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Vompatti
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Posted: June 03 2016 at 14:33 |
That seems relatively fair k
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Tillerman88
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Posted: June 03 2016 at 15:04 |
Every once in a blue moon that I stop by on this forum still as a newbie I'm astounded either by some unique and weird music.. or some other non-musical weirdness. No idea who Steve is, neither what stuff 'sucks' on here, but this time you put that pretty hilarious movie 'Asterix and Obelix On Her Majesty's Service' stuck in my mind heheh ... wondering whether it could make an interesting concept for a prog rock album Btw I'm just not willing to poke fun at anything here at all, not my intention here or on any sort of forum.
Edited by Tillerman88 - June 03 2016 at 15:05
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: June 03 2016 at 17:39 |
Message from SteveG via my PM box on PE
StevegSr wrote:
Hi Sean!
Please post this letter on Prog Archives in the thread about me. I feel that it's needed.
Thanks, SG
“Hi folks!
This is kind of like being deceased and listening to people speak of you.
To get to the heart of the matter, I don’t want to return to PA in any form of discussion forum. I apologize to all for my last outburst, especially to David (Guldbamsen), who got the brunt of my attack. He didn’t deserve it and I do feel sincerely bad about it. I was treated better at PA than I should have been by David, Andy Webb et al, as I know they made allowances for me having known my personal situation at the time. I used PA as what I assumed was just something to pass the time while I attended to wife’s needs.
What I didn’t realize was how much I learned from so many members there. I always felt as if I was speaking to a prog expert or a music expert as opposed to a prog fan with an opinion, which is rampant at the site I now frequent.
I also really enjoyed Timothy Leary’s photos with a hot cup of coffee and I came to appreciate Dean always pushing me for verify my facts and not lean toward conjecture, and I have assumed the same position with others. Despite the occasional blowup with a few members, I did sincerely like all at PA without reservation. As I said, I was conversing with prog experts, not just prog fans.
Btw, I was threatened with suspension at Ppogressive Ears after one of many told me to take my “Prog Archives mentality” and hit the road. As if I was an ambassador from PA. The anti PA bias is incredible. And I wasn’t going to budge. Ironic, isn’t it?
Ok, so this is it. I would like to thank David, Dean, Andy, Sean Trane. Dark Elf, Dr Wu, Timothy Leary, Holy Moly Steve, Barbu, Emigre80, Raff and all who have made my life a little bit better than it would have been over the last two years.
I hope this letter heals some wounds and sets some things to rights.
Regards, SteveG" |
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 03 2016 at 19:57 |
Good letter.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 03 2016 at 22:00 |
Candid and heartwarming. Best wishes for him in the future.
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emigre80
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Posted: June 03 2016 at 22:17 |
There were no wounds to heal on my part. Please wish him the best from us.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
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Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 01:31 |
emigre80 wrote:
There were no wounds to heal on my part. Please wish him the best from us. |
Oh he'sreading the thread allright... (since his message came after my first post on this thread yesterday) I suppose that's why he's asked me to post this.
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micky
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 06:31 |
Thanks for forgetting me Steve! Though no hard feelings.. I am a strong man.. a secure one very used to being overshadowed by my dear sweetheart of a wife haha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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timothy leary
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Location: Lilliwaup, Wa.
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 08:00 |
I hope he can be reinstated.
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DDPascalDD
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 10:26 |
I couldn't really get to know him for a long time, but I do agree strongly that the people here are real music and prog experts.
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 10:38 |
Myself, I'm no expert. I'm just a prog fan. You can tell me by the way I walk.
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emigre80
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 12:14 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Myself, I'm no expert. I'm just a prog fan. You can tell me by the way I walk. |
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micky
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 12:58 |
emigre80 wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Myself, I'm no expert. I'm just a prog fan. You can tell me by the way I walk. |
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yeah... anyone with the 4 letters R..U...S...H.. in their screen names is automatically disqualified from being considered an expert on prog here. They get filed under fanboys... At least if Steve couldn't mention me directly by name.. at least he got me indirectly Thanks man.. we do our best.. as much as humanly possible to expose you all to the stuff outside of the same old sh*t most of the folks here listen to.
Edited by micky - June 04 2016 at 12:59
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Dean
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Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 13:04 |
Vompatti wrote:
Could someone explain who makes the decisions on whom to
ban and for what reasons, and why would they choose to ban anyone but those who regularly post illegal content?
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Sure, but I can only speak for myself. It's something I did with regret and only as a last resort, and only then after considered and level-headed discussion in the AZ with our fellow Admins.
