Interactive Poll XXVI: The Dreadful Decade |
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jamesbaldwin
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The 1980's (Sixth part) 1986-87 years In 1986 many names of the previous year are confirmed (Madonna, Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran) but I discover Peter Gabriel with So, Joe Cocker and A-ha. At the level of songwriters, it is the consecration of Eros Ramazzotti and Zucchero, two Italian singers who will be successful in Europe and South America (I can't stand neither of them: the first in Italy is only listened to by females, the second copies the music of other artists but musically manages to do something good as blues). It is also the year of Talk Talk's The Color of Spring (I fall in love with Living in another world) and Depeche Mode. But I'm still stuck in rock, and I listen to Bryan Adams, Reckless of the year before, who remains a great album even today, he's really the Canadian Springsteen. And above all, I almost forgot, I buy Misplaced Childhood by Marillion, from the year before, which remains one of my first tapes. My first encounter with prog even though the single songs were pop-rock. Kaylegh is nice, Heart of Lothian already with its rhythm changes goes towards the prog but Lavander, 45 rpm version, will remain in my heart. In the Lp, however, there is a reduced version, because they mix it with the next one and I am disappointed. 1987 In 1987 in Italy Zucchero and Madonna, Michael Jackson and Vasco Rossi are confirmed, but I discover Guccini with Signora Bovary, which contains the tango Scirocco, which I posted in the Poll on Latin American music, I discover Paul Simon with Graceland, I discover the Dylan years earlier, I discover Prince and Pink Floyd. I really like Dave Gilmour's voice in the song On the Turning Away, I like Raspberry Berret, and most of all I really like U2's The Joshua Tree. Springsteen releases his album on his first marriage, Tunnel of Love, and I begin to understand that musicians chanege with their music at the same step of their age, Springsteen goes from Born in the USA to talk about the problems of the couple with many reflections. Then let's talk about Italian rock. I did not listen to them at the time because they were not very famous, listened only by Italians with good tastes, but in that years two groups give their best: They are Litfiba and CCCP. I have never talked about Litfiba. They are the progenitor group of Italian rock author of the eighties and nineties. I can say that after the prog of the seventies in Italy there is a void of rock music until the arrival of the Litfiba of the singer Piero Pelů and the (notable) guitarist Ghigo Renzulli. They have done a very good rock music. Here is one of their songs Their masterpiece is the 1986 LP 17 Re I have already talked about CCCPs led by Giovanni Lindo Ferretti. I put here on the Polls: - Tomorrow by CCCP feauturing Amanda Lear - L'Ora delle tentazioni by CSI that are the spin-off of CCCP and I put - Litany by Giovanni Lindo Ferretti with Ambrogio Sparagna. The masterpiece of CCCPs is their debut album with the kilometric title "Affinity and differences between comrade Togliatti and us, or on coming of major age". Togliatti is the founder of the Italian Communist Party. In short, CCCPs is the abbreviation of the Soviet Union, their first album refers to the historical leader of the Italian Communist Party, what do you think, maybe are they a little politicized? But actually the nice thing about CCCPs is that they are inspired by the Soviet Union more in an aesthetic than an ideological sense, and so they actually do delusional, zany songs and shows, German cabaret combined with German punk (they formed in Berlin), and sing Soviet themes with a background of Bolognese melodies. Theirs is called pro-German Emilian punk, of Soviet communist origin. In short, they are more nihilists than communists, if we are talking about their lyrics, and in the cabaret they do live there is a lot of goliardic spirit, here is one of their songs, that begins with a choir of the Italian alpins. Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 26 2021 at 11:59 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Lewian
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Let's first mention those I knew already. I actually like all three of these, the one by Phew, a-ha, and to my own surprise also IOU. I remembered this as a harmless pop song, which it is, well done but not for me, but revisiting it after so many years, I find it quite charming. Signal is very cool atmospheric stuff, together with Nick Cave the most expressive one for me. Manhattan Skyline is almost an epic, a well chosen highlight in their catalog. In fact I probably have heard The Carny before, but live in a different version. But this one really shines in the studio version. I like it more than all the studio stuff I had heard of Nick Cave before. The Iets Van Gevoel is maybe not that "arty" but its melody, arrangement and singing just hit my weak spot. So these two are clearly voted. There are a number of candidates for the third vote. The Gnags song has an infectous rhythm. The Microorganism is a fun piece, and I like Zaz Turned Blue and also Wax Doll quote a bit more in the second go. A hard decision... but then I see that all these have a vote already and Phew's Signal is without one, so I find it for once easier to vote for one I know. |
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Lewian
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Thanks for reminding me of that... the German one wasn't bad either. (Song starts at 4:45, before there's a speech the musicians had agreed on, all with English subtitles. Also there's Nena in it - as well as Herwig and Reinhold of Spliff and a former Fehlfarben singer.) Edited by Lewian - February 26 2021 at 14:08 |
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Ah... Nena! From 5:26 to 5:31... I put that in a loop for the rest of the evening. Very nice reading your Italian story, Lorenzo; learn a lot about the music scene of that decade in your country, which has some similarities with The Netherlands, but also some notable differences!
