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    Posted: June 08 2004 at 17:58

Wishbone Ash?

Album of the Year 1971 (i think) *ARGUS* is def prog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2004 at 18:04
I love that album. My favourite Wishbone Ash song is Time Was.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 05:15
Hopefully somebody here is working on ways to include bands whose catalogue only includes a handful of proggie albums or even tracks (like the earliest Rush albums). Support you on Argus and Pilgrimage, although my favourite, the eponymous Wishbone Ash, is classic rock blues of the early 70's and I won't support inclusion. BTW what do you make of Nouveau Calls ,when there an attempt to cash in on the new age music movement?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 10:49
I wouldn't call Nouveau Calls "New Age." I really enjoyed it, though instrumental music has always been high on my list of favorite listening tastes. I wish I would have kept that one, dual guitars, no shredding, but enjoyable. I would put it on the same level as instrumental Alan Parson Project works. Great stuff to play while reading.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 10:59
If you go to the archives you will see that for example only the John McLaughlin work which fits under the prog category is included. I would say that Argus is prog plus a few other Ash albums. I would like to see Babe Ruth on the site as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 13:45

Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

I wouldn't call Nouveau Calls "New Age." I really enjoyed it, though instrumental music has always been high on my list of favorite listening tastes. I wish I would have kept that one, dual guitars, no shredding, but enjoyable. I would put it on the same level as instrumental Alan Parson Project works. Great stuff to play while reading.

 

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There is good reason for relating in Nouvelle Calls to new age - IRS released it and then issued a (live??) sampler album of their so-called new age acts, including WA. This wasn't the only label to spin off with a new age offshoot - EMI did it (unbelievably Ian Carr got released that way) and I 'm reminded of  Phillips with such a subsidary at that time - that label released John Themis with a couple of good albums in the same area as Gordon Giltrap (although Hubbards Cupboards, a spin-off from Morrisey Mullen Band, did really buck the trend). As somebody who highly rates the first eponymously titled Wishbone Ash album, Nouvelle Calls sounds a lacklustre record.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 14:44

Welcome  NyghtOwl good to have you here!

Agree entirely about Argus, excellent album. Phoenix from the first album was IMO also great prog. The remastered CD of Argus includes a live version of Phoenix as a bonus track.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 14:47
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Welcome  NyghtOwl good to have you here!

Agree entirely about Argus, excellent album. Phoenix from the first album was IMO also great prog. The remastered CD of Argus includes a live version of Phoenix as a bonus track.

 

And also a live version of The Pilgrim which is awesome!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2004 at 15:40

My favourite wishbone Ash song is Persephone.  I go weak when I hear it.

Too bad they didn't play it on the 30th Anniversary DVD. I bought There's the Rub on CD last year just because of that one song.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2004 at 06:01
Thanks for the welcome

lol... the first time I heard anything off Argus was on a really tacky rock video from an all-day concert somewhere or other in Germany (I think). It was chock-full of bands like warlock et al... then came on Wishbone ash at the end. They didn't really belong in the set-list but hey! they were awesome. What really grabbed me was The dual-guitars at end of "Throw down the Sword".
If I remember correctly (I'm sure someone will correct me if this is wrong ) that dual-guitar solo was the fiorst of its kind on vinyl.
Anyways.. Aye, only some albums of some bands are prog... but WA are worthy of inclusion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2004 at 12:54

Originally posted by NyghtOwl NyghtOwl wrote:

Thanks for the welcome

lol... the first time I heard anything off Argus was on a really tacky rock video from an all-day concert somewhere or other in Germany (I think). It was chock-full of bands like warlock et al... then came on Wishbone ash at the end. They didn't really belong in the set-list but hey! they were awesome. What really grabbed me was The dual-guitars at end of "Throw down the Sword".
If I remember correctly (I'm sure someone will correct me if this is wrong ) that dual-guitar solo was the fiorst of its kind on vinyl.
Anyways.. Aye, only some albums of some bands are prog... but WA are worthy of inclusion.

Dual guitars go back a decade before at least in the UK - Nashville Teens (our local band and had the UK hit with Tobacco Road) started out like this. Pink Fairies toured (but I less sure recorded) with two drummers and two guitars - that was the line-up I saw the first time (but not the second). And of course in considering the bluesy rock element of the WA earlier records, similarly Canned Heat (although Al - Blind Owl - Wilson favoured being rhythm most of the time, if not playing some superb harp) Allmans and Derek & Dominoes. Traffic (Stevie Winwood and  Dave Mason) etc...........................

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2004 at 13:02

Really cool band, but i dont know what they are up to atm.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2004 at 15:23
Taking of duel guitars reminds me of "Green grass and high tides" by The Outlaws, which has about a hundred (slight exageration) lead guitarists. Wonderful stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2005 at 22:32

With all the recent new additions of bands with questionable pedigrees,

where is Wishbone Ash?

dead things don't talk too well, they've got a shaky sense of diction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2005 at 09:34
Agreed, Argus is one of the best prog albums ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2005 at 09:55
Argus is prog. Not sure about the rest of WA's albums, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2005 at 17:25

I think the first three albums are all progressive in some way- but 'Argus' is the best and proggiest of their albums. They may not have been the first twin guitar band, but they were one of the finest- 'Time Was', 'Throw Down The Sword' and 'The King Will Come' are ample testimony to that. For some reason though, the remastered/remixed CD seems to have remixed the cover too- there's no UFO on it!

After 'Argus', there's little in their catalogue I like as much- it's all rather undistinguished boogie rock to these ears that lost the complexity of earlier albums. However, in 2002, they made a superb album in 'Bona Fide', which is their best since 'Argus'- 'Come Rain Come Shine' is a very progressive song that's one of the best they've ever written. Only some lesser songs stop this one from coming close to 'Argus', in my opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2005 at 20:01
Surely there should be rules on who i sadded to prog....one track, one album does not make a prog baband.......i once read that 50% of material available should used as a guide. But what if you only made one or two albums. I think at least 75% (with  a minimum of 5 albums) should be allowed before they are allowed anywhere near prog archives
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