During my time we had a rule that an Admin could not moderate on discussions he was actively involved in (this seldom applies to current Admins as they generally are not as active on the forum as we were back then), this way we could avoid being accused of misusing our authority and could freely partake in forum discussions. This had a secondary effect that we'd usually step away from any disciplinary discussions involving someone who we'd previously had a heated exchange with. So we tried to be as impartial as was humanly possible to be in a small community such as ours.
To actually be banned took a great deal of effort. The quickest way is to make a racist comment as we had (and hopefully still have) a zero tolerance for that behaviour - the moment we start tolerating racism will the day the PA dies in my opinion - I like it here because we have a high-level of acceptance of people regardless of who they are.
So... Usually there would be an official warning sent by PM to all parties involved. I would say that in the majority of cases that would be the end the situation. As Bob would have said, the person would "take a telling" - we generally would not enter into a he-said/she-said argument with the person being warned. If the person stopped doing whatever it was they were doing the matter was over as far as we were concerned.
However, if that warning was not heeded then a temporary suspension was imposed - usually a week or a month depending on how belligerent the miscreant was and the seriousness of his misdemeanor. Contrary to popular belief, we didn't actually hold grudges or anything as petty as that. Some people like to flatter themselves that they were on an Admin's-hit list but if such a list existed I never saw it in the seven years I was an Admin. We'd also not punish someone twice for the same offence, if the second offence was the same as the first then generally they would get the same punishment as before - again, it would take a lot for someone to get progressively longer and longer suspensions.
There are some who were serial offenders - not only was their behaviour disruptive and aggressive, it got progressively worse - once two people (I guess you know of whom I refer) returned after an unprecedented one year ban only to start stirring up trouble all over again. They were given fair warning that such behaviour was not tolerated but they continued (probably for their own amusement) so after, as I have said before, considered and level-headed discussion in the AZ they were given a permaban.
In seven years I only dealt out the permaban-hammer on one occasion - it was I who kicked out Walter - not for his silly belief that everything post 1989 was crap, but for relentlessly attacking every modern-prog loving newbie who joined the site despite being repeatedly warned to stop or be suspended. Again, this was discussed in the AZ and the decision was made that we liked having newbies free to join this site without being harassed much more than we enjoyed laughing at Walter.
I did hand out one temporary suspension to someone who then tracked me down on social media and called me a four-letter word that begins with c and ends with unt. Bemused by this I mentioned the incident in the AZ- the other Admins didn't find it that funny so they permabanned him. Personally I was looking forward to his return so I could rip him a new arsehole, but there you go.
Now - here's a thing - some people who claim to have been permabanned from here actually never were. There is some weird kind of kudos attached with being dealt a life-ban from an internet forum - some may have received a temporary 1-week suspension and chose never to return, and some simply ran away after receiving an official warning. I recall one member asked to be demoted then stated elsewhere that he had been demoted, leaving everyone to infer that the demotion was imposed upon him by us. People on the Internet are strange.
So let's put this into perspective - the actual number of people who have been permabanned from here is a very very small number even when you count all the spam-bots and ratings abusers with multiple accounts. If we just count real people who interacted on the forum for any length of time then it is probably less than 20... 20 out of 56,130 people who have apparently signed up as members over the past 12 years. Even if that is a low-estimate and the real figure is 200 (which it most certainly isn't) that's still a stupidly small percentage that actually shows how much we favour redemption and forgiveness over permanent banning.
I hope that answers your question.
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Polymorphia
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Joined: November 06 2012
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 15:41 |
Dean wrote:
a four-letter word that begins with c and ends with unt.
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"Count?"
Which, incidentally, is something I cannot do.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Online
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 04:15 |
Dean wrote:
So let's put this into perspective - the actual number of people who have been permabanned from here is a very very small number even when you count all the spam-bots and ratings abusers with multiple accounts. If we just count real people who interacted on the forum for any length of time then it is probably less than 20... 20 out of 56,130 people who have apparently signed up as members over the past 12 years. Even if that is a low-estimate and the real figure is 200 (which it most certainly isn't) that's still a stupidly small percentage that actually shows how much we favour redemption and forgiveness over permanent banning. |
Absolutely not doubting the numbers, but 20 would be just that Wallace character and his many reincarnations, no??
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Dean
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Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 05:21 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Absolutely not doubting the numbers, but 20 would be just that Wallace character and his many reincarnations, no??
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not quite, though he accounts for maybe a third of that.
Shame he couldn't control himself because he was mostly tolerable and moderately knowledgeable, I chalked him up as a lost cause some time ago after giving him far more second chances than he rightfully deserved.
Edited by Dean - June 05 2016 at 16:31
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Vompatti
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 16:21 |
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 20:49 |
Polymorphia wrote:
Dean wrote:
a four-letter word that begins with c and ends with unt.
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Which, incidentally, is something I cannot do. |
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