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jamesbaldwin
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the 1980's (last part) 1988 was an important year for me. Some records still remain in my heart. Rattle and Hum (U2), Nothing Like The Sun (Sting), Tracy Chapman (debut album), Fisiognomica (Battiato's best album of the Eighties), Tango in the Night (Fleetwood Mac). In Italy it is a year still dominated by melodic music (Sanremo Festival) and by songwriters, all good (Cocciante, Dalla, De Gregori, Vasco Rossi, Bennato, Pino Daniele, Lucio Battisti, Barbarossa etc) but without the poetic talent of De André and Guccini. The Jovanotti case explodes, he is the new melodic rocker, in his case also rapper, which is liked by adolescent males: Jovanotti, Zucchero and Vasco Rossi are the most loved and will remain so for many years. However, I must point out that I discover two songwriters of superior rank: Ivano Fossati, in 1988 finally reaches success. He comes from prog (Delirium), then he wrote many songs given to many female performers, and finally he reaches success alone with "LA PIANTA DEL TE '", the first of very magnificent albums. The second is Paolo Conte, jazz singer and pianist loved above all in France, with a humorous and irreverent vein, of which I put the song Via con me (one of the most commercial of him) in the last Poll. Conte is a true singer-songwriter, who sings with the mushy voice of a smoker and wine drinker, and who sings in a deliberately off-key and drawling way. They are both from Genoa, the city of De André. Genoa and Bologna (the city of Guccini, Dalla, Giovanni Lindo Ferretti) are the Italian capitals of songwriters, followed by Rome, Milan and Naples. I post a song by Fossati from 1988, one by Conte and one by De Andre from the eighties. But 1988 will remain in my heart for the first two concerts at the stadium. In June Bruce Springsteen arrives in Turin, tour of Tunnel of Love. 4 hours of concert (with a central break). Sensational. It's the first Bruce concert I've ever seen. I've seen 20 so far, I think. Thinking about it now, he has made much better ones. At that time he flirted on stage with Patti Scialfa, and in fact in that year he separated from his first wife, married in 1985, to get with Patti. And you could see that the two already loved each other when they sang looking into each other's eyes Tougher Than The Rest. But I get to talk about the moment that will remain forever in my memory. In October Springsteen returns to Turin, for a concert that lasts 9 hours. Nine hours? Yes, because he is not alone. It's the Amnesty International concert. Tracy Chapman opens, alone, guitar and vocals, fantastic. Then Youssou N 'Dour (nobody knew him); then Claudio Baglioni, a very melodic singer-songwriter loved only by females (I talked about it in the part dedicated to the year 1985). Then here's the beautiful scenery: Sting, Peter Gabriel and Springsteen. The former have 40 minutes each, the last three an hour. Then all together singing Bob Marley's Get Up Stand Up, Bob Dylan's Chimes of Freedom and Twist and Shout with Springsteen's band staying on stage. Half an hour, if not more, takes a break between one artist and another to change the stage. It starts at 4 pm with the sun and ends at 1 am. Unforgettable concert. Much of the audience came to see Springsteen. Then many also for Sting. And also for Gabriel (the nostalgics of Prog plus his new audience). What happens during Baglioni's performance? The end of the world. Baglioni has an audience made up of teenage girls, nothing to do with rock. Zucchero or Vasco Rossi were more suitable for that rock concert but Amnesty Internationl chose Baglioni because he had been involved in the fight for human rights for years (he is a serious person, even if you wouldn't say, from his songs). At the stadium we were all teenagers and adults who loved rock. Apart from a few groups of little girls. When Baglioni goes on stage he is covered with whistles, nothing is heard, and then from the front rows they throw oranges and tomatoes at him, an incredible thing. I was 30 meters from the stage and I could see everything. There was a deafening sound of whistles (in Italy they are negative) and Baglioni while he sang dodged the oranges by moving his head. I appreciated Baglioni for his courage. Believe me, it's the truth. Just think: we were at a human rights concert and the front rows were throwing oranges against the singer !!!! I think that what happened to Baglioni expresses the unease of many boys who were tired of listening to honeyed and cloying melodic songs and wanted to isten to rock music. Halfway through his performance Peter Gabriel went on stage to sing with him NINNA NANNA "Lullaby". I don't know if it was intended or if it was a way to defend Baglioni from throwing fruit and vegetables. Incidentally, Gabriel's performance was fantastic, Springsteen-worthy, better than Sting. Since then I have loved Peter Gabriel and even now I prefer him to Genesis. In the end everyone sang Twist and Shout and Gabriel and Sting laughed to see Springsteen who didn't want to concede the song and kept repeating the chorus. Sting has since become a close friend of Springsteen. Sting and Springsteene sang The River together with the violinist of Peter Gabriel. It was the best moment of the show. 1989? It was another important year for me. I can tell you this: I discovered Bob Dylan: Oh Mercy is a wonderful album and.... Nick Cave, especially The Carny. And the prog? I discovered the prog in the Nineties, and I couldn't help falling in love with Peter Hammill. Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 27 2021 at 10:14 |
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Lewian
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Sting's eighties albums are fantastic, good to see him mentioned here!
