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fudgenuts64 
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Posted: August 14 2014 at 23:48 |
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So, most seem to think that And Then There Were Three was Genesis's first album where they went pop. To my ears, it sounds like a more condensed Wind and Wuthering. I feel bad for those who haven't given it a listen but liked Wind and Wuthering. I feel as if most would really like this album as well.
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Posted: August 14 2014 at 23:53 |
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No because Wind and Wuthering at least has a couple passable songs on it
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Posted: August 14 2014 at 23:58 |
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I like ...And Then There Were Three, but I would be only fooling myself if I claimed to love it. Down And Out, Undertow, Deep In The Motherlode, and Snowbound are my favorites, but little else has touched me. For me, Hackett's departure is where I personally step foot off the grand ship Genesis and bid farewell to one of my favorite bands.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 00:23 |
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It shares similarities, sure, it is the same band, sort of, but the two are very different albums. Genesis has nothing in their catalogue that sounds quite like ATTWT. Without Hackett, the remaining three were exploring new sounds, and soon opted for the more commercial sound we hear the first inkling of on this album.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:03 |
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A big YES without question. Short-song format notwithstanding, (most of) these songs fit the Prog bill quite nicely.....
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:14 |
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It's a good album but lacks the Hackett magic---and Hackett could have made this a great album by adding his thing to it had he still been in the group. So, it doesn't sound like WandW --which I think is a great album.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:34 |
Voted NO
W&W is quite messy and disjointed . ATTWT is a very nicely ordered album with some very punchy (if short) prog tracks mixed in with commercial ballads that were pointing the direction they were going in. I prefer it to W&W which was an attempt to cling on to former glories and only succeeded with One For The Vine and Blood On The Rooftops. Hackett leaving brought the best out of the others I believe. Collins drumming went up a notch compared to his generally uninspired efforts on W&W and Banks synth work is amongst his very best..
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:13 |
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An interesting perspective, richardh. I will agree the drumming on this album is absolutely stellar and if you like Banks keyboards, this album is absolutely essential.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:21 |
 twosteves wrote:
It's a good album but lacks the Hackett magic---and Hackett could have made this a great album by adding his thing to it had he still been in the group. So, it doesn't sound like WandW --which I think is a great album. |
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:25 |
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I always thought that regarding Phil's drumming on this album, he injected a bit of that Brand X technicality to the proceedings. Not to mention that Banks is on fire.....that ARP of his may well have packed it in after this album......
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:31 |
Lacked the Hackett Magic for sure, but a very good album ….. The follow up, Duke was even better…After Duke, I lost all interest…..
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:40 |
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^ After Duke, most Proggers must've been up the creek without a paddle (so they say). Coming into this whole Genesis-Prog affair after the fact (late 80's), I do respect these crossover attempts during their later career, but nothing compares to their 70's output.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 03:09 |
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I'd say yes, though W&W is way better and Steve Hackett's departure is a sore loss. But there are some similarities in atmosphere.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 03:19 |
Wind and Wuthering marked the start of the decrease in prog content of albums by Genesis - the start of the slippery slope, so to speak.
ATTWT just carried it on. The main difference is the much lower quality of the guitar playing, but in other areas, it's pretty similar - just a bit worse.
After that, the wheels came right off the Genesis juggernaut for me and it ploughed completely out of control into pop rock territory.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 05:19 |
I see what you mean and I put yes. You can track the band's change with each album really (except maybe the debut to Trespass), and on ATTWT, they sounded a bit lost without Hackett... Couple of good songs though, but on the whole weak for a Genesis album and I much prefer Duke! 
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 05:47 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
No because Wind and Wuthering at least has a couple passable songs on it
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 07:22 |
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not familiar with it as much, though i like Down and Out and am a big fan of the hit (you know it, now don't make fun of me lol). so no vote here.
Edited by Michael678 - August 16 2014 at 08:08
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 07:22 |
richardh wrote:
Voted NO
W&W is quite messy and disjointed . ATTWT is a very nicely ordered album with some very punchy (if short) prog tracks mixed in with commercial ballads that were pointing the direction they were going in. I prefer it to W&W which was an attempt to cling on to former glories and only succeeded with One For The Vine and Blood On The Rooftops. Hackett leaving brought the best out of the others I believe. Collins drumming went up a notch compared to his generally uninspired efforts on W&W and Banks synth work is amongst his very best..
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I highly disagree that Wind & Wuthering is messy and disjointed. I think it's one of their best post-Gabriel attempts along with A Trick of the Tail. Two very fine albums. Sure, Wind & Wuthering isn't perfect, but no album is actually perfect. I could do without All In A Mouse's Night and Your Own Special Way, but even these songs have their redeeming qualities. The 'trilogy' of Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers/...In That Quiet Earth/Afterglow is one of the greatest things they've done IMHO.
Anyway, like I said, I lost interest once Hackett abandoned ship.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 07:30 |
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Voted yes, with a little reluctance. It's closer to WAW in feel than it is to Duke imo. In places at least. Both albums have weak points..
However, ATTWT is still one my favourite Genesis albums.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 08:19 |
richardh wrote:
Voted NO
W&W is quite messy and disjointed . ATTWT is a very nicely ordered album with some very punchy (if short) prog tracks mixed in with commercial ballads that were pointing the direction they were going in. I prefer it to W&W which was an attempt to cling on to former glories and only succeeded with One For The Vine and Blood On The Rooftops. Hackett leaving brought the best out of the others I believe. Collins drumming went up a notch compared to his generally uninspired efforts on W&W and Banks synth work is amongst his very best..
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I'd illustrate your comment pointing out that the three W&W instrumentals (Wot Gorilla?, …in That Quiet Earth and Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers…) clearly show their 'conservative' attempt. I like these three pieces but I think ATTWT more clearly shows Phil's new ideas.
Edited by Rick Robson - August 15 2014 at 08:20
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