want to point that that distinction makes a very big difference to me. Neither would I say that all communists have been alike. 


Edited by David_D - October 05 2024 at 03:42
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There have been some terms like communism and socialism being tossed around; I am a Social Democrat, or like George Orwell was, a "democratic socialist".   My country of Canada is turning more to the right, what with dimwit Pierre Poilievre the leader of the Conservative party doing well, and he will get in next election, and life for regular Canadians will go from "the frying pan into the fire" . The problem with Canadian politics is that there is no alternative politically that is both promising and viable. Things are going to get worse, not only in other spots of the world like the Middle East and poor Ukraine, but here in places like Canada. And as the environment continues to go down the tubes, globally, and it will continue to do so, we have all got it coming....
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Points: 11666 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2024 at 00:34
^As I am deeply sceptical to any kind of "ism"* or ideology, Social Democracy is the only existing sort of middle ground "ideology" I can more or less get on board with. It's more considerate than the alternatives, and has proven to make for functional and successful societies/nations. And whatever Orwell was, surely can't be too bad. But I guess we only know what we know



*I don't mind Surrealism, Symbolism etc... though.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Things are going to get worse, not only in other spots of the world like the Middle East and poor Ukraine, but here in places like Canada. And as the environment continues to go down the tubes, globally, and it will continue to do so, we have all got it coming....

I'm afraid, that's my point of view as well.
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Points: 6467 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2024 at 12:49
I voted for four: Karn Evil 9, Dancing with a Moonlit Knight, Thick as a Brick, and Dogs. I like how extended suites have been included because I rarely listen to one part of them alone.
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Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

I like how extended suites have been included because I rarely listen to one part of them alone.

I couldn't imagine to do otherwise, and actually, it's the first time that I'm starting threads about "songs" and only because of the theme. Smile
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Points: 8618 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2024 at 15:19
my favourite from the list....Jethro Tull-Thick As A Brick
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I have to give it to Karn Evil 9. Never has dystopia been embodied so well in a piece. The anti-consumerist and conservationist messaging is poignant as ever.
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Points: 15132 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2024 at 04:01
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

While to me, nothing greater than the genuine socialism! - even communism, the way Marx thought of it, is very beautiful too. Big smile

Actually, in the last instance, "quality over quantity" means to me socialism over capitalism. Also, I'm quite sure that if Jesus lived today, he would be a socialist. Big smile



Edited by David_D - October 29 2024 at 04:38
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Besides that, what have Jesus and Marx in common? As I see it, nothing less than the two most influential social figures/thinkers in the history of the mankind up till now.
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Points: 20848 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2024 at 07:41
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