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jamesbaldwin
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I forgot
Talk Talk: Spirit of Eden, 1988. It's one of my fave album ever. Especially side A, in fact a suite in three movements. Wonderful. And I appreciate that a band like Talk Tallk, after having reached the success (It's My Life, The Colour of Spring) decides to suicide itself with this album, in the name of the art. Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 27 2021 at 17:46 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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Oh, well, very good song, much better than the Italian "Volare". Good vocals performances, good music.
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jamesbaldwin
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The Call - This is a powerful music, almost glam rock, or dark, gothic rock. It recalls me (for the music and the timber of the vocals) the Mission, a band that I loved in the Eighties. Very very good song.
Zaz Turned Blue - Great melodic song, with a phenomenal baritone voice, very romantic and evocative. Wow! Slingrer Ned... - Pleasing commercial song with a sound very eighties. I like the vocals and the Rhythm. A-Ha - I liked A-ha. Especially for the beautiful voice of the singer. This song is wonderful, melodic and hard rock at the same time. Great, great ispiration. Maybe a little overproduced but it's a masterpiece Lets Van Gevoul - another commercial song very good in Eighties style, Phew- noisy and avant-garde song based on percussive rhythm. hmmmm ... I dont know what to think but it's interesting Dead Kennedys - This is a masterpiece of hardcore music... Wow... not easy listening.... Freez - Sound very eighties Fehlfarben : Deutsch post punk band? Boiled in.... It recals me The Strawbs and Fariport Convention Lloyd Coyle - Deep voice, pleasing music Bitter Sweet Alley - Hard rock Robyn Hitchcock - Good songwriting, he is a true songwriter. My Podium: 1) A-Ha. 2) Zaz Turned Blue And for the third place, bronze medal, it's difficult to choose between The Call and Dead Kennedys... they are at the same level for me. But ok, for the immediate pleasure I choose 3) The Call ---- 3) Dead Kennedys 4) Slingrer Ned... 5) Phew 6) Fehlfarben 7) Robyn Hitchcok |
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Sorry again for the delay....hard for me to choose because not very many of those struck a chord for me,...again my tastes are pretty traditional but these registered...
-The Call- The Woods....(I did have one or two lp's by them in the past and I Still Believe was one I also liked) -Nick Cave-The Carny...( a unique performer and cult favorite and my friend Greg was a huge fan,,he used to play his lp's for me all the time in the 80's and 90's) -Lloyd Cole- Forest Fire...(heard the name but not the music before...good indie pop rock...)
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My picks:
1-) a-ha - Manhattan Skyline (Cristi) 2-) Bitter Sweet Alley - Time To Move (rushfan4) 3-) Gnags - Slingrer ned ad Vestergade (The Anders) |
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A few others could have got my vote too, but voting for Was (Not Was) - "Zaz Turned Blue", Nick Cave - "The Carny", and Fehlfarben - "Hutschlaeger".
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Freeze mothaf**ka! I'm da winner! I'm the 1st! (If you look from the back side).
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Late to the party but my votes went to:
The Gnags Phew Bitter Sweet Alley Edited by mathman0806 - March 04 2021 at 17:32 |
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Finally got to vote: Nick Cave - The Carny (jamesbaldwin) |
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Thanks for the vote. But there is no "the" before Gnags. They started in 1966 as Those Gnags but quickly shortened the name to just Gnags